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  1. Keraz

    Keraz Well-Known Member

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    Russia and America have nothing to do with Psalms 83.
    It clearly prophesies Middle East nations. Paralleled by Jeremiah 12:14
     
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    I was asking YOUR belief.

    "They who" ?
    ...OT saints?, NT saints?, the unGodly? The unConverted ?

    "They what" ? Bodies? Saved souls? Quickened spirits?

    1 Thes 5
    [9] For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    I think most believe; saved souls and quickened spirits go to heaven and bodies return to dust; regardless of any "title" the individual was called.

    I believe many men, Jews and Gentiles will experience "portions" or "all" of the GT.

    It depends on WHAT the Individual has accepted...and WHEN.

    Disagree on that point.

    Conversion, is AN OFFERING / ORDER / WAY God has established for men to CHOOSE to BECOME "CHANGED"...BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT;
    According to GODS "ACCEPTANCE".

    Most men it appears, "DO NOT" consider the WHOLE of a man....BODY, SOUL, SPIRIT...
    When "CHANGE" IS EFFECTED for the Individual.

    Where does Scripture speak of "the holy Land"?

    What are "Faithful" people ?
    Bodies, Souls, Spirits of men?

    Who is "our" ?

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    I just posted this on another forum, but it is applicable here too.

    "We", in OUR generation are so egocentric that we dismiss the 70 AD generation, every other of the 50 or so, generations in between, and any future time still to come, to dogmatically declare it is THIS specific and precise time in history (the year 2019) Jesus was speaking of.

    We also forget that we said this same thing in the 1900's, and we refuse to believe we (or our children or grandchildren) will be saying this same thing when the next century rolls over.
     
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    I'm a guy. -- Yeah, I believe that GOD called men to LEAD, and I ain't afraid to "poke a bear", any bear, as many times as it takes to get his attention, -- but not to pick a fight --, simply to explain what GOD has for each of us in our own giftings. :)

    Take good care,
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Yeah, an EMP doesn't cause tectonic plate shifting, and we don't call them "poles". They prefer being called "Polish".

    Nuclear weapons?

    Bobby Jo
     
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    Because Pre-trib Rapture school often wrongly teaches that the marriage has already taken place at the first part of the Rev.19 Chapter, wrongly assuming mention there of that marriage supper is about the Church having been raptured to Heaven prior to the trib, and then with Jesus on a white horse coming with His army after the trib.

    But in reality, the Rev.19:1-9 verses are a FUTURE VIEW of after... Christ's return, and that is when the marriage supper will take place, in His Kingdom established over the whole earth.

    Rev 19:1-9
    19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
    2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.


    That is a future forward view, after Jesus' return to conquer all nations. When He returns, the heavenly is going to be revealed here on earth, this is what Zechariah 14, Revelation 20, Isaiah 25, Ezekiel 47 and Revelation 22 shows. This is the same timing of Revelation 14:1 with the 144,000 standing on Mount Zion with Jesus. At that time, God had already judged the great endtime whore Babylon, so the trib is over.


    3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
    4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God That sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
    5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and ye that fear Him, both small and great.
    6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
    7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to Him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and His wife hath made herself ready.
    8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
    9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
    KJV


    That timing is all FUTURE FORWARD into Christ's Millennial Kingdom of the world to come. It is not... a timing prior to the great tribulation. Anyone with any sense at all can tell just by the first two verses the timing of that is for after the trib.

    That means one cannot... assign those Rev.19:1-9 verses to a pre-trib rapture.
     
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    1900's? Funny that some should be so blind/ignorant/ill-advised/etc. as to dismiss what Scripture provides and History defends.

    I call them "christains" (small "c") but that's generous. I actually think they're more in the Judas mindset.

    2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”


    Bobby Jo
     
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    Yet again you are all out of whack, as you often are trying to DICTATE what Pre-Trib believers Believe.

    Why do you think yourself Qualified to Falsely Speak on behalf of what others Believe; when you are LACK KNOWLEDGE of WHAT others ACTUALLY DO Believe?

    The MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN the Groom and Bride.
    The Groom is JESUS.
    The BRIDE is Jesus' CHURCH.

    Familiarize yourself with a JEWISH WEDDING, Because the MARRIAGE of Jesus and His Bride follow the SAME Protocol.

    IN BRIEF...

    The BRIDE, is selected...
    ...The BRIDE of Christ, is Converted, thus selected.

    The GROOM, PAYS the Dowery...
    ...The GROOM Jesus, PAID with HIS BLOOD.

    The BRIDE knows the GROOM will come for her....but does not know the EXACT Time.

    The BRIDE makes herself READY for WHENEVER the GROOM appears to TAKE her.

    The Converted IN Christ, knows her GROOM (JESUS) will come for her, but not the date.

    She is Prepared and Waiting.

    The RAPTURE is the DAY the GROOM comes for His BRIDE, and Takes her unto Him.

    The BRIDE Hears the VOICE of her Groom and GOES UNTO Him.

    Where the Groom IS, IS IN THE CLOUDS.
    Where the BRIDE GOES, IS TO THE CLOUDS.

    It is IN the CLOUDS the Wedding Ceremony SHALL TAKE PLACE.

    The OT Saints, ARE INVITED GUESTS, to WITNESS the MARRIAGE.

    Yes Rev 19 is speaking of a FUTURE EVENT...
    No one is saying the Groom (Jesus) and His Church (the Converted in Christ)....have BECOME MARRIED!

    No, the MARRIAGE of Jesus Christ and His Church does not occur ON EARTH, or AFTER Jesus RETURNS to EARTH.

    Rev 19:1-9
    19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
    2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of His servants at her hand.




    That says no such thing.
    It says NOTHING about Jesus' Return.
    It speaks of Judgement, and Avenging.

    EVERY Seals, Trumps, Vials...are Judgements...
    NOT Jesus' RETURN...
    ALL the Judgements...Seals, Trumps, Vials, ARE NOT WHILE the Lord is ON THE EARTH!
    All the Judgements...Seals, Trumps, Vials...
    COME DOWN UPON the Earth from ABOVE, where the Lord IS.
    And ALSO the AVENGING, is Gods CUP poured out specifically ON THE PEOPLE who caused torment to Believers. It is the Believers who are being AVENGED, for being tormented by Unbelievers!
    Remember GOD SAID "Vengeance IS HIS" to dole out.



    When the Lord DESCENDS TO THE CLOUDS, has nothing to DO WITH ... WHEN the Son of Man RETURNS to Earth.

    No, what it means is, YOU MAKE UP WHAT "YOU THINK" an other believes, and then TRY to prove WHAT YOU MADE UP, is wrong.

    Instead of Making up FALSE BELIEFS....why not LISTEN to what others ARE ACTUALLY CLAIMING, and Address that point?

    Glory to God,
    Taken
     
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    Correct, -- and Psalms 83 has already been fulfilled, in 1983 (Book 19, Chapter 83 = 1983*).

    1982 Lebanon War - Wikipedia
    Date: 6 June 1982 – June 1985
    (main phase June–September 1982)
    Location: Southern Lebanon
    Result" Israeli tactical victories but overall strategic failure.[4][5][6][7]
    Syrian political advantage[8]


    * J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms"

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    In no way did the 1983 Lebanon war fulfil Psalms 83. That was entirely done in their own strength, whereas at the future fulfilment of that prophecy and the many other prophesies about the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, it will be the Lord who destroys the attackers of Israel.
     
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    ... and Psalms 44 (for 1944) doesn't describe the Holocaust (ref. verses 11 & 22); Psalms 48 (for 1948) doesn't depict the International Recognition of the State of Israel; Psalms 91(for 1991) doesn't describe Desert Storm; Psalms 109 (for 2009) doesn't describe Obama; and Psalms 118 (for 2018) doesn't have any significance being exactly 70 years after Israel became a State.

    And there is no GOD, and Jesus was just a man ...
    Bobby Jo
     
  12. n2thelight

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    If you understood who Israel truly was you would understand.

    Ezekiel 36:1 "Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord:"

    The "mountains of Israel", are the nations of Israel. This prophecy is directed to the Christian nations of today, and not Judah. Yet, most of the people of these nations don't even know who they are. Though Hosea 1:10 details Israel in the end times, most Christians simply chose not to believe God's word, but to follow their vain traditions.

    psalms83

    Chapters 38 and 39 will take us through the time of the final battles of this earth age, and on into the Millennium age temple. These chapters will pinpoint the nations and the peoples that will take part in the final two battles, and the locations that these battles will be fought. It will describe both the battle of Hamon Gog, and the battle of Armageddon. We will see that these two battles will be fought at the same time, in different locations.

    We will document that the battle of Hamon Gog will be a conflict between the United States, and Russia with her allied nations. We will see what God's Word says about out come of the battle, and you may not believe it now, however, keep God's Word in mind as we observe the current events leading us and the world towards the end of this earth age.

    What might seem strange and impossible, is possible, as current events will draw the entire Russian Army, along with many other nations, north to a valley in Alaska. This valley will not be inhabited, and at the end of the battle, not one of God's people will be harmed by that battle. Not one city will be harmed, and Russia will be stopped at our border, and at God's appointed time it will all come to pass.

    ezekiel38

    Ezekiel 38:1 "And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,"

    God is letting us know that this prophecy is directly from Him.

    Ezekiel 38:2 "Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him"

    We are directed to set our face, or minds and attitudes against "Gog, Magog and Tubal". These people are the Russian people; however, it seems today that it is popular to buy, sell and trade with the very people God has warned us against. The "Land of Magog" in the Hebrew manuscript, is "Rosh", which is the "Chief Prince. It is from the Hebrew "Rosh" that we derive "Russia" in the English; that we see in Smith's Bible dictionary, and also Strong's Hebrew dictionary, #7218.

    In Genesis 4:22; "And Zillah, she also bare Tubal-cain, and instructor of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah." The people of Tubal are the offspring of Cain, which the Bible calls "Kenites". Tubal is the physical offspring of Satan through the sexual union between Eve and Satan in the Garden of Eden. This is also the race of people that is in control of the United Nations, and is moving the nations of the world under their One World System. The "Kenites" are a hidden people, for they conduct all of their activity is secrecy and deception. Their treaties are broken, because the intent of their agreements are to fulfill their agenda of world domination.

    Ezekiel 38:3 "And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

    Not only does God tell us to set our minds [face] against Russia, and the Kenites, but He says; "I am against thee". We know that there are thousands of people being saved in Russia today, as God is drawing out His own before the Antichrist arrives on earth, however, it is the system that God is against. That Godless system of Communism is not dead, and the only reason it seems dead, is the fact that the rest of the world has swung so far to the left. The two systems appear to be similar and equal. Their system is the same system that killed millions of Christians in their takeover in 1917 and later to current times.

    Ezekiel 38:4 "And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thime army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:"

    There will be no army that fights and defeats them, but our Heavenly Father said; "I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws..." It is God that will round up their army, and lead them right into their utter defeat. Now let's look at the nations that will side with Russia in this army of the latter days.

    Ezekiel 38:5 "Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet;"

    Ezekiel 38:6 "Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands; and many people with thee."

    This is a new forming of friendships between old Communistic neighboring nations. This also draws up the sides of the battle of the "end times". We know there will be no army to go against them on the face of the earth. The Kenites at the control of the United Nations, and also our nation, will have disarmed us and dismantled our armed forces into a small police force. This is being done in massive scale today, as the Kenites are preparing, America and the rest of the Christian World, for for the acceptance of their father Satan, the Antichrist.

    After we have disarmed ourselves for the preparation of the "New World Order", the entire world will be asleep in a false sense of security, and no nation will be in a position to block this massive army that the Russian and their allies have built. The Kenites are involved through their control of the world wide system, and it's agencies.

    God will allow the Christians to sleep, and be deceived into believing all of the "Kenites" [Tubal's] lies and deceptions.

    Ezekiel 38:7 "Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them."

    This is a message from God to Russia and all the nations and peoples that support her. "Be thou prepared", get ready, for it is God that will teach them a lesson that will never be forgotten.

    Ezekiel 38:8 "After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them."

    the United States paid seven million dollars for the land that these mighty armies of Russia and her allies will be killed. I'm talking about Seward's Folly, and the purchase of Alaska for the United States. We are the House of Israel mentioned here, and the "mountains" are the nations and peoples of today which are the offspring from that old "House of Israel". We are referring to the Christian nations of today.
     
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    What rubbish! Making dates relate to the Psalms, is a very weird and wrong theory.
    Wow, my post is #153! Maybe it relates to the fish that Jesus helped the disciples catch. John 21:11
    There is the actual Land of Israel and the people of the Israel of God.
    The Land is all that area given to Abraham, Genesis 15:18 and the people are every faithful Christian. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:16

    You are very wrong about the G/M attack. As Ezekiel 38 tells us, it is an attack for loot and spoil, that will happen when all the Lord's holy people are settled into all of the holy Land, living in peace and prosperity.

    Alaska as the venue? You are very lonely on that one!
     
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    Psalms 44
    11 Thou hast made us like sheep for slaughter,
    and hast scattered us among the nations.
    22 Nay, for thy sake we are slain all the day long,
    and accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

    ... sounds familiarly similar to the HOLOCAUST ...


    Psalms 48
    4 For lo, the kings assembled,
    they came on together.
    5 As soon as they saw it, they were astounded,
    they were in panic, they took to flight;
    6 trembling took hold of them there,
    anguish as of a woman in travail.
    7 By the east wind thou didst shatter
    the ships of Tarshish.
    8 As we have heard, so have we seen
    in the city of the Lord of hosts,
    in the city of our God,
    which God establishes for ever.Selah

    12 Walk about Zion, go round about her,
    number her towers,
    13 consider well her ramparts,
    go through her citadels;
    that you may tell the next generation

    ... sounds like the International Recognition of the State of Israel ...

    Psalms 91
    4 he will cover you with his pinions,
    and under his wings you will find refuge;
    his faithfulness is a shield and buckler.
    5 You will not fear the terror of the night,
    nor the arrow [Scud Missiles] that flies by day,

    6 nor the pestilence that stalks in darkness,
    nor the destruction that wastes at noonday. [chemical/biological Scud Missiles]

    7 A thousand may fall at your side,
    ten thousand at your right hand;
    but it will not come near you.
    8 You will only look with your eyes
    and see the recompense of the wicked.

    ... sounds like Desert Storm ...

    Psalms 109
    4 In return for my love they accuse me,
    even as I make prayer for them.
    5 So they reward me evil for good,
    and hatred for my love.
    6 Appoint a wicked man against him;
    let an accuser bring him to trial.
    7 When he is tried, let him come forth guilty;
    let his prayer be counted as sin!
    8 May his days be few;
    may another seize his goods!
    9 May his children be fatherless,
    and his wife a widow!
    10 May his children wander about and beg;
    may they be driven out of the ruins they inhabit!
    11 May the creditor seize all that he has;
    may strangers plunder the fruits of his toil!
    12 Let there be none to extend kindness to him,
    nor any to pity his fatherless children!
    13 May his posterity be cut off;
    may his name be blotted out in the second generation!
    14 May the iniquity of his fathers be remembered before the Lord,
    and let not the sin of his mother be blotted out!
    15 Let them be before the Lord continually;
    and may his memory be cut off from the earth!
    16 For he did not remember to show kindness,
    but pursued the poor and needy
    and the brokenhearted to their death.
    17 He loved to curse; let curses come on him!
    He did not like blessing; may it be far from him!
    18 He clothed himself with cursing as his coat,
    may it soak into his body like water,
    like oil into his bones!
    19 May it be like a garment which he wraps round him,
    like a belt with which he daily girds himself!

    ... sounds like the relationship between Obama and Israel ...

    ... and the more you know about the modern history of Israel, the more the depictions in those Chapters align with the events of those years!


    Source of this premise is: J.R. Church, "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms", Prophecy Publications; 1st edition (August 25, 1986)


    But it may be difficult to see with your head in the sand ...
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Okay.Will just leave you with this.Who sold Alaska to America?
     
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    quote n2thelight:
    What might seem strange and impossible, is possible, as current events will draw the entire Russian Army, along with many other nations, north to a valley in Alaska.
    Who sold the Louisiana Territory to America? Who previously owned parts of California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas? And how about our previously disputed border with CANADA?

    Oh noooooo. The U.S. will be attacked simultaneously by Russia, Mexico, France, and CANADA.


    Who makes these things up?!?
    Bobby Jo
     
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    Absolutely nothing to do with Bible prophecy.

    The USA and all the world will be badly affected by the Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:8, +
    We will lose our modern infrastructure, causing massive loss of life. The Military will be virtually destroyed. Hosea 2:18, Jeremiah 50:22-27 - the hammer of the world.....The worlds policeman; the USA...is shattered.
     
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    When Christ returns He shall destroy those coming against America.Because of God we are the most blessed nation in the history of mankind period!

    Ezekiel 36:1 "Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord:"

    The "mountains of Israel", are the nations of Israel. This prophecy is directed to the Christian nations of today, and not Judah. Yet, most of the people of these nations don't even know who they are. Though Hosea 1:10 details Israel in the end times, most Christians simply chose not to believe God's word, but to follow their vain traditions.
     
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    Until you learn who Israel is you won't get it,only Judah returned to form that nation state...

    Study Jacob and Esau

    Genesis 25:23 "And the Lord said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger."

    These twins are two different manner of people, and will grow into the two bodies of population that will ultimately rule the world. They fought in the womb, and they fought as children. Their tribes never could get along as the grew into nations, and even today, the Russian and Christian nations still have opposite polarity to each other.

    The younger of the twins would be Jacob, and the elder is Esau, who was also called "Edom", also referred to as Rosh in the Hebrew, from which in English we get "Russia" [Rosh-people]. Jacob's name will be changed by God to "Israel", and through his twelve sons, will grow into a multitude of nations.

    Within the womb of Rebekah you have the two super powers of the end generation, that we are now in. The Christian and Jewish nations of peoples on one side, and the children of Esau, or Russian people on the other. This is all part of God's plan, and stated within the promises of the covenant that God gave to Abraham.

    God's hatred toward toward Esau was great, and is stated in both Malachi 1:3, and Romans 9:13; "...Jacob I loved, and Esau I hated". God does not had the innocent child, however, he does hate that sin that was committed prior to this earth age, in the "age that was". And the hatred toward Esau was from the sin committed in that time prior to his entering the womb. The Russian Christians have suffered a lot by their people, and the Kenites that live and rule amongst them, and God has a deep love for them. So much so that He gave His only Begotten Son so they might have eternal life.

    As we enter into the final times of this so called peace of the "New World Order", Russia will turn again against the Christian nations [Jacob], and that is how we close out this current generation, and earth age of the flesh. Russia is like a jackal, and can't be trusted, and those who trust her in any form are fools.
     
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    REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY. -- A Fraud, a Lie, a Deception.

    I think these people should write their own Bible. They could name names, create scenarios, and arrive at outcomes -- all pulled from their "imaginations", -- or other places.


    Bobby Jo
     
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