Hillsage notes:
<Adam wasn't born in sin>
The above is still correct. He wasn't born a sinner, he was created
the first..Adam the son of God. (Luke 3:38) and he was not a sinner.
Critically thinking,
Adam wasn't even the first sinner of mankind....right? Eve was! Let's apply that truth to your "
Rom 5" comment.
But first let's see what the Greek def of "
man/men" is, in verse 12.
0444 anthropos: man-faced, i.e.
a human being
Question? Was Eve
a human being?
ROM 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/anthropos sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men/anthropos, for that all have sinned:
Does this verse you're leaning on say a male named Adam? No, it does not. Does the definition of "
man" even mean a male? No, it does not. When this verse says
"death passed upon all men/anthropos" Do you think that Romans 5 means WOMEN don't sin and die? I'm trusting you don't. But I'm also hoping that you can see the problem I'm seeing concerning this one verse.
My thinking has no problem concerning what Paul WROTE to the church in Rome. Just a problem with what we've been TAUGHT from Rome since then.
I hope you can see why your use of "
Rom 5" really doesn't prove to me what it does for you.
Bible notes:
"in Adam all sinned" (Romans 5:)
So you say, but where is the 'name' "
Adam" at, in 5:12 above. I am seeing a lot of things differently this last year. I'm looking, not to justify 'our' indoctrination with roots from Rome. But I am looking for 'the truth' wherever it will take me.
The question is, do we sin because we are sinners, or do we become sinners when we sin.
I still think we are born with a sin nature. Does that mean we HAVE to sin? I believe we choose to sin, from the womb to the grave. Jesus didn't say "go and commit ?,?,? adultery, anymore." He said: "Go and sin no more."
God ordains everything, including human behavior: "for who resists his will" (Romans 9:19)
CONTEXT;
ROM 9:18 So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills.
Context; you
/I
initiate sin and God decides whether to "
harden" you/I, in that sin or not "
harden" you. What influences GOD's decision? I believe it's 'whether or not' YOU REPENT when the holy spirit in you, first CONVICTS you of "
righteousness, sin and judgment." If you don't repent (and turn) He turns you over to the "
torturers" who He will LET "
scourge" you until you do repent, or die in refusal to fighting sin. God made the laws, but He doesn't enforce them, the enforcers do.
Check out also Psalm 51:3.
I did check it. Unfortunately, with that verse, I now have to circle back to the beginning, concerning what happened in the Garden.
PSA 51:3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
Transgression isn't sin. And Eve wasn't judged for a "transgression" leading to her sin, which led to 'death'. But Adam was, in this verse below. I'm asking WHY?
ROM 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
2CO 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
Adam's sin was not because of being "
bequiled" with "
subtilty" like Eve. He sinned because of a "
transgression" and that was "
the figure of him that was to come." And "
the figure" would be JESUS. Who was a '
transgressor' and "
numbered with the transgressors. I'll just stop there.
And probably best to just deal with what was before you mentioned Psa. 51:3.
