What Christian does not do the law of Christ?

[robert derrick]

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

The law of Christ is written in commandments and points of law by the apostles at the word of Jesus Christ.

Transgressors of that law are therefore easily known, whether to do or not to do.

Since the antinomian law haters not only say it is not necessary to do the law of Christ without transgressing it, but now forbid it and declare any Christian even trying to do the law of Christ, is the only unsaved Christian on the planet headed to hell.

Therefore, enough with theory and let's get down to brass tacks:

Which Christian on this site is ready to specify any commandment or point of law of Christ, that they say is either impossible to keep, or they just don't do it? If they want to say whe whole law of Christ can't be done, then once again specify which single commandment or point the problem.

The commandments including the first great two are plain, and so which of those are declared undoable and/or we ought not try to do them on pains of hell?

Loving God? Our neighbor? One another? Not taking Jesus' name in vain? Honoring mother and father? Do no murder?

How about the points of law that are manifest in works of the flesh, which are found written mostly by Paul but other apostles as well:

Adultery? Drunkenness? Idolatry? Here's a good one: Manstealling. Having respect of persons in the faith of our Lord? How about riotous living? Thieving? Lasciviousness? Is there a Christian here that has a problem keeping their pants or dresses on in public?

So, let's here for the Christians against doing the law of Christ, who do not in fact do it themselves.

I do the law gladly and, like David, love to do it, and the fact that it's easy to do it with Jesus living on the inside working on the outside.

I hate vain thoughts and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

 

[robert derrick]

Now, this is not about being saved or even justified by doing the commandments or not transgressing any point of the law, but only about who exactly is not doing the whole law and every point in between, so that they teach we ought not to even try doing it.

And if they are not denying actually doing the law of Christ, then how in the wide wide world of sports can they then condemn any Christian for even trying to? They are the ones doing the whole law and every commandment and point in between.

And if none answer at all, like a lousy spineless Pharisee who 'cannot say', then that will count as a 'yes' for keeping and doing the law of Christ, as born again Christian believers and lovers of Jesus, who are His law-abiding members of His body on earth today.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to you,

This is just my opinion, and understanding,

All that the Bible has made known to me is that in the Afterlife, working for God in a way that is by the spirit, giving time in relationship with the Father, and praying in the Son Jesus Christ name, walking by the spirit, walking by faith, matters when death arrives at your door step to take away the life which goes back to God away from you.

Therefore, according to the Bible there are rewards for people who overcome in this life by and through the strength of Christ, to help them out with their flesh to hold it back, all the hatred, greed, lust, and fleshly (mind/will/emotions) that come up with-in all people. The result for the Christian who desires to grow and mature is to learn the Bible and get closer to God by using the scriptures to enhance their faith of the promises that are coming when one leaves this life according to the rewards of those who are faith, and in loving relationship with God by individual choice to choose to give their life and time devoted to Yahweh.

To love God first... above all other things even the Bible, remember God is looking for people who will worship Him in Spirit and truth, according to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Second to love your neighbor as yourself (to show respect, even in disagreements), to be patient, kind, to them in truth and while worshiping God, by and through the spirit which is given and it is up to the individual to grow or not to grow, because for most people seeds are planted, some grow, some spring up only shortly lived, some spring up and die... to keep the seed growing, to grow from a Child of God to a Son or Daughter of God, and there will be many differing glories in the Kingdom of Heaven according to the Bible, 1 Corinthians 15, there are also those outside of the Kingdom, and there are some who may receive a special outer resurrection by continuing in life dedication to God and to love God and others.

 

[robert derrick]

Hello to you,

This is just my opinion, and understanding,

All that the Bible has made known to me is that in the Afterlife, working for God in a way that is by the spirit, giving time in relationship with the Father, and praying in the Son Jesus Christ name, walking by the spirit, walking by faith, matters when death arrives at your door step to take away the life which goes back to God away from you.

Therefore, according to the Bible there are rewards for people who overcome in this life by and through the strength of Christ, to help them out with their flesh to hold it back, all the hatred, greed, lust, and fleshly (mind/will/emotions) that come up with-in all people. The result for the Christian who desires to grow and mature is to learn the Bible and get closer to God by using the scriptures to enhance their faith of the promises that are coming when one leaves this life according to the rewards of those who are faith, and in loving relationship with God by individual choice to choose to give their life and time devoted to Yahweh.

To love God first... above all other things even the Bible, remember God is looking for people who will worship Him in Spirit and truth, according to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Second to love your neighbor as yourself (to show respect, even in disagreements), to be patient, kind, to them in truth and while worshiping God, by and through the spirit which is given and it is up to the individual to grow or not to grow, because for most people seeds are planted, some grow, some spring up only shortly lived, some spring up and die... to keep the seed growing, to grow from a Child of God to a Son or Daughter of God, and there will be many differing glories in the Kingdom of Heaven according to the Bible, 1 Corinthians 15, there are also those outside of the Kingdom, and there are some who may receive a special outer resurrection by continuing in life dedication to God and to love God and others.

Nice, but off topic.

If Christians that teach against doing the law of Christ, do not deny they are keeping the law of Christ, or it is impossible to do so in some point or another, then they are keeping the law of Christ while teaching against it.

 

[MatthewG]

It's subjective. I do not know. God is the judge not us human beings.

 

[Robert Gwin]

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

The law of Christ is written in commandments and points of law by the apostles at the word of Jesus Christ.

Transgressors of that law are therefore easily known, whether to do or not to do.

Since the antinomian law haters not only say it is not necessary to do the law of Christ without transgressing it, but now forbid it and declare any Christian even trying to do the law of Christ, is the only unsaved Christian on the planet headed to hell.

Therefore, enough with theory and let's get down to brass tacks:

Which Christian on this site is ready to specify any commandment or point of law of Christ, that they say is either impossible to keep, or they just don't do it? If they want to say whe whole law of Christ can't be done, then once again specify which single commandment or point the problem.

The commandments including the first great two are plain, and so which of those are declared undoable and/or we ought not try to do them on pains of hell?

Loving God? Our neighbor? One another? Not taking Jesus' name in vain? Honoring mother and father? Do no murder?

How about the points of law that are manifest in works of the flesh, which are found written mostly by Paul but other apostles as well:

Adultery? Drunkenness? Idolatry? Here's a good one: Manstealling. Having respect of persons in the faith of our Lord? How about riotous living? Thieving? Lasciviousness? Is there a Christian here that has a problem keeping their pants or dresses on in public?

So, let's here for the Christians against doing the law of Christ, who do not in fact do it themselves.

I do the law gladly and, like David, love to do it, and the fact that it's easy to do it with Jesus living on the inside working on the outside.

I hate vain thoughts and abhor lying: but thy law do I love.

In all honesty Rob, all of us sir. We do our best, but none of us can do it perfectly.

 

[robert derrick]

It's subjective. I do not know. God is the judge not us human beings.

This is a test case, not a judgment thread.

You don't see the point, so thanks anyway.

 

[robert derrick]

In all honesty Rob, all of us sir. We do our best, but none of us can do it perfectly.

The thread is a test case to show how those preaching against doing the law of Christ, are probably doing it, unless they are willing to identify which commandments and points are not doable, or they are willingly transgressing.

I.e. all this nonsense about the law being ended, and we are not to even try and do the law of Christ, lest we be condemned by the law, is a bunch of theoretical tripe.

Those people are doing the law, but they find themselves having to teach against it, in order to be OSAS approved.

 

[MatthewG]

What is a test case?

 

[robert derrick]

Hypocrite.

Yet another of your umpteen threads preaching Against the Faithful Converted in Christ having received The Lords Gift of Salvation.

Gaslighter.

Another nonanswer from the nonaswer queen.

You do not apply here. You certainly are not one of those doing the law of Christ and keeping His commandments, while also teaching against it. You just teach against it, while claiming the doctrinal results of it only.

 

[robert derrick]

What is a test case?

I'll try to explain once more.

1. There are Christians who openly teach against doing the law of Christ, or even trying to do the law of Christ.

2. They have plenty of doctrinal theory about it.

3. But will they state plainly they are doing what they are teaching, that they are not keeping the Lord's commandments nor doing His law, and are living in open transgression to His law in any point, whether adultery, drunkenness, thefts, idolatry, vile cursings, etc...

4. If they are not willing to state plainly they are transgressors of the law of Christ, then why are they teaching against doing so?

5. The test is to see if any of them will do it openly.

So far, none. They teach against doing something, that they won't admit they themselves don't do. It's the hypocritical flip-side of teaching to do something, that you will not admit to doing.

I'm just looking for one of these antinomian law haters to say they practice what they preach, and do not keep the law and commandments of Christ. I have forever been looking for some measure of plain honesty from these people, and so far none has been shown.

I'd like to at least respect them for doing what they preach.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The thread is a test case to show how those preaching against doing the law of Christ, are probably doing it, unless they are willing to identify which commandments and points are not doable, or they are willingly transgressing.

I.e. all this nonsense about the law being ended, and we are not to even try and do the law of Christ, lest we be condemned by the law, is a bunch of theoretical tripe.

Those people are doing the law, but they find themselves having to teach against it, in order to be OSAS approved.

Actually sir, according to Jesus very few are obeying the law of the Christ if he was correct in what he said at Mat 7:14 anyway.

 

[ChristisGod]

Galatians 6:1-4
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else,

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.

Galatians 5:14
The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

hope this helps !!!

 

[robert derrick]

Actually sir, according to Jesus very few are obeying the law of the Christ if he was correct in what he said at Mat 7:14 anyway.

You need to move on to the New Testament Church, where every grafted in branch of His green tree is doing His law faithfully.

But, the thread is about them preaching against the law, and yet not being willing to0 specify which part of the law they can't possibly keep. And if they are keeping the law of Christ, why are they preaching against it.

 

[robert derrick]

What Christian does not do the law of Christ?
OP ^

Men who make the Lords Word of none effect; BY Accusing men IN Christ; they are wrong to trust God is Faithful and True.

So far, the thread proves it's point. None of the law haters preaching against doing it, are willing to say which part of the law they cannot and/or don not keep.

 

[robert derrick]

Galatians 6:1-4
Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else,

1 Corinthians 9:21
To those without the law I became like one without the law (though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ), to win those without the law.

Galatians 5:14
The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

hope this helps !!!

I am not one of them preaching against the law of Christ. If you read the first post, you will see that it is a challenge to them who do, to state which part of the law of Christ they cannot and/or refuse to keep. Loving our neighbors? No adultery? No vile cursing? Honoring mother and father?

 

[robert derrick]

LOL...you are the one accusing, ON THE SLY.

You repeatedly post long ANTI-OSAS threads.
Your posts ARE FULL of what YOU claim a OSAS person BELIEVES.
I asked you to QUOTE, a OSAS believer SAYING what YOU claim.

SLY...YOU say you can’t it is against forum rules.

I say I believe OSAS.
I say WHAT you claim for OSAS believers is FALSE.
I say WHAT, I’m right here, QUOTE ME, saying what you CLAIM.
ZIP...nada.

SLY...YOU have ZERO proof YOUR CLAIMS are VALID.

LAUGHABLE- WHAT you CAN NOT PROVE, you WANT me to make up LIES to PROVE YOUR FALSE CALIMS...

Some minds conjure up such twisted convoluted nonsense...

Are YOU a Liberal? They are famous for that manner of thinking and yipes.....speaking.

Once again. No answer to the question of the thread.

You are a master Pharisee of cannot say.

How old are you? If you are under 50, then I am ashamed of all the time I've wasted with you in the past. If over 50, then I am ashamed of them like you in my generation.

 

[robert derrick]

LOL....I do not sin. I can not sin.
You accuse of sinning.....You prove it.

Non-answer again. The question is not do you sin, but do you continue to commit the unrighteous works of the flesh.

I already know about your changing the definition of sin, so that you cannot be accused of it.

You see, the problem is that you've talked too much. You can't now sound like you're saying something, when you're really not.

Your deceitfulness is a work of the flesh:

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity...

 

[Robert Gwin]

You need to move on to the New Testament Church, where every grafted in branch of His green tree is doing His law faithfully.

But, the thread is about them preaching against the law, and yet not being willing to0 specify which part of the law they can't possibly keep. And if they are keeping the law of Christ, why are they preaching against it.

Be glad to Rob, just as soon as you show me it is the Scripturally identified faith. You see sir, I am kind of naive, as I believe that God would not ask us to congregate together without identifying who to congregate with. So I believe the Bible identifies His people beyond any doubt.

 

[robert derrick]

Be glad to Rob, just as soon as you show me it is the Scripturally identified faith. You see sir, I am kind of naive, as I believe that God would not ask us to congregate together without identifying who to congregate with. So I believe the Bible identifies His people beyond any doubt.

Nothing to do with the thread. You are already a voter for not doing the law. I am looking for those who teach against it and yet are not willing as you, to say they are not doing it.