What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Marilyn C]

Looks like you apply a literal interpretation to the Heavens. How many Heaven & Earth periods are there?

Not period but realms - visible and invisible. (Col. 1: 16)

 

[ewq1938]

Where is satan mentioned sorry in Isaiah 14 or any other Biblical reference?

I explained how Lucifer is satan in the other post. You avoided commenting on the specifics so don't ask for evidence when it was already given and ignored.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Not period but realms - visible and invisible. (Col. 1: 16)

"For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him."

As I said, how many Heaven and Earth periods are mentioned in the Bible?

Do you understand how the Bible uses these titles?

 

[Hiddenthings]

I explained how Lucifer is satan in the other post. You avoided commenting on the specifics so don't ask for evidence when it was already given and ignored.

So your answer is you cannot show the word Satan in Isaiah 14 or provide a verse in the Bible that links Lucifer with Satan?

Yes or no?

 

[ewq1938]

So your answer is you cannot show the word Satan in Isaiah 14 or provide a verse in the Bible that links Lucifer with Satan?

Yes or no?

So you finally agree satan is Lucifer? See, I can play the stupid question game too.

 

[Marilyn C]

"For by Him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through Him and for Him."

As I said, how many Heaven and Earth periods are mentioned in the Bible?

Do you understand how the Bible uses these titles?

There are only two periods of earth - Eden and then the New Earth.

The Universal heavens were created then became impure (Job 15: 15) and finally God will make a New Heaven, (Universe).


Then for God`s realm the third heavens it was the angelic realm before creation and that will continue on into eternity.

 

[Hiddenthings]

So you finally agree satan is Lucifer? See, I can play the stupid question game too.

You do realize that you're being dishonest, right?

If you acknowledge that you cannot provide the evidence, then what you're saying is purely inferred and just your opinion, which, to me and others, holds no value.

 

[Hiddenthings]

There are only two periods of earth - Eden and then the New Earth.

The Universal heavens were created then became impure (Job 15: 15) and finally God will make a New Heaven, (Universe).

Then for God`s realm the third heavens it was the angelic realm before creation and that will continue on into eternity.

Where is the first Heaven and Earth period mentioned in the Bible?

 

[Marilyn C]

Where is the first Heaven and Earth period mentioned in the Bible?

If you mean the universal heaven and atmospheric heaven around the earth, then we read of that in Gen. 1: 8 & 10.

 

[ewq1938]

You do realize that you're being dishonest, right?

I think that applies to yourself.

 

[Hiddenthings]

If you mean the universal heaven and atmospheric heaven around the earth, then we read of that in Gen. 1: 8 & 10.

Okay, it looks like this study is new. Most Christians have been deceived into thinking there are 3 Heavens so to speak, and this is not what the Bible teaches.

Here is the first - let's look at this first, so you can understand the symbology.

Isaiah 65:17: "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind."

What are the former things (heaven and earth) mentioned here?

What is the context of Isaiah 65?

How does Deuteronomy 32:1 help your interpretation?

If you are patient with me, you will be rewarded!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I think that applies to yourself.

You have nothing of value in this discussion. I tested your evidence, and you have none.

 

[Marilyn C]

Okay, it looks like this study is new. Most Christians have been deceived into thinking there are 3 Heavens so to speak, and this is not what the Bible teaches.

Here is the first - let's look at this first, so you can understand the symbology.

Isaiah 65:17: "See, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind."

What are the former things (heaven and earth) mentioned here?

What is the context of Isaiah 65?

How does Deuteronomy 32:1 help your interpretation?

If you are patient with me, you will be rewarded!

Yes, God will burn up this ole earth and the universal heavens and create a New Earth and New Heavens.

BTW I`m not into the view that there was a creation before this creation. God doesn`t make oops.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, God will burn up this ole earth and the universal heavens and create a New Earth and New Heavens.

BTW I`m not into the view that there was a creation before this creation. God doesn`t make oops.

No, Marilyn.

The references to "Heaven and Earth" periods are speaking to the governance and people of a specific age or era.

There are three distinct ages or epochs mentioned in the Bible.

The "first heaven and earth" represents the Israelite constitution or the Kingdom of God established under the Mosaic covenant (Deuteronomy 32:1; Isaiah 1:2), which came to an end with the destruction of the Jewish State in AD 70 (2 Peter 3:7).

The second "heaven and earth" will be established at Christ's return, marking the setting up of God's Kingdom and the restoration of Israel (Acts 1:6; 2 Peter 3:13).

The third "heaven and earth" will occur at the end of Christ’s reign on earth, when a perfected kingdom will be handed over to the Father, so that He may be all and in all (1 Corinthians 15:24).

So, which period was Paul referring to when he was caught up in a vision of things he couldn't describe or speak of?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, God will burn up this ole earth and the universal heavens and create a New Earth and New Heavens.

BTW I`m not into the view that there was a creation before this creation. God doesn`t make oops.

God's promise still stands and will never be removed. He will not destroy the earth!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Marilyn C

Now with this knowledge try interpreting Revelation 21 and see how the record comes to life!

Don't be shy to ask questions! That's Bible study at its best...rather than forcing notions at the text which is being done in this thread you allow the Bible to teach you!

 

[Marilyn C]

No, Marilyn.

The references to "Heaven and Earth" periods are speaking to the governance and people of a specific age or era.

There are three distinct ages or epochs mentioned in the Bible.

The "first heaven and earth" represents the Israelite constitution or the Kingdom of God established under the Mosaic covenant (Deuteronomy 32:1; Isaiah 1:2), which came to an end with the destruction of the Jewish State in AD 70 (2 Peter 3:7).

The second "heaven and earth" will be established at Christ's return, marking the setting up of God's Kingdom and the restoration of Israel (Acts 1:6; 2 Peter 3:13).

The third "heaven and earth" will occur at the end of Christ’s reign on earth, when a perfected kingdom will be handed over to the Father, so that He may be all and in all (1 Corinthians 15:24).

So, which period was Paul referring to when he was caught up in a vision of things he couldn't describe or speak of?

I don`t see that bro.

 

[Marilyn C]

God's promise still stands and will never be removed. He will not destroy the earth!

`...in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise; and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.` (2 Peter 3: 10)

 

[Hiddenthings]

I don`t see that bro.

What are the former things?

 

[Hiddenthings]

`...in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise; and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.` (2 Peter 3: 10)

Yes the authorities (heavens) and many peoples (earth) will perish but God is not going to destroy literal heavens.

It's now up to you to study to show yourself approved!