What does the Bible say about Grace and Good Works?

[Bible Highlighter]

@Keturah

Not sure why you would be angry with my telling you about Dan’s avatar that promotes a sinful worldly TV-show.
Do you believe in promoting the sinful things on that TV show that I mentioned in that post?
His posting of a character from that series is an endorsement of that show that pushes various sins.
Christians are not to promote sin or lead others into sin. Promoting a sinful TV-show is wrong.

 

[Keturah]

So you are doing the very thing that you condemn me for. I thought we as Christians are not allowed to judge other Christians according to your previously stated belief. In any event, I believe the gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. But there is also a CALL of the gospel, too. My guess is that you have no clue as to what the “call of the gospel” is. The call of the gospel is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:14, and it is defined for us in 2 Thessalonians 2:13. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God has chosen you to salvation through the Sanctification of the Spirit, and a belief of the truth. That’s the call of the gospel. Are you heeding that call? All of us Christians should be heeding this call.

Read very slowly in prayer Galatians 6:8-9 in the King James Bible. It will shock you. It will tell you something that you have never been taught at church or by popular grace teachers.

Oh yes most definitely! How does it feel ?
Jesus said by LOVE would folks know who are his disciples !

IMO .... NO LOVE ...NO DISCIPLESHIP.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Whoa, whoa you are much worse than I really thought mister. Full of hate, arrogance and anger.

There is no hate, arrogance, or anger going on here.
I believe God‘s Word teaches me to love the person and hate the sin.
I love Dan as a person, but I don’t love his belief and or his promotion of a sinful TV-show by his avatar.

Have you met the saviour ?
Have you been born again ?

Yes, in 1992, I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior by way of prayer and I believed the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 5:1-4. I used to be an atheist before that point and when I accepted Jesus there was a love, joy, and peace that I had never known before. I became extremely passionate in following the Lord.

If the answer is yes, then you have LOST your first love.

Losing your first love is not doing the first works of love with loving the brethren in helping them in need. It has nothing to do with correcting them on wrong beliefs and or if they promote sinful TV-shows that can lead even children astray into watching such dark things.

Please ask for forgiveness and stop attacking folks. Yes it is an attack on Dan not what he said but Dan for having that as his avatar opposed to grace that he shared. You need a leash or reign BH!

I expose error where it needed. If somebody posted something pornographic, we should stand up and correct that person (obviously, right?). But folks today regulate sins to being lesser sins (Because it is in the form of a TV show that people find entertaining when in reality is a show that promotes sinful things).

 

[Keturah]

@Keturah

Not sure why you would be angry with my telling you about Dan’s avatar that promotes a sinful worldly TV-show.
Do you believe in promoting the sinful things on that TV show that I mentioned in that post?
His posting of a character from that series is an endorsement of that show that pushes various sins.
Christians are not to promote sin or lead others into sin. Promoting a sinful TV-show is wrong.

It is sad that you fail to separate the avatar from the person. It is sad that error has been studied so valiantly, but it lacks promotion due to it's error and lack of HS inspiration.

I am sorry and will pray for this forum and all involved .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let's just dive in to some verses I found on grace and works.

Grace:

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; - Titus 2:11-12


8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:8-9

But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. - Genesis 6:8-9

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. - John 1:17

But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. - 1 Corinthians 15:10


We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain. - 2 Corinthians 6:1

And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work: - 2 Corinthians 9:8

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. - Galatians 5:4


Works:

Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 5:16

I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. - John 9:4

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. - Titus 2:13-14

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. - Romans 3:27

The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. - Romans 13:12

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. - Ephesians 2:10

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. - Titus 1:16

Well not looking at others, I know Scripture teaches this:

1. We are saved by grace alone through faith! No works at all

2. The grace that saves us, also makes a new creature and causes Godly works to come from us!

3. the works are a result of us being saved and have nothing to do with uis getting saved or staying saved.

 

[Keturah]

There is no hate, arrogance, or anger going on here.
I believe God‘s Word teaches me to love the person and hate the sin.
I love Dan as a person, but I don’t love his belief and or his promotion of a sinful TV-show by his avatar.



Yes, in 1992, I accepted Jesus Christ as my personal Lord and Savior by way of prayer and I believed the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 5:1-4. I used to be an atheist before that point and when I accepted Jesus there was a love, joy, and peace that I had never known before. I became extremely passionate in following the Lord.


Losing your first love is doing the first works of love with loving the brethren in helping them in need. It has nothing to do with correcting them on wrong beliefs and or if they promote sinful TV-shows that can lead even children astray into watching such dark things.


I expose error where it needed. If somebody posted something pornographic, we should stand up and correct that person (obviously, right?). But folks today regulate sins to being lesser sins (Because it is in the form of a TV show that people find entertaining when in reality is a show that promotes sinful things).

I do not believe you love.
I pray God changes what I see in your words. He sees your heart and knows the truth.

Your name will continue to go in my reports when I see personal attacks regardless your feigning of loving.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh yes most definitely! How does it feel ?

I actually rejoice when Jesus said we are persecuted falsely for His name sake.
My issue is that you are not being consistent with your belief.
It’s like the pot calling the kettle black.
It’s hypocritical to not hold to your own standard.
Jesus had a problem with the religious elite in being hypocritical.

Jesus said by LOVE would folks know who are his disciples !

This would be love as how the Bible defines it and not how we define it.
Yes, they loved each other but they did not justify sin and or turn a blind eye towards sin.
Love does not rejoice in iniquity but it rejoices in the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6).

IMO .... NO LOVE ...NO DISCIPLESHIP.

Again, not everyone believes in the same Jesus.
Paul spoke about another Jesus and another gospel.
Obviously another Jesus cannot save or another gospel cannot save.

 

[Keturah]

I actually rejoice when Jesus said we are persecuted falsely for His name sake.
My issue is that you are not being consistent with your belief.
It’s like the pot calling the kettle black.
It’s hypocritical to not hold to your own standard.
Jesus had a problem with the religious elite in being hypocritical.



This would be love as how the Bible defines it and not how we define it.
Yes, they loved each other but they did not justify sin and or turn a blind eye towards sin.
Love does not rejoice in iniquity but it rejoices in the truth (1 Corinthians 13:6).



Again, not everyone believes in the same Jesus.
Paul spoke about another Jesus and another gospel.
Obviously another Jesus cannot save or another gospel cannot save.

Praise Jesus that I know in whom I have believed and that he is able to keep those things I have committed unto him against that day !

I will NOT give you a platform to yak any more in this forum.

I will keep investigating and reporting offenses to God's and the forum rules by any to another that I see.

We have to be able to hear to help.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I do not believe you love.

Again, it does not matter what you believe about me. What matters is how does the Bible defines love.
Keep in mind that this love is balanced with God’s people not justifying sin of any kind.

1 John 5:2-3
”By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

I pray God changes what I see in your words. He sees your heart and knows the truth.

John 17:17
”Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”

The truth is God’s Word (the Bible).

We are His disciples if we Continue in His Word (keep abiding in it and keep putting His words back into our hearts over and over). By Contining in His Word, we know the truth, and the truth will set us free (See: John 8:31-32).

Believers must not conform to this world, but they are to offer their bodies as a willing sacrifice unto God and be transformed by the renewing of their mind to prove what the perfect will of God is (See: Romans 12:1-2).

Your name will continue to go in my reports when I see personal attacks regardless your feigning of loving.

I will rejoice in my Lord for my stand against any wrong doing or wrong beliefs. God is good, and His people are good, too.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Praise Jesus that I know in whom I have believed and that he is able to keep those things I have committed unto him against that day !

I will NOT give you a platform to yak any more in this forum.

I will keep investigating and reporting offenses to God's and the forum rules by any to another that I see.

We have to be able to hear to help.

I am not afraid of you. I only fear God. Do what thou wilt. I will continue to preach the Word of God and rejoice in His good ways (That is a part of His grace). If I am persecuted for righteousness sake, it will make me to rejoice all the more in my Lord.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Oh yes most definitely! How does it feel ?
Jesus said by LOVE would folks know who are his disciples !

IMO .... NO LOVE ...NO DISCIPLESHIP.

Notice how you did not address any of the verses I put forth to you here. Instead, you gave this kind of response and side stepped the verses. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17). So I would encourage you to go back and check the verses I put forth to you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It is sad that you fail to separate the avatar from the person. It is sad that error has been studied so valiantly, but it lacks promotion due to it's error and lack of HS inspiration.

I am sorry and will pray for this forum and all involved .

The avatar is only a reflection of what is going on inside a person and what they love.
Everything we do as Christians truly does matter.
But we can agree to disagree in love and respect and move on.
Dan and I go back even to another forum in these kind of discussions.

May the Lord Jesus and His peace be upon you.

 

[Keturah]

Jinga lama ding dang.

Folks seem to not understand Bible DISCUSSION ,PC DEBATE, COURTESY, NOR EVEN HOW TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

Sel righteousness is a pharaseetical trait and Jesus steadfastly rebuked this but did go on to say OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH HIM MUST.......EXCEED ......THEIRS.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Whoa, whoa you are much worse than I really thought mister. Full of hate, arrogance and anger.
Have you met the saviour ?
Have you been born again ?

If the answer is yes, then you have LOST your first love. Please ask for forgiveness and stop attacking folks. Yes it is an attack on Dan not what he said but Dan for having that as his avatar opposed to grace that he shared. You need a leash or reign BH!

amen

when people have lost an argument, they resort to trying to attack the other person.. try to discredit them.. that is what happens with legalism.. they get to the point they have no argument, so they resort to character attacks..

Dan is actually a mailman.. that is why he uses that avatar. he is not promoting Seinfeld, He is promoting his line of work.

Bible highlighter can't get out of his own way.

Both sets of verses above here are talking about the problem of Circumcision done for salvation (Which would be Works ALONE Salvationism without God’s grace in our Initial Salvation). See Acts 15:1, Acts 15:5, Acts 15:24, Galatians 5:2, Romans 2:25-29, Romans 3:1, Romans 4:9-12, and Galatians 2:3. It’s not saying that works of faith are not required as a part of entering the kingdom AFTER we are saved by God’s grace (See again my list of verses in Post #30).

Romans 3:27 says that boasting is excluded when it comes to the law of faith.
Boasting is the kind of works we see done in Ephesians 2:9 (Which would be man directed works and not works that we are created unto Christ Jesus to do - Ephesians 2:10). The works in verse 9 are different than the works in verse 10 in Ephesians 2.

Paul was also talking about how we are saved initially in these verses, as well. He was not saying you can refuse to ever do works of faith as a part of Sanctification. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says that God has chosen us to salvation through the Sanctification of the Spirit, and a belief of the truth (Which is a call of the gospel - verse 14).



Right, not according to OUR works, but according to his own purpose and grace. So works are still required. We are created unto Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:9). If one is unfruitful, they will be cast forth like a branch and burned (John 15:4-6).



No actual verse or Scripture says this.
It’s not one or the other. It’s both.

We are first saved by God’s grace initially (Which is a process of salvation without works) (Ephesians 2:8-9), AND THEN…
We enter the Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth (Which God has chosen us to salvation through) (See again 2 Thessalonians 2:13). Sanctification involves well doing (i.e. good works) see Galatians 6:8-9.

There you go using your belief system to interpret the word and not the word of God to set your belief system.

Salvation is of grace, not of merit.

you work to merit a reward, a wage,

salvation can not be merited. You merit condemnation. because you have sinned, the penalty of sin is death.

Only death can pay for your sin. How many death sentences do you have against you? (how many sins have you commited) you think your measly work is going to pay for those sins? when the ONLY thing which can pay for them is the death of an innocent (this was shown in the law to lead you as a schoolmaster)

sadly. you have failed to grasp the law. Like a pharisee. you see yourself as righteous.. hence the law can not lead you any more than it lead them./ you think your ok. as Jesus said, he can not heal you until you repent and admit your own sin and debt against him, you must be broken (in Jesus words poor in spirit or literally bankrupt)

unutil this happen for you. You will not be able to see not only your sin, but Gods grace.. now will you understand it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The avatar is only a reflection of what is going on inside a person and what they love.
Everything we do as Christians truly does matter.
But we can agree to disagree in love and respect and move on.
Dan and I go back even to another forum in these kind of discussions.

May the Lord Jesus and His peace be upon you.

again, you fail to repent.. and you wonder why people come at you

Dans avatar represents his line of work. he uses and actor who is pictured a mailman as a symbol of what the lord has given him to support his family

and you say it is evil

 

[Behold]

Did I misunderstand you? It looked like you were indicating they were not saved sir.

The only proof of salvation is to be born again.
Thats the eternal proof.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is sad that you fail to separate the avatar from the person. It is sad that error has been studied so valiantly, but it lacks promotion due to it's error and lack of HS inspiration.

I am sorry and will pray for this forum and all involved .

another serious flaw of legalism.

you can't repent of your own error. you keep pushing it. even though deep down inside you have to know what you are doing is wrong. unless you are so deceived you actually believe it

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am not afraid of you. I only fear God. Do what thou wilt. I will continue to preach the Word of God and rejoice in His good ways (That is a part of His grace). If I am persecuted for righteousness sake, it will make me to rejoice all the more in my Lord.

if you truly feared God you would learn who and what God is. and you would not teach what you teach.

The God you fear is not the god of the bible..

 

[Keturah]

No. It does not mean you cannot expose or correct others who are in error. 2 Timothy 3:16 says all Scripture is profitable for correction.
In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul tells the Corinthian believers to kick out a fornicating Christian amongst them.
So Jesus is referring to how we are not to pull up the weeds as in reference to physically stopping them (by the use of physical force). We don’t kill our opponents or silence them permanently whereby they can never speak elsewhere. We don’t put muzzles on them, and or prevent them from writing ever again. We don’t take their life to stop them.

Scripture is profitable for correction IN LOVE of the brethren. I get the distinct heavy flavour of GARLIC that you do NOT consider these brothers.

This word in Timothy is addressed to God's church.

Jesus took the whip to the wicked in the temple of God, not the worshippers !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Scripture is profitable for correction IN LOVE of the brethren. I get the distinct heavy flavour of GARLIC that you do NOT consider these brothers.

This word in Timothy is addressed to God's church.

Jesus took the whip to the wicked in the temple of God, not the worshippers !

amen

he took the temple to the religious who thought they were doing Gods will and were righteous.

not the sinner who understood his need of a savior