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I say this in reference to the term "red flag", probably a term you're well familiar with.
A Black Flag goes beyond a Red Flag in that it essentially has the preacher be considered either blatantly anathema(denying the divinity of Christ for example), or they're probably, actually delusional to some degree and at the very least a "very clear bad tree", if not straight up a cult. For this post I have an example of the latter(not obviously anathema at first glance, but flee immediately.)

I will give one of my own:
They insist on "following the Truth", wherever it may lead, and trusting the Bible over anything we see, hear or experience. Sounds holy right? What's wrong with that?
It's the second half. It always comes coupled with a variant of believing that objective, empirical reality must be a lie or can't be trusted over the teacher's interpretation of Scripture. Remember, this world is God's creation at the end of the day. Observable facts and experiences are true, no matter what. The problem comes when instead of looking inward to see what beliefs or motives inside are wrong, one insists how one truly feels or the bad fruit of actual beliefs don't exist or the bad fruit are even good and "anything that could say otherwise is a lie by default".
In effect, literal glorification of gaslighting yourself. This happens alot with things like trauma, mental illness, and especially doubt on this mindset being anything other than "the clear truth of the Word". In one case, a preacher said that gaslighting doesn't exist, and still promoted this!

The root of this mindset is to believe that God is above objective reality aside from what He says is truth, thus the rest must be misunderstood regardless of "sins of not trusting Him". It insists the spiritual is literally more substantial than the empirical, and logic is man-made construct. It makes a dichotomy of "facts" and "truth", "logic" and "reason". It, in effect, even if the preacher denies such, insists upon itself alone that reality is true until the preacher's interpretation of the Word says it isn't, at which point it becomes false.

This is literal, willful psychosis and is eerily reminiscent of how Hindus or Gnostics see the spiritual vs physical in that regard. It may not be directly stated as the belief but this is the reasoning at its core, every time.

I need to make this blunt and crystal clear when I say this is a spiritual and intellectual tantrum and nothing more. Insisting because they insist harder, shake the house harder with "i was enlightened so clearly by it!", or even *because you resist*, it proves more and more, the more and more of these there is, that they're right. These people are manipulators drunk on their own delusion, who rebel against the very idea of reason in their infinite regress of insisting upon themselves. It is a truly pitiful sight to see these preachers crop up and I pray none of you fall prey to this lion's den of an idea.
 

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A Black Flag goes beyond a Red Flag in that it essentially has the preacher be considered either blatantly anathema(denying the divinity of Christ for example),

Salvation has nothing to do with believing in the Trinity, or not., exactly as it has nothing to do with water baptism, or keeping the sabbath, or trying to imitate Christ, or trying to keep yourself saved.
 

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I say this in reference to the term "red flag", probably a term you're well familiar with.
A Black Flag goes beyond a Red Flag in that it essentially has the preacher be considered either blatantly anathema(denying the divinity of Christ for example), or they're probably, actually delusional to some degree and at the very least a "very clear bad tree", if not straight up a cult. For this post I have an example of the latter(not obviously anathema at first glance, but flee immediately.)

I will give one of my own:
They insist on "following the Truth", wherever it may lead, and trusting the Bible over anything we see, hear or experience. Sounds holy right? What's wrong with that?
It's the second half. It always comes coupled with a variant of believing that objective, empirical reality must be a lie or can't be trusted over the teacher's interpretation of Scripture. Remember, this world is God's creation at the end of the day. Observable facts and experiences are true, no matter what. The problem comes when instead of looking inward to see what beliefs or motives inside are wrong, one insists how one truly feels or the bad fruit of actual beliefs don't exist or the bad fruit are even good and "anything that could say otherwise is a lie by default".
In effect, literal glorification of gaslighting yourself. This happens alot with things like trauma, mental illness, and especially doubt on this mindset being anything other than "the clear truth of the Word". In one case, a preacher said that gaslighting doesn't exist, and still promoted this!

The root of this mindset is to believe that God is above objective reality aside from what He says is truth, thus the rest must be misunderstood regardless of "sins of not trusting Him". It insists the spiritual is literally more substantial than the empirical, and logic is man-made construct. It makes a dichotomy of "facts" and "truth", "logic" and "reason". It, in effect, even if the preacher denies such, insists upon itself alone that reality is true until the preacher's interpretation of the Word says it isn't, at which point it becomes false.

This is literal, willful psychosis and is eerily reminiscent of how Hindus or Gnostics see the spiritual vs physical in that regard. It may not be directly stated as the belief but this is the reasoning at its core, every time.

I need to make this blunt and crystal clear when I say this is a spiritual and intellectual tantrum and nothing more. Insisting because they insist harder, shake the house harder with "i was enlightened so clearly by it!", or even *because you resist*, it proves more and more, the more and more of these there is, that they're right. These people are manipulators drunk on their own delusion, who rebel against the very idea of reason in their infinite regress of insisting upon themselves. It is a truly pitiful sight to see these preachers crop up and I pray none of you fall prey to this lion's den of an idea.

Hey Jabre, I just wanted to see what this looked like condensed down.

Spiritual Black Flags While “red flags” warn of concerning behavior, “black flags” signal deeper danger—like a preacher being delusional, manipulative, or even cult-like. One example is a teacher who claims to follow “the Truth” but elevates their interpretation of Scripture above reality itself.

This mindset often denies objective facts, suppresses emotional or mental struggles, and insists empirical reality is false unless approved by their spiritual lens. It creates a false divide between “facts” and “truth,” dismissing logic as inferior to spiritual insight.

Such teachings may look holy on the surface but encourage self-gaslighting, reject introspection, and foster intellectual and emotional denial. The louder they insist they’re right—especially in the face of doubt—the more dangerous and disconnected they become.

⚠️ The warning: steer clear of preachers who disconnect faith from reason and empirical truth. It’s not spiritual boldness—it’s a dangerous manipulation.
 
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Salvation has nothing to do with believing in the Trinity, or not., exactly as it has nothing to do with water baptism, or keeping the sabbath, or trying to imitate Christ, or trying to keep yourself saved.
Hi Behold,
Would you say that believing in the Divinity of Christ is needed to reach salvation (saving grace)?
 
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I pray none of you fall prey to this lion's den of an idea.

Jabre,

I'm not here to say you are wrong, I am here to share with you because I love to be generous with His gifts!

Your heart is right! You desire truth! And the warning you issue demonstrates this. I have tossed babies with bath water and I would not judge you for skepticism.

I have had quite the trauma, been accused of mental illness, and at one point doubted everything but the existence of love and tomorrow's sunrise.

But this is what I discovered and this is what I can attest to by the joy that overflows from within me! You do need to follow the Truth! But He speaks from within as the conscience. The "reticular activating system" as it's called.

You cannot observe a fact, it is information of an event, not the event itself. Truth, on the other hand, is deeper, greater, eternal, and self-evident. A fact is just a truth pared down to a very narrow perspective. Experiences are true to you, but those can be manipulated by the facts you take to be truth.

Only when you pursue His fullest definition will you find the meaning of these things. The spiritual is indeed more substantial than the empirical! Our existence as we know it is but a shadow of true Reality!

Logic and reason are the faculties by which we may ascertain truth. Truth is always congruent, coherent, sensible, intelligent, wise, in alignment, rational, and so consistent as to harness ideas with a mathematical precision. But words are the tools of logic and reason and the means by which we abstract and relate and connect. Without these tools, we cannot perceive what the Master would tell us.

This is the willful psychosis; the belief that God is not in complete control.
 
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I say this in reference to the term "red flag", probably a term you're well familiar with.
A Black Flag goes beyond a Red Flag in that it essentially has the preacher be considered either blatantly anathema(denying the divinity of Christ for example), or they're probably, actually delusional to some degree and at the very least a "very clear bad tree", if not straight up a cult. For this post I have an example of the latter(not obviously anathema at first glance, but flee immediately.)

I will give one of my own:
They insist on "following the Truth", wherever it may lead, and trusting the Bible over anything we see, hear or experience. Sounds holy right? What's wrong with that?
It's the second half. It always comes coupled with a variant of believing that objective, empirical reality must be a lie or can't be trusted over the teacher's interpretation of Scripture. Remember, this world is God's creation at the end of the day. Observable facts and experiences are true, no matter what. The problem comes when instead of looking inward to see what beliefs or motives inside are wrong, one insists how one truly feels or the bad fruit of actual beliefs don't exist or the bad fruit are even good and "anything that could say otherwise is a lie by default".
In effect, literal glorification of gaslighting yourself. This happens alot with things like trauma, mental illness, and especially doubt on this mindset being anything other than "the clear truth of the Word". In one case, a preacher said that gaslighting doesn't exist, and still promoted this!

The root of this mindset is to believe that God is above objective reality aside from what He says is truth, thus the rest must be misunderstood regardless of "sins of not trusting Him". It insists the spiritual is literally more substantial than the empirical, and logic is man-made construct. It makes a dichotomy of "facts" and "truth", "logic" and "reason". It, in effect, even if the preacher denies such, insists upon itself alone that reality is true until the preacher's interpretation of the Word says it isn't, at which point it becomes false.

This is literal, willful psychosis and is eerily reminiscent of how Hindus or Gnostics see the spiritual vs physical in that regard. It may not be directly stated as the belief but this is the reasoning at its core, every time.

I need to make this blunt and crystal clear when I say this is a spiritual and intellectual tantrum and nothing more. Insisting because they insist harder, shake the house harder with "i was enlightened so clearly by it!", or even *because you resist*, it proves more and more, the more and more of these there is, that they're right. These people are manipulators drunk on their own delusion, who rebel against the very idea of reason in their infinite regress of insisting upon themselves. It is a truly pitiful sight to see these preachers crop up and I pray none of you fall prey to this lion's den of an idea.

I wouldn't give blanket agreement to "Observable facts and experiences are true, no matter what."

Suppose someone were to focus on Jesus being born in Bethlehem based on Micah 5:2 and disregarded all other prophecies about his origins. Then they learned Jesus grew up in Egypt. They might then think there a contradiction with reality and reject him due to their ignorance.

This person
1. Did not know the scriptures well enough
2. They made assumptions.
3. They added to scripture with their interpretation.
 

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Hi Behold,
Would you say that believing in the Divinity of Christ is needed to reach salvation (saving grace)?

No, its not required.

Consider that the Doctrine of the Trinity, was created long after Jesus's Cross had birthed Christianity.

If you meet someone who says....."well, you have to believe lin the Trinity to be saved" then you've met someone whose Cult has taught them that false theology.
 
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