What did Jesus die to save us from?

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Carl Emerson

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Steve, I wonder what your take is on the Fear of the Lord.

When I read Isaiah 11 concerning Jesus's anointing, Reverential Fear is the key to remaining in righteousness (only doing what we see the Father doing) and Wisdom is birthed in same.

I think Heb 12 also spells out the difference between the old and new covenants as follows...

Contrast of Sinai and Zion​

18 For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and to a blazing fire, and to darkness and gloom and whirlwind, 19 and to the blast of a trumpet and the sound of words, which sound was such that those who heard begged that no further word be spoken to them. 20 For they could not cope with the command, “If even an animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, “I am terrified and trembling.” 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

The Unshaken Kingdom​

25 See to it that you do not refuse Him who is speaking. For if those did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, much less will we escape who turn away from Him who warns us from heaven. 26 And His voice shook the earth then, but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I will shake not only the earth, but also the heaven.” 27 This expression, “Yet once more,” denotes the removing of those things which can be shaken, as of created things, so that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. 28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let’s show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe; 29 for our God is a consuming fire.

So Steve - in both cases the Fear of the Lord prevails and this is not in contradiction to His Love.
 
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Steve, I wonder what your take is on the Fear of the Lord.

.., Reverential Fear is the key to remaining in righteousness...

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So Steve - in both cases the Fear of the Lord prevails and this is not in contradiction to His Love.
Thanks for your thoughtful post.

If we condense "Reverential Fear" to reverence, I'm much more comfortable with the idea.
Although, my tendency is to be rather irreverent. Familiarity breeds contempt.

The word fear canotes something we are terrified of. Something to run away from. To avoid at all cost.
I would hope that God is not someone we are terrified of. But maybe you see it that way?

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This smacks of God as a tyrant to me.

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So the well quoted verse - "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" has no meaning for you ???

I must say that years back when the Spirit was moving amazingly in the 70's I had a prayer meeting in my flat while at university and we experienced what we could only describe as God 'passing by'

The experience left us speechless for a few hours.

The sense of the Holiness and Power of God was overwhelming.

It seems He reveals Himself in different ways - sometimes as a big Daddy - Sometimes as entirely 'other' and indescribably awesome.