WATCH!

[David in NJ]

What ever your deep and secret meaning is....do you think that will be what the end of the tribulation looks like?
If so, how....describe it.

i do not have a "secret" meaning.

Remember when Jesus would speak a parable and then He would tell His disciples the meaning.

Same thing going on here with "as in the days of Noah"

We are in Tribulation now = Matthew chapter 24

It will only get worse each day as we approach:
a.) the revealing of the "Man of Sin"
b.) the Mark of the Beast
c.) Revelation chapter 7

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

This is near the end of the trib and the enemy are happy and celebrating.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Same timeframe.

YEPPER = "They shall say"

34Wait on the Lord,
And keep His way,
And He shall exalt you to inherit the land;
When the wicked are cut off, you shall see it.
35I have seen the wicked in great power,
And spreading himself like a native green tree.
36Yet he passed away, and behold, he was no more;
Indeed I sought him, but he could not be found.

 

[Davy]

This covenant with many is the United Nations 7-year Accelerated SDG Covenant. Sustainable Development Goal.

Thing is per prophecy of the Daniel 9:27 verse about that confirming of a covenant, it is not done by a world body like the U.N., but the Antichrist that is to appear in Jerusalem at the end of this world.

 

[Davy]

That is no way implies that the Church will be in heaven before the 7 years begins.

There are no scriptures that say that the Church will be in heaven before the 7 years begins.

Nor is there any Bible Scripture that says the Church will be raptured by Lord Jesus prior to the "great tribulation." Instead, Scripture exists that says just the opposite, that Jesus comes to gather His Church AFTER... the tribulation (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27).

 

[Davy]

Many, like myself, believe that the 70th Week of Dan 9 was fulfilled in the time of Jesus' earthly ministry. I personally believe the 70th Week was fulfilled as a Half-Week, and not a full week. Jesus ministered for 3.5 years and was "cut off." Then, in that generation, the Temple and Jerusalem were destroyed. Nothing remains to be fulfilled of the 70 Weeks of Dan 9.

This is popular prophecy in America--Dispensationalism. We have all of these books and all of these movies, etc. They stir people up with the idea the Rapture of the Church can take place "at any moment." Nothing in the Scriptures indicate that Jesus can return "at any moment," or "on any day." Rather, Jesus' Return is simply portrayed as being "near" because he has already provided atonement for sin, ie for Salvation, meaning that Eternal Judgment remains as the alternative. And our time may be up on any day because on any day our soul may be required of us.

"Watching" for Jesus meant being aware of deceptions that lead us off the path of Eternal Life. We need to be aware of False Christs who proclaim God's Kingdom is already here in some cultic group. We need to watch out for false gospels, etc, that would lead us away from the righteousness that we have by faith in Christ.

We are not "watching" for an "any-moment Rapture of the Church." Nothing of the sort is taught in the Scriptures.

By contrast, Paul in 2 Thes 2 teaches that before Christ can return for the Church the Antichrist must appear first. And then Christ will return to destroy him. That is when Christ will return--when it is time to destroy and defeat the Antichrist.

Jesus was 'cut off' at the end of the 69th week, not the 70th, nor during the first half of the 70th week. All the prophecy given in Daniel 9:24 is completed with the fulfillment of the 70th week. And it's obvious for today's Jerusalem and Daniel's people (the Jews) that has NOT... happened yet. So really, understanding the 70th week is still future for the end of this world is EASY, and has NOTHING TO DO WITH DISPENSATIONALISM. You've simply been falsely taught to throw out the idea of Darby's Dispensationalism in a vain attempt to prove doctrine error by association.

 

[Davy]

Jesus meant that for unbelievers that are not watching for Him.

Jesus represented HIS coming... as that thief that comes in the night...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV

 

[Davy]

I'm failing to see your point.

You do know Jesus comes twice?

Jesus came once already, to die on the cross at His 1st coming. There is only ONE more coming left, and it will be AFTER the great tribulation, as written. Zechariah 9:9-10 only prophesied of 2 comings by Messiah. The 2nd one is still expecting and is when He comes to take reign over all nations and peoples on earth at the sounding of the 7th Trumpet.

 

[Davy]

You just laid out the pre 7yr trib rapture.
* Falling away
* Ac revealed pretrib...not in power yet.
* But first the restrained is removed.
* Which is The rapture of the church pre 7yr
trib.

Thanks for those passages.

The restrainer of 2 Thess.2:5-6 is NOT The Holy Spirit. It is Archangel Michael, which is who Satan will war with in Heaven that will cause him to be cast down to this earth with his angels for the tribulation (Rev.12:7 forward).

Men's false Pre-trib Rapture theory tries to make the one who restrains of 2 Thess.2 as The Holy Spirit with falsely teaching it means The Holy Spirit leaves this earth, thus the Church must be raptured too they say. What a totally ignorant doctrine of men ADDED to the Word of God!

 

[Davy]

Please produce one scripture that shows that the Church is in heaven before the 7 years begin.

The Church is in heaven before the great tribulation and not before the 7 years begin.

The Church is NOT in heaven prior to the "great tribulation" either, so you both are wrong and do not align with the Bible Scripture.

 

[Davy]

What covenant had Daniel referred his people violating in his prayer in Daniel 9:4 and Daniel 9:11 ? The Mt Sinai covenant, right ?

That is "the" covenant in Daniel 9:27. Not "a" covenant.

The meaning of the Dan.9:27 'confirming' of a covenant is shown in Daniel 11 with what the "vile person" does at the end of this world.

Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV

The word "confirm" is the word gabar...

OT:1396
gabar (gaw-bar'); a primitive root; to be strong; by implication, to prevail, act insolently:
KJV - exceed, confirm, be great, be mighty, prevail, put to more [strength], strengthen, be stronger, be valiant.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

These below Daniel 11 verses about the "vile person" suggest the idea of the confirming of a covenant is about reestablishing the 'old covenant' with sacrifices and a new Jerusalem temple. He will at some point be against that "holy covenant", and end the daily sacrifices and worship, and instead exalt himself as God.

Dan 11:28
28 Then shall he return into his land with great riches; and his heart shall be against the holy covenant; and he shall do exploits, and return to his own land.
KJV

Dan 11:30
30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him: therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant: so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.
KJV

Dan 11:31-32
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
KJV

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus represented HIS coming... as that thief that comes in the night...

Rev 16:15
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
KJV

Yes, so WATCH. The born again believers keep watching and know the signs of His coming. To them it will not be as a thief. Unbelievers will be taken by surprise and judged.