What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

[Hiddenthings]

When did Lucifer fall?

You mean the taunt against the king of Babylon.

Isaiah 14 refers to Babylon's judgment and destruction, which began with the Medo-Persian conquest in 539 BCE

You don't think it speaks to something else? The record is very clear!

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You mean the taunt against the king of Babylon.

Isaiah 14 refers to Babylon's judgment and destruction, which began with the Medo-Persian conquest in 539 BCE

You don't think it speaks to something else? The record is very clear!

I'm aware of the Babylonian king passage.

So, was Lucifer still calling Heaven home when he entered the garden in Eden?

 

[Hiddenthings]

I'm aware of the Babylonian king passage.

So, was Lucifer still calling Heaven home when he entered the garden in Eden?

I think you might be misinterpreting the passage...the taunt relates to the King of Babylon

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Define what you mean by fell from heaven.

Cast out .

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I think you might be misinterpreting the passage...the taunt relates to the King of Babylon

So,Lucifer hasn't yet been cast out of heaven? Because he and his fellow rebel angels lost the war?

 

[Hiddenthings]

So,Lucifer hasn't yet been cast out of heaven? Because he and his fellow rebel angels lost the war?

There is no such thing - have you seriously studied Isaiah 14?

Do you seriously believe that chapter in that book at that time is your origin story for a belief which holds no mention of angels rebel or otherwise.

 

[ewq1938]

Cast out .

He is cast out in Rev 12 after the. war in heaven but this happened after Christ's ascension so it is a relatively recent event. Satan "fell" as in rebelled against God and sinned etc long long ago, maybe before the days of creation in Genesis.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Satan "fell" as in rebelled against God and sinned etc long long ago, maybe before the days of creation in Genesis.

Where in the Bible? Show us the origin story?

 

[ewq1938]

Where in the Bible? Show us the origin story?

What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

Maybe they weren't fallen angels as in not satan's angels? He rebelled long before that and angels followed him at least as far as Gen 6. Kinda seems strange that he would get 1/3 more angels at a timeframe after Christ's ascension, doesn't it? The picture of the fallen angels and Satan is an...

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[Hiddenthings]

What do you think was God`s Purpose in making - the Nations, Israel and the Body of Christ?

Maybe they weren't fallen angels as in not satan's angels? He rebelled long before that and angels followed him at least as far as Gen 6. Kinda seems strange that he would get 1/3 more angels at a timeframe after Christ's ascension, doesn't it? The picture of the fallen angels and Satan is an...

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I guess I take that to mean you don't have an origin story.

Hmmm...

 

[Hiddenthings]

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Who else but Satan will literally fall from heaven?

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Who else but Satan could ascend into heaven like he did in Job?


Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Paul wrote that the Antichrist will also seek to do this and whether the AC is Satan or a Satan possessed man it still is a reference to Satan.


Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Exactly what Rev 20 depicts happening to Satan!

Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

Satan bound for a thousand years and I can easily imagine people saying this about him!

That's far too many coincidences to just be about some old king of Babylon as all of it exactly pertains to Satan and what is going to happen to him and what he tries to accomplish.

The serpent was in the garden of Eden.
Lucifer was in the garden of Eden.
Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden.

Satan fell from heaven.
Lucifer fell from heaven.

Satan will be cast into a pit.
Lucifer will be cast into a pit.

So how exactly is Lucifer not Satan?

What a mess!

Lucifer is mentioned in the narrative, but not as a rebellious angel. The text clearly identifies him: "Take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased!" (Isaiah 14:4). While the previous chapter delivers a prophecy against Babylon as a nation, this section shifts focus specifically to its king.

You know the Bible is not a choose your own adventure, right?