What does God say about EVOLUTION?

[ScottA]

You hint at something so important and almost always missed. Adam was created in the image of God. The first representation of Him.

And God is spirit. His created son -in His image, was spirit---- of a kind, divine. And though it's the core of the mystery, the spirit of God was revealed in the likeness of Him.

An image of Him. A kind of reflection, or shadow. A likeness, a representation.

It's so blatantly in our faces we even have a term for such representations. We call them logos.

It's not the actual thing that they represent. It's more like a stamp that creates an automatic association.

Scripture points right at it--

In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with God, and the logos was God."

And the logos became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

If you think the logos applies only to Jesus and not to Adam or yourself for that matter. You've missed it.

Yes, and yet since we are talking about created things...we (or anyone reading this) do need to be careful not to assume that in the creation God created an evolution of Himself as becoming that form that was manifest in the flesh. It is instead, that He found it not good that He should be alone and bore a son whose tender young eyes only began to see according to and of the same form as that which was revealed: first the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

 

[ScottA]

Salvation is not based on how animals and plants come about. There is no danger

Even if some believes metamorphosis was the driving force, no danger

That was not my point.

The danger, is that there is a blindness that comes from focusing on the created things, just as there is in focusing solely on the written word on parchments.

 

[BeyondET]

You hint at something so important and almost always missed. Adam was created in the image of God. The first representation of Him.

And God is spirit. His created son -in His image, was spirit---- of a kind, divine. And though it's the core of the mystery, the spirit of God was revealed in the likeness of Him.

An image of Him. A kind of reflection, or shadow. A likeness, a representation.

It's so blatantly in our faces we even have a term for such representations. We call them logos.

It's not the actual thing that they represent. It's more like a stamp that creates an automatic association.

Scripture points right at it--

In the beginning was the logos, and the logos was with God, and the logos was God."

And the logos became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.

If you think the logos applies only to Jesus and not to Adam or yourself for that matter. You've missed it.

Nay the human body was created first then God breathed into the fully formed nostrils.

 

[BeyondET]

Yes, and yet since we are talking about created things...we (or anyone reading this) do need to be careful not to assume that in the creation God created an evolution of Himself as becoming that form that was manifest in the flesh. It is instead, that He found it not good that He should be alone and bore a son whose tender young eyes only began to see according to and of the same form as that which was revealed: first the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

Lining of the uterus discarded waste was used

 

[BeyondET]

That was not my point.

The danger, is that there is a blindness that comes from focusing on the created things, just as there is in focusing solely on the written word on parchments.

No one knows what the exact procedure was all of man is blind of that.

 

[ScottA]

No one knows what the exact procedure was all of man is blind of that.

Not all.

 

[Mr E]

Yes, and yet since we are talking about created things...we (or anyone reading this) do need to be careful not to assume that in the creation God created an evolution of Himself as becoming that form that was manifest in the flesh. It is instead, that He found it not good that He should be alone and bore a son whose tender young eyes only began to see according to and of the same form as that which was revealed: first the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

It's likely a whole 'nother conversation, but yes. Without diving too deep into generic "God" where scripture notes 'elohim' it's important to note that the flesh was but a physical manifestation (appearance) of a spiritual reality. So then the image of Him reflected His attributes-- spirit gives birth to spirit and like his Father, Adam was in His image with male and female aspects in union.

God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

This is a great mystery, but that female aspect was 'taken out of him' from his side and so the story is told of this companion-helpmate who begins as a part of him, then separated. The full understanding is mind blowing when you consider this too, is a reflection of the Father/God.

 

[Mr E]

Nay the human body was created first then God breathed into the fully formed nostrils.

Scripture tells us that yes, the flesh comes first. But it also tells us that the logos existed before the creation of any physical thing, so how do you reconcile that? Simply, the logos is not physical. It is spirit.

Furthermore, we read in John concerning all of this that out of love-- God sent his son (that logos) and that is what He breathed into the adam (physical/clay/man). I recognize that this might seem strange to most, but it is truth.

 

[BeyondET]

Scripture tells us that yes, the flesh comes first. But it also tells us that the logos existed before the creation of any physical thing, so how do you reconcile that? Simply, the logos is not physical. It is spirit.

Furthermore, we read in John concerning all of this that out of love-- God sent his son (that logos) and that is what He breathed into the adam (physical/clay/man). I recognize that this might seem strange to most, but it is truth.

Do you mean like awareness, consciousness, reasoning?

 

[Mr E]

Do you mean like awareness, consciousness, moral reasoning?

It would be a distraction from @ScottA 's thread to discuss here, but there is the spiritual man -the spirit born to spirit, in the image of God, and there is the physical flesh a reflection/image of that image above. A lower form, if you will. If you have an interest start a thread. The original logos is spirit, and only later becomes flesh. Genesis relates this to us through powerful imagery. In one sense you can perceive the spiritual man, in a more basic understanding, the physical. One is a part of the other as well as apart from the other. One is a reflection of the other, the way your reflection in a mirror is a part and apart from you-- a likeness, but not the real (fullness of) you.

 

[BeyondET]

It would be a distraction from @ScottA 's thread to discuss here, but there is the spiritual man -the spirit born to spirit, in the image of God, and there is the physical flesh a reflection/image of that image above. A lower form, if you will. If you have an interest start a thread. The original logos is spirit, and only later becomes flesh. Genesis relates this to us through powerful imagery. In one sense you can perceive the spiritual man, in a more basic understanding, the physical. One is a part of the other as well as apart from the other. One is a reflection of the other, the way your reflection in a mirror is a part and apart from you-- a likeness, but not the real (fullness of) you.

No I don't have an interest your the one who started mentioning what you did and it was a bit of distraction, you start a thread

 

[Taken]

God says He created and made......KINDS of things.

God says He Is the originator of SEEDS, He Forms and gives to every SEED it’s own body and it’s own KIND of seed to reproduce it own KIND of things.

Different KINDS of TERRESTRIAL THINGS (EARTHLINGS), may have a roll in the hay, but will not reproduce a DIFFERENT KIND of thing.

IMO, adaptations of Kinds of things, are broadened in some instances to IMPLY a consideration for “evolution theories”....eh, imo, rejected.

An earthly animal will never be a man, an earthly man will never be an animal.
A earthly plant will never be a man, an earthly man will never be a plant.

 

[BeyondET]

God says He created and made......KINDS of things.

God says He Is the originator of SEEDS, He Forms and gives to every SEED it’s own body and it’s own KIND of seed to reproduce it own KIND of things.

Different KINDS of TERRESTRIAL THINGS (EARTHLINGS), may have a roll in the hay, but will not reproduce a DIFFERENT KIND of thing.

IMO, adaptations of Kinds of things, are broadened in some instances to IMPLY a consideration for “evolution theories”....eh, imo, rejected.

An earthly animal will never be a man, an earthly man will never be an animal.
A earthly plant will never be a man, an earthly man will never be a plant.

It's a bit more to it than that. Metamorphosis is a complete breakdown of the last kind to another kind.

The catapilar will be reduced to just liqiud soup then stem cells activate with the blueprint to rebuild the soup into a butterfly. Some animals are one of a kind.

 

[Taken]

It's a bit more to it than that. Metamorphosis is a complete breakdown of the last kind to another kind.

The catapilar will be reduced to just liqiud soup then stem cells activate with the blueprint to rebuild the soup into a butterfly. Some animals are one of a kind.

I rather would say, it is a stage of a seed procreating to its final intended KIND of form...

The “soup” so to speak IS the intended process of forming for that KIND of thing.

 

[BeyondET]

I rather would say, it is a stage of a seed procreating to its final intended KIND of form...

The “soup” so to speak IS the intended process of forming for that KIND of thing.

Indeed the seeds are in stem cells, the kind doesn't mean exact replica, it means variety.
Like the cat kind there are house cats,tigers,lions,leopards,cheetahs etc. those are different species within a kind called cats.

 

[BeyondET]

60 percent of human genes have a recognizable counterpart in the banana genome yet doesn't make humans bananas

 

[Taken]

Indeed the seeds are in stem cells, the kind doesn't mean exact replica, it means variety.
Like the cat kind there are house cats,tigers,lions,leopards,cheetahs etc. those are different species within a kind called cats.

KIND remains the same. Big, Small, Husky, Slim, Colors, hairy, baldy, Humans and animals are not clones, but each it’s same KIND of thing, is my point, via Scripture.

 

[BeyondET]

KIND remains the same. Big, Small, Husky, Slim, Colors, hairy, baldy, Humans and animals are not clones, but each it’s same KIND of thing, is my point, via Scripture.

What you mentioned on big small hair bald etc, is not a pattern of a kind but environmental conditions that can effect all species rather man or animal or plant.

 

[Taken]

What you mentioned on big small hair bald etc, is not a pattern of a kind but environmental conditions that can effect all species rather man or animal or plant.

Yes, I know. All the same KIND of things, but have individual looks, likenesses, abilities.

All living animals and humans have IN THEM a soul, Gods Breath of Life...

Animals and Humans BOTH...
Have, eyes, ears, nose, tongues, flesh.....
Receipt of their SOUL, Gods Breath of Life;
Their eyes, see.
Their ears, hear.
Their nose, smells,
Their tongues, taste,
Their flesh, feels touch.

And none of those senses are exactly the same in every human Kinds of things or every animal Kinds of things.

 

[BeyondET]

Yes, I know. All the same KIND of things, but have individual looks, likenesses, abilities.

All living animals and humans have IN THEM a soul, Gods Breath of Life...

Animals and Humans BOTH...
Have, eyes, ears, nose, tongues, flesh.....
Receipt of their SOUL, Gods Breath of Life;
Their eyes, see.
Their ears, hear.
Their nose, smells,
Their tongues, taste,
Their flesh, feels touch.

And none of those senses are exactly the same in every human Kinds of things or every animal Kinds of things.

Some don't even have those senses, star nose mole is a odd one lol, no eyes ears, the octopus smells and taste through its suckers.