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What happens at Death?

Discussion in 'Christian Theology Forum' started by evechot, Oct 14, 2006.

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    :study: Perhaps you know the empty feeling that comes with losing o loved one in death. How very sad and helpless you can feel. It is only natural to ask; What happens to a person when he dies? Is he still alive somewhere? Will the living ever again be able to enjoy on earth the company of those now dead?To answer such a question, it will be a help for us to know what happened to Adam at his death. When Adam sinned, God told him; "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return". [Genesis 3:19] Think of what that means. Before God created Adam from dust, there was no Adam. He did not exist. So, after Adam died, Adam returned to that same state of nonexistence.Simply stated, death is the opposite of life. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 according to the Authorized or KJV says; " For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing," neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."This means that the dead cannot do anything and cannot feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, as the Bible states; "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground [grave]; in that day his thoughts do perish". [Psalms 146:3,4] According to the Bible, the dead enter a state of complete inconsciousness.
     
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    :study: Perhaps you know the empty feeling that comes with losing o loved one in death. How very sad and helpless you can feel. It is only natural to ask; What happens to a person when he dies? Is he still alive somewhere? Will the living ever again be able to enjoy on earth the company of those now dead?To answer such a question, it will be a help for us to know what happened to Adam at his death. When Adam sinned, God told him; "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return". [Genesis 3:19] Think of what that means. Before God created Adam from dust, there was no Adam. He did not exist. So, after Adam died, Adam returned to that same state of nonexistence.
    The Bible says that the dead will be raised to life, so that cannot be a correct interpretation.This passage refers to death of the human body only. It is really a generalised link of sin with mortality of the body, rather than a view of what actually happens to people when they die. Yes, the body was known to be corrupted and to return to 'dust', what we now may call the biosphere. The soul, rather than the body, was considered to be resting or sleeping:'Then David rested with his fathers and was buried in the City of David.' 1 Kings 2:10 NIV'We believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.' 1 Thess 4:14-15 NIV
     
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    To be Abesent from the body is to be present with the Lord2 Corinthians, Chapter 5, 008: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
     
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    To be Abesent from the body is to be present with the Lord2 Corinthians, Chapter 5, 008: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
    For the saints, of course.
     
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    Ecclesiastes 12 has two verses that say it better than any.Ecclesiastes 12:6-7Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.The first section is, metaphorically, refering to the body as a creation of God such as the creations of man will break. Upon death, your body returns (decomposes) back to the earth from whence it was created. Your soul, which belongs to God, returns to God, for:Ezekiel 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
     
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    :study: Perhaps you know the empty feeling that comes with losing o loved one in death. How very sad and helpless you can feel. It is only natural to ask; What happens to a person when he dies? Is he still alive somewhere? Will the living ever again be able to enjoy on earth the company of those now dead?To answer such a question, it will be a help for us to know what happened to Adam at his death. When Adam sinned, God told him; "You [will] return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return". [Genesis 3:19] Think of what that means. Before God created Adam from dust, there was no Adam. He did not exist. So, after Adam died, Adam returned to that same state of nonexistence.Simply stated, death is the opposite of life. Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 according to the Authorized or KJV says; " For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing," neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."This means that the dead cannot do anything and cannot feel anything. They no longer have any thoughts, as the Bible states; "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground [grave]; in that day his thoughts do perish". [Psalms 146:3,4] According to the Bible, the dead enter a state of complete inconsciousness.
    In dealing with the question of death, I think that it is vital to distinguish physical death from spiritual death. [list type=decimal][*]Physical death is associated with our human flesh. By testimony of scriptures, the flesh is made of clay and will return back to the dust. In essence, human life is ephemeral. As a result, physical death is the expiration of time that our body has to live.[*]Spiritual death is associated with our human soul. By testimony of scriptures, God breathe a breath of life into Adam and he became a living soul. God's breath, same as God's word is eternal. Spiritual death isn't a factor predicated upon an expiration of time. Rather, it is when our human soul has become severed from God's light. As such, it moves into spiritual darkness and becomes lost. The beauty of spiritual death is that our human soul can return back to the light and be resurrected to a new life.[/list]Jesus was born of the Holy Ghost as a quickening spirit. The Holy Ghost is the spoken word of God. Thus, Jesus is the incarnation of God's word and/or the Son of God. The Holy Ghost made it possible for the Son of God to overcome spiritual death. As such, Jesus was resurrected from the dead.To answer your question as to what happens after death? First, I presume that you are speaking in the context of physical death. Our human soul, that remains within our flesh, will be buried with us inside our grave or coffin, unless we have been cremated. No matter which process of our burial, our soul will have to become purified by fire prior to us entering into heaven. God has established two distinct modes of purification by fire since the foundation of the world. The most painful mode of purification is by the perdition of hell fire. Our soul, one way or the other will make its way through the crust of the earth down to the molten lava that is beneath the earth. Certain scriptures depict the term fire and brimstone. The temperature ranges from 750 degrees to 1250 degrees Celsius. The boiling point of Celsius is 100 degrees. Thus, the molten rocks heat seven to ten times of boiling. The heat is hot enough to melt the molten rock to appear as a lake of fire. When our soul enters into the lake of fire it will remain there until earth passes away.The second mode of purification is baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost. To qualify for the latter one must have received the Comforter. The Comforter, same as the Holy Ghost is God's spoken word. The Comforter knows the sound of Jesus voice in a spiritual context. The scriptures provides us testimony that Jesus will call each of us from the dead. In order that we hear him and rise, it is imperative that we have the Comforter with us in our grave and/or coffin.The Good News is that if our human soul is able to hear Jesus' voice as it lies dormant with our dead physical body, then it will avoid the Second Death of the Lake of fire and/or the perdition of hell. Consequently, baptism by fire or the Holy Ghost is the safest route to purification and/or heaven.Bear in mind that heaven is a clean place where God lives. There isn't any dirt, filth, trash or garbage to corrupt God's Kingdom. All impurities are dumped here on earth as a waste field. God burns His waste, same as we burn our waste.Inevitably, each child of God will make it home to heaven. The question is when and/or how. We can either travel with Jesus and the Holy Ghost or we can take the old path alone through the Lake of fire. The former is more preferable to the latter. God allows us to choose our own route. The Bible is similar to a road map that lays out which passage to follow. The passage way is divided in half as the OT and the NT. The Gospel is merely indicating a new direction to follow Jesus as the incarnation of God's word.
    2Pet3[7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
    Amen!
     
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    To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord 2cor.5:8
     
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    Ecclesiastes 12 has two verses that say it better than any.Ecclesiastes 12:6-7Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.The first section is, metaphorically, refering to the body as a creation of God such as the creations of man will break. Upon death, your body returns (decomposes) back to the earth from whence it was created. Your soul, which belongs to God, returns to God, for:Ezekiel 18:4Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
    Hi, For discussion sake, what scripture points to the soul going to heaven at death? I hope you find this to be a valid question since we may be assuming a great deal without such scripture. What is a soul? Adam "became a living soul," not that God "put" a living soul into him. That is fair to say. Gen. 2:7, soul is nephesh. It is the exact same word in Genesis 1:21 referring to living "creature" (nephesh). In Genesis 2:19, Adam was asked to name every living "creature"--again the Hebrew expression is nephesh. The first lie in the garden from Satan was, "You shall not surely die" (Genesis 3:4, 5). "For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing" (Ecc. 9:2,5). "...the King of kings and the Lord of lords, who alone has immortality" (1 Tim. 6:15, 16). Where do we draw the line, does the "soul" go to heaven when the body dies since they are regarded as a separate entity? ... Historical evidence points to Plato's teaching of a dualistic nature, separate entities, soul and body. The Catholics, as you know, took this page right out of Plato's teachings. Many reformers, two specifically, protested against such. Luther and Tyndale. Why do we accept Plato and and the Catholics viewpoint and we seem to denounce the reformers teaching which is Biblical based? Something to consider:MARTIN LUTHER (1493-1546), German Reformer and Bible translator "That the bread and wine are transubstantiated in the sacrament; that the essence of God neither generates nor is generated; that the soul is the substantial form of the human body that he [the pope] is emperor of the world and king of heaven, and earthly god; that the soul is immortal; and all these endless monstrosities in the Roman dunghill of decretals." Martin Luther, Assertio Omnium Articulorum M. Lutheri per Bullam Leonis X. Novissimam Damnatorum (Assertion of all the articles of M. Luther condemned by the latest Bull of Leo X), article 27, Weimar edition of Luther's Works, vol. 7, pp. 131, 132 (a point-by-point exposition of his position, written Dec. 1, 1520, in response to requests for a fuller treatment than that given in his Adversus execrabilem Antichristi Bullam, and Wider die Bulle des Endchrists).WILLIAM TYNDALE (1484-1536), English Bible translator and martyr"And ye, in putting them [the departed souls] in heaven, hell, and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection.... And again, if the souls be in heaven, tell me why they be not in as good case as the angels be) And then what cause is there of the resurrection?"—William Tyndale, An Answer to Sir Thomas More's Dialogue (Parker's 1850 reprint), bk. 4, ch. 4, pp. 180, 181."The true faith putteth [setteth forth] the resurrection, which we be warned to look for every hour. The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put [set forth] that the souls did ever live. And the pope joineth the spiritual doctrine of Christ and the fleshly doctrine of philosophers together; things so contrary that they cannot agree, no more than the Spirit and the flesh do in a Christian man. And because the fleshly-minded pope consenteth unto heathen doctrine, therefore he corrupteth the Scripture to stablish it."—lbid., p. 180.John S.
     
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    Adam "became a living soul," not that God "put" a living soul into him. That is fair to say. Gen. 2:7, soul is nephesh. It is the exact same word in Genesis 1:21 referring to living "creature" (nephesh). In Genesis 2:19, Adam was asked to name every living "creature"--again the Hebrew expression is nephesh.
    Let's look at the whole verse to put it proper context.Genesis 2:7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.The Hebrew for man here is eth-Ha-Adham which differs from that of 'adam used in Genesis 1:26. It's quite accurate to use "put" here because God clearly constructed Adam's physical body then "breathed" the soul - Hebrew naphach.Again, I'm really starting to grow tired of the lies and tremendous assumptions that you make about what I say. All souls are God and they return to him when they die - there is no purgatory and no holding chamber. What does it say plain as day right there in the Bible that I cited and you even quoted??Ecclesiastes 12:6-7Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.Luther nor Tyndale wrote it - GOD wrote it right there for you in his letter to you and me! The souls, which all belong to God regardless of on which side you fall return to Him for judgment. I believe Luther did a lot of good, but if you want to go with a man who was known for calling his opponents ridiculous and vulgar names over the Word of God then be my guest. However, Luther and Tyndale don't speak for John's and Denver's appearance before God on the throne of judgment.
     
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    Ecclesiastes 9:5,10 according to the Authorized or KJV says; " For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not any thing," neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
    This is referring to the physical body which returns to the earth.
    They no longer have any thoughts, as the Bible states; "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground [grave]; in that day his thoughts do perish". [Psalms 146:3,4]
    Again, this is referring to the physical body.
     
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    II Corinthians 5:8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.Kriss quoted this before, but I'll do it again so it won't be missed.
     
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    :What happens to a person when he dies?
    The Bible is quite clear what happens when we die:- When we die,time stops for us and we go into a "sleep of death" to await Judgement Day:- "Don't grieve for those asleep,for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14) Then on Judgement Day,christians AND nonchristians get a wake-up call:- As Jesus said:- "ALL in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29) Then the christians are whisked off to heaven,but the nonchristians are:- "Thrown screaming into the fire" (Matt 13:41/42) forever - Jesus said "Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)They had their chance when they were alive on earth:-"It's dreadful to fall into the hands of God for trampling his son underfoot" (Heb 10:29-31)Hence the terrible warning:- "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philip 2:12)
     
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    The Bible is quite clear what happens when we die:- When we die,time stops for us and we go into a "sleep of death" to await Judgement Day:- "Don't grieve for those asleep,for they sleep in Jesus" (1 Thess 4:13/14) Then on Judgement Day,christians AND nonchristians get a wake-up call:- As Jesus said:- "ALL in the graves shall come out,to resurrection or damnation" (John 5:28/29) Then the christians are whisked off to heaven,but the nonchristians are:- "Thrown screaming into the fire" (Matt 13:41/42) forever - Jesus said "Then they will go away to eternal punishment,but the righteous to eternal life" (Matt 25:46)They had their chance when they were alive on earth:-"It's dreadful to fall into the hands of God for trampling his son underfoot" (Heb 10:29-31)Hence the terrible warning:- "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philip 2:12)
    **************"Sleep" in this context mean death, not sleep as we know it. When we are absent from the body, Apostle Paul tells us, we are present with the Lord.Jesus said God is God of the living; not the dead.When we die we instantly go to God; we do not sleep, we are very much awake.Check out Greek and Hebrew words in a concordance to see what the real meanings of words are. I use a Strong's Concordance.
     
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    "Sleep" in this context mean death, not sleep as we know it. When we die we instantly go to God; we do not sleep, we are very much awake.
    Yes, 'sleep' is just an innocent term used by the Bible to remind us that death isn't final, it's just a brief nap [​IMG]
     
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