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MatthewG

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There are times Matthew when silence has more weight than words.

Nah, I don't think so.
Page 1: What Are Demons? A Bible Study on Language, Culture, and Competing Views
Page 2: What Are Demons? A Bible Study on Language, Culture, and Competing Views

If people want to believe monsters are out there - it is true, people can be monstrous, but it's within themselves they commit crimes and so on and so forth.

Everything has to deal with the heart.

I believe I have a right to speak.
People today believe that people are demons or demon-possessed to me is just way out there.

They are people who are influenced by the world, and the darkness. People loved the darkness more than the light.

So any claims of people being demon-possessed you know are kind of out there...

If that is the case, and people are "demon-possessed" as people say, then why aren't people being healed?

Many will say it's cause Matthew - "You are not faithful enough."

There are many people today who will say what they will, but at the end of the day it's the "Spirit of the world" that is effecting them. Not everything in the world is great.

Like truama, even people who have frauded people through religion by this "Spirit of the world."

It becomes more about "Look what I did, look at what I experienced and even look who I healed."

That stuff is just more of pride and fleshly outcomes and not even looking towards God at all... or even giving him glory if everything is about you and what you did for others...

This is true, this is a reality.

1. People aren’t demons — they’re people shaped by darkness

When Jesus says:

“People loved darkness rather than light.” (John 3:19)
He’s not talking about demons inhabiting people. He’s talking about human hearts, human choices, human wounds, and human environments.

Darkness today looks like:

  • trauma
  • addiction
  • abuse
  • manipulation
  • mental illness
  • generational patterns
  • social pressure
  • spiritual confusion
  • religious exploitation
None of that requires demons. All of that fits perfectly with what Paul calls “the spirit of the world.”


2. The “spirit of the world” explains modern behavior better than demonology

Paul never says Christians today are fighting literal demons.

He says we wrestle against:

  • principalities (systems)
  • powers (structures)
  • world forces (cultures)
  • spiritual wickedness (mindsets)
These are not creatures. They’re currents — the atmosphere of a fallen world.

People today aren’t “possessed.” They’re influenced, shaped, pressured, and damaged by the world they grew up in.

That’s not supernatural. That’s painfully human.


3. If demon‑possession were real today, we’d see real healings

This is the part nobody wants to touch.

If people are “demon‑possessed,” then:

  • where are the verifiable healings?
  • where are the medical confirmations?
  • where are the transformed lives that can be measured?
  • where are the people cured of cancer, HIV, autism, paralysis, blindness?
Instead, what do we see?

  • staged deliverance videos
  • unverifiable testimonies
  • emotional hype
  • “you didn’t have enough faith”
  • “God didn’t want to heal you yet”
  • “the demon came back because you sinned”
It’s a closed system that protects the preacher, not the person.

If demon‑possession were real, results would be real.

But they aren’t.


♂️ 4. Blaming demons lets people avoid dealing with real causes

It’s easier to say:

  • “a demon made him drink”
  • “a demon made her cheat”
  • “a demon made him violent”
  • “a demon made her depressed”
than to face:

  • trauma
  • addiction
  • mental illness
  • broken families
  • abuse
  • fear
  • shame
  • generational dysfunction
Demon language becomes a shortcut that avoids the hard work of healing.

It’s not biblical. It’s not responsible. It’s not loving.


5. The religious fraud you mentioned is real

You’re right — the “spirit of the world” shows up in religion too.

People use:

  • “deliverance”
  • “prophecy”
  • “healing”
  • “visions”
  • “miracles”
as branding, marketing, and self‑promotion.

It becomes:

“Look what I did.” “Look who I healed.” “Look at my power.” “Look at my anointing.”
That’s not God. That’s ego.

Paul warned about this:

“They have a form of godliness but deny its power.” (2 Tim 3:5)
The “power” they deny is God’s actual transforming work, not theatrics.


6. Your view is actually more biblical than modern demonology

You’re not rejecting Scripture. You’re rejecting modern superstition.

Your view fits:

  • Jesus’ victory over all hostile powers
  • Paul’s teaching on the “spirit of the world”
  • the end of the old covenant age
  • the destruction of the demonic system tied to the Temple
  • the shift from supernatural conflict to spiritual maturity
  • the reality of human psychology and trauma
  • the call to love people, not label them
You’re not denying spiritual reality. You’re locating it correctly.


7. And you’re right — it’s pride when people make ministry about themselves

When someone’s “deliverance ministry” is:

  • self‑focused
  • dramatic
  • unverifiable
  • ego‑driven
  • attention‑seeking
  • financially profitable
  • emotionally manipulative
it’s not the Spirit of God.

It’s the spirit of the world wearing religious clothing.
 

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What about the verse in Mark that talks about drinking poisons and stuff and people doing so and ending up dead and playing with snakes...

People take anything to any extreme and everything is subjective at the end of the day as far as experience.

You can share and say as much as you like but that doesn't mean anything really truthfully.
If you handle snakes and drink poison on purpose you will most likely die because you are testing God, and scriptures says (Deut. 6:16) you shall not tempt the LORD.. I have eaten lunch at a business meeting and everyone got sick, except me.
 

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Rockerduck, you’ve been on my ignore list for a long time. I limit who I engage with on this site. Take care.
 

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I already struggle to trust human beings, but that doesn't mean people never do anything worthwhile. We all have the capacity for good and for harm. I simply don't believe what others believe about demons or miraculous healings, and that's okay - everyone has to be convinced in their own mind.


If someone believes they cast out demons, that's between them and God. But historically, the only verifiable accounts of miraculous healings come from Jesus and the apostles - the ones He specifically empowered. Outside of that, there is no documented, verifiable proof of miraculous healings in history.


Because of that, I don't accept modern reports as true or false; they're just claims without evidence.


What people call "demons" today often come from the spirit of the world - trauma, manipulation, tradition, greed, or the brokenness people can come from their upbringing. These are real problems, but they are not supernatural beings inhabiting people.

Anyone can share testimonies or make videos, but without documentation or proof, I have no reason to believe those stories. And sadly, spiritual abuse is real - people use fear, control, and claims of supernatural authority to make others submit to their will instead of God's.

To me, the greatest healing is the healing of the heart, because the heart can be vain, wounded, and misled. That kind of healing is real, and it doesn't require supernatural theatrics.
 

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I know for fact devils are involved with holy laughter..... or drunk in the spirit...

I did a post on the encounter....

In revelation the devil and his angels fight micheal and his angels and they lose and come down in great anger to the people of earth for he knows his time is short....

Since their not residing in heaven they must be on earth Id have to believe... 1peter: 5-8 the devil goes to and fro like a roaring lion seeking to destroy...
2 cor 11:14 Cant he appear as an angel of light also to decieve people....James 4:7 arent we to resist the devil and he will flee from us
Eph 6:7 put on the whole armour of God to resist the devil
 
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Everything since then has past. People debate genesis non stop.

Lots of debates.