What Day Is The Sabbath ???

[marksman]

It is true for one at a time and place Christianity. So the fault lies with your Christianity, where <we> actually is the first lie - of many more - of it.

He didn't give a day because nothing had changed with the early believers who were JEWISH so they would automatically join together on the Jewish Sabbath.

 

[marksman]

Everyday!

Peace be with you!

Yes in the sense that they met together daily in homes.

 

[marksman]

Jesus didn't give us a day we must worship on. He gave us a way that we must worship. And that is in Spirit and truth.

Jesus was silent on may issues because of the accepted practice of Judaism. Jesus was a jew and a good jew so he would not violate Jewish law. They met on the Sabbath and he never said otherwise because he expected that to continue.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Sabbath rest and the Sabbath day are two different things.

AMEN

 

[marksman]

1. Saturday is the Sabbath day. On our calendar it is the 7th day of the week. Today, Orthodox Jews still honor that day as the Sabbath. They however, start it at Sunset on Friday.
2. Jesus and his disciples observed the Sabbath, though not without controversy amongst the Pharisees. Jesus was criticized for various works like healing people and allowing his disciples to gather food on the Sabbath. Jesus responded (paraphrasing) that he was the Lord of the Sabbath and that the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
3. Sunday??? Well it's not the Sabbath, but it is a good day to have services. First, any day is as good as the other; second, in the NT is was asked by Paul to collect an offering on the first day of the week.
4. Today's Church is not under the Law and thus, isn't commanded to observe the Sabbath. And certainly not as strictly as asked in the OT.

That is a major point. If one says we are still commanded to keep the Sabbath, fine! Then do it the way it was commanded. I don't think many would be willing to do so.
5. I certainly wouldn't be against anyone observing the Sabbath. I wouldn't look down on them and would be happy for them. Unless of course, they used it as a sign of superior belief and an opportunity to look down on someone else.

3. Sunday??? Well it's not the Sabbath, but it is a good day to have services. First, any day is as good as the other; second, in the NT is was asked by Paul to collect an offering on the first day of the week.

Actually no as it is the wrong translation. The correct translation is One of the sabbaths.

4. Today's Church is not under the Law and thus, isn't commanded to observe the Sabbath. And certainly not as strictly as asked in the OT.

So if we are not under the law it is OK to murder.

 

[marksman]

To me our sabbath is whichever day we choose to rest from our labours and not necessarily a Sunday or a Saturday. Many people - even Christians - must work on those days so it makes sense if they do, to designate another day as a day of rest.

Are you sure Pearl? Not so long ago, no one worked on Sundays. In Australia, we had a family evening out with late night shopping on Fridays when shops stayed open till 9 pm because they closed at 12 noon on Saturday and closed all day Sunday.

When they talked about opening on Saturday afternoon there was a big fight because it said it would interfere with people playing and watching the footie which is our national religion.

And I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says if your work makes it impossible to keep the Sabbath have another day instead.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary points out:

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

What a man shall do for the love for his traditions and worship of his own opinion!

Every time the Bible tells something of "the Sabbath Jesus the Son of Man says He is Lord of", from the beginning to the last, it tells of some specific redemption-related EVENT, "IN IT" / "ON IT" / "WITH IT" / "OF IT" : "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath Day OF : THE LORD your (PERSONAL, INDIVIDUAL, ALL TRUE BELIEVERS') GOD".

Do you hear? You do understand: EVERY TIME!

 

[mailmandan]

What a man shall do for the love for his traditions and worship of his own opinion!

Oh the irony.

 

[marksman]

Jesus didn't give us a day we must worship on. He gave us a way that we must worship. And that is in Spirit and truth.

When Jesus was speaking about worshipping Him in Spirit and Truth he was talking to the woman at the well. In that discussion there was no mention about WHEN they would worship him, only how and where. That being the case, we cannot use the verse to establish a time or day that had been regulated to worship Jesus. Bearing in mind that the Jewish way of life was well-founded on established precepts, The woman would be well versed in the fact that worship took place on the Sabbath so there was no need to talk about something that was not on the horizon.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

This a hopeless unanswerable contradiction in terms, in facts, in logic, in everything!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

When Jesus was speaking about worshipping Him in Spirit and Truth he was talking to the woman at the well. In that discussion there was no mention about WHEN they would worship him, only how and where. That being the case, we cannot use the verse to establish a time or day that had been regulated to worship Jesus.

It is correct in certain respect, that when Jesus was speaking about worshipping Him in Spirit and in Truth He did not mention in so many words about WHEN the believers would worship Him. But He implied worship at a coming together of specific individuals, "believers", of specific Confession of Faith of "WORSHIP GOD, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, IN TRUTH, AND, IN SPIRIT", with specific purpose, for specific reason, to "WORSHIP".

Jesus compared CHURCH of old with CHURCH of the NEW Testament-- which is very obvious in the passage. He did not have in mind accidental meeting of any people one with another for no reason, of no mutual persuasion of Faith (the Christian Faith), at no purposed point in time. That being the case, we can only use this verse to establish a time or day that had been regulated to worship Jesus on, BY HIMSELF AS BEFORE, SO AFTER HIS COMING as God in flesh the Son of Man in Spirit and in Truth the Son of God.

"IN TRUTH" much more, "since JESUS gave them Rest .. and there THEREFORE, for the People of God, a Sabbath Day-of-rest (IN HIM) remains true and valid .. to remember and keep holy .. BECAUSE IN IT THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH OF THE LORD GOD, GOD, RESTING, REVIVED AND REVIVING, RESTED." Exodus 31:17

 

[mailmandan]

This a hopeless unanswerable contradiction in terms, in facts, in logic, in everything!

I really did not expect you to understand. Until the veil is removed...

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Commandment against idolatry does not exist in the Vulgate? Why? Because it is the Commandment against images / likenesses of 'Jesus Christ'. See the true Jesus Christ in the Second Commandment of the Ten Words OF GOD --

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I really did not expect you to understand. Until the veil is removed...

The veil Jesus entered the Sanctuary through, "He consecrated / hallowed / sanctified for us" having Died and been Buried "in the flesh" and "body" God raised Him in / with : "this same Jesus whom ye (and I) crucified, God RAISED, LORD AND CHRIST", and He did so "IN THE SABBATH". God then having Raised Jesus Christ from the dead and grave, "He consecrated / hallowed / sanctified for us" "THE SABBATH daylight mid-afternoon before the First Day of the week"-- that is why "Jesus gave them Rest SO THAT THEREFORE .. God spoke of no other day .. and SABBATH for the People of God STAYS the Day-of-rest."

Until the veil which covers "ALL the Scriptures concerning the Glory of God Shining in the Face of Jesus, when read be removed, may last longer than one's lifetime sometimes.

 

[mailmandan]

The veil Jesus entered the Sanctuary through, "He consecrated / hallowed / sanctified for us" having Died and been Buried "in the flesh" and "body" God raised Him in / with : "this same Jesus whom ye (and I) crucified, God RAISED, LORD AND CHRIST", and He did so "IN THE SABBATH". God then having Raised Jesus Christ from the dead and grave, "He consecrated / hallowed / sanctified for us" "THE SABBATH daylight mid-afternoon before the First Day of the week"-- that is why "Jesus gave them Rest SO THAT THEREFORE .. God spoke of no other day .. and SABBATH for the People of God STAYS the Day-of-rest." The same veil covers the Light of the Glory of God Shining in the Face of Jesus "in ALL THE Scriptures concerning the Christ".

You just don’t get it.

 

[Malihah]

Here come the Sabbath keepers! LOL They're gonna defend their day.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Depending on PRIDE, until the veil when reading the Scriptures be removed, may take longer than a lifetime.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Here come the Sabbath keepers! LOL They're gonna defend their day.

If a day could laugh! Like your no-god image for instance. Wait until God shall defend his Holy Day against offenders and scoffers and tramplers upon it ... every dog gets his day they say.

 

[Malihah]

If a day could laugh! Like your no-god image for instance. Wait until God shall defend his Holy Day against offenders and scoffers and tramplers upon it ... every dog gets his day they say.

Typical SDA arguments.

 

[Pearl]

Are you sure Pearl? Not so long ago, no one worked on Sundays. In Australia, we had a family evening out with late night shopping on Fridays when shops stayed open till 9 pm because they closed at 12 noon on Saturday and closed all day Sunday.

When they talked about opening on Saturday afternoon there was a big fight because it said it would interfere with people playing and watching the footie which is our national religion.

And I don't see anywhere in scripture where it says if your work makes it impossible to keep the Sabbath have another day instead.

What does sabbath actually mean? Sabbath is a day of rest - one in seven.