What happens at Death?

[Keraz]

And my favorite modern evidence all this is so...

I don't watch videos, so what happened to Clint Walker, i assume is as many people have described in their Near Death Experiences. NDE's
All quite similar and the same pattern of the Light down a tunnel, Or the horrible devils waiting to torture them!

All such 'visions' are from Satan. His purpose is to fool people into thinking there is some kind of life after death.
But we Bible believing Christians should know better, as the Bible says: Life is given to each person, then to die and after that comes the Judgment. Hebrews 9:27 Adams soul will have been 'sleeping' for 7000 years before he stands before God at the GWT Judgment of all mankind. Rev 20:11-15

THEN, God's great Purpose for mankind will be fulfilled; He will have a people who freely chose to believe in Him and who kept His Commandments. They will go with Him into Eternity, as spiritual beings. Revelation 21 to 22

 

[michaelvpardo]

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Hebrews 9:27

 

[amigo de christo]

Just as JESUS told the man condemned , TODAY you will be with ME in paradise . That is what happens when a lamb breathes its last .
BUT woe wail the day when an unbeliever who rejected Christ breathes their last . Their next conscious moment , THEY WONT like .
TIME TO PREACH JESUS and the DIRE NECESSITY of BELIEVING IN HE ALONE .

 

[bbyrd009]

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord 2cor.5:8

no matter how often one says it, they cannot Quote that from the Bible, fwiw

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Just as JESUS told the man condemned , TODAY you will be with ME in paradise . That is what happens when a lamb breathes its last .
BUT woe wail the day when an unbeliever who rejected Christ breathes their last . Their next conscious moment , THEY WONT like .
TIME TO PREACH JESUS and the DIRE NECESSITY of BELIEVING IN HE ALONE .

If you're saying the man who died beside Jesus was in paradise that very day he died that's contradicting scripture. You're saying that Jesus didn't sleep in death for parts of three days, but scripture tells us that Jesus slept in death parts of three days then was resurrected by God. So Jesus couldn't have been saying to that man who died beside him that he would see him in paradise that very day that he died.

 

[Davy]

I don't watch videos, so what happened to Clint Walker, i assume is as many people have described in their Near Death Experiences. NDE's
All quite similar and the same pattern of the Light down a tunnel, Or the horrible devils waiting to torture them!

All such 'visions' are from Satan. His purpose is to fool people into thinking there is some kind of life after death.
But we Bible believing Christians should know better, as the Bible says: Life is given to each person, then to die and after that comes the Judgment. Hebrews 9:27 Adams soul will have been 'sleeping' for 7000 years before he stands before God at the GWT Judgment of all mankind. Rev 20:11-15

THEN, God's great Purpose for mankind will be fulfilled; He will have a people who freely chose to believe in Him and who kept His Commandments. They will go with Him into Eternity, as spiritual beings. Revelation 21 to 22

Like I've said many times, the 'dead in the ground' theory comes from old Jewish traditions, or actually assumptions, based on the Genesis 2:7 verse. Their belief is that the 'soul' is part of our flesh, and that our 'spirit' is only a force from God in all living things. Thus they believe when our flesh dies, so does our soul and our spirit.

But that is NOT what either The Old Testament, or The New Testament teaches.

Eccl 12:5-7
5 Also when they shall be afraid of that which is high, and fears shall be in the way, and the almond tree shall flourish, and the grasshopper shall be a burden, and desire shall fail: because man goeth to his long home, and the mourners go about the streets:

6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
KJV

Those ideas of a golden bowl or pitcher being broken is to symbolize the death of our flesh body. Along with that operation, there is a "silver cord" that is severed between our flesh and our spirit. Many Bible scholars interpret that "spirit" there to mean a force of life from God that is is in all living things, but it is simply the Hebrew equivalent to Greek pneuma or psuche which both are tied to the idea of the 'breath'.

So even the Old Testament taught that our soul is separated from our flesh body at flesh death...

1 Kings 17:21-22
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, "O LORD my God, I pray Thee, let this child's soul come into him again."

22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.
KJV

Lord Jesus confirmed this event at death of the soul leaving the flesh...

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

Apostle Peter also confirmed that our spirit with soul leaves our flesh body at flesh death and goes back to God in the heavenly dimension...

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

That was the Isaiah 42:7 prophecy that Lord Jesus would do that at His 1st coming. And He did that after His resurrection. Peter further confirms that Jesus was NOT preaching to demons, but to men that had died back to the flood...

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

So who made YOU judge and jury of the 'dead' flesh people of the past? That is actually what 1 Peter 4:5 is pointing to, that only Christ Jesus has Authority to Judge the quick (the living) and the dead. And of the dead Peter shows Jesus preached The Gospel to them so they might live according to God "in the spirit", meaning in that Heavenly dimension that exists today behind a veil.

Likewise in Luke 16, Lord Jesus would not have told that story about Lazarus and the rich man being taken to the different sides in Paradise where Abraham said there is a great fixed border, if no such place existed. Even in Luke 23:43 Jesus told the malefactor crucified with Him that he would be with Jesus that day in Paradise.

Then there's the 2 Corinthians 12 example that Apostle Paul gave, about one he knew that was "caught up" to Paradise, and heard unspeakable words not lawful to utter. Paul said he didn't know whether he was 'in the body', or 'out of the body', but that God knew. That is a prime example of Paul having had an NDE (near death experience), as Paul at one time was stoned and left dead (Acts 14:18).

So your old Jewish tradition you are holding to also rejects what Apostle Paul taught there about that. Will you then say Paul was seeing and speaking to demons and Satan caused that experience into Paradise too? Do you believe Paradise even exists??

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Davy said,
Like I've said many times, the 'dead in the ground' theory comes from old Jewish traditions, or actually assumptions, based on the Genesis 2:7 verse. Their belief is that the 'soul' is part of our flesh, and that our 'spirit' is only a force from God in all living things. Thus they believe when our flesh dies, so does our soul and our spirit.[/QUOTE\]

All I see that's being said here is that the scripture Genesis 2:7 itself is being ignored concerning what it actually says. Genesis 2:7 is teaching us that God took dust from the ground and formed it into a flesh and blood human body, then God blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body and when God blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body that flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.
People can ignore this here but they're ignoring what God inspired Moses to be written down.

Davy quoted,
Ecclesiastes 12:7, Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.[/QUOTE\]

It seems that those who quote Ecclesiastes 12:7 want people to believe that the spirit that's in humans is some living person separating from the human body. They however are ignoring what God inspired to be written down at Ecclesiastes 3:19 which says that the spirit that's in humans is the same spirit in animals. So just as there is no living soul in a animal body there is no living soul in a human body. The flesh and blood animal body is a living soul so also the flesh and blood human body is a living soul. So when the breath of life(spirit) leaves the flesh and blood body of an animal or human that animal is no longer a living soul or living animal and that human is no longer a living soul or living person. That animal no longer exists as a living soul or living animal and that human no longer exists as a living soul or living person.

Davy said,
1 Kings 17:21, 22:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, "O LORD my God, I pray Thee, let this child's soul come into him again."
22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Lord Jesus confirmed this event at death of the soul leaving the flesh...
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.[/QUOTE\]

1Kings 17:21,22 is teaching us that Elijah prayed to God to return the child's life back to him. Which God did. See the word soul in this scripture means life. Elijah wasn't praying that God put some invisible person back into the child, but to restore the child's life.

At Matthew 10:28 people completely ignore what this scripture is saying. The scriptures do not indicate that all the dead will be resurrected. Jesus implied this when he spoke of those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection of the dead at Luke 20:35. The possibility of eternal destruction for some is also indicated by the words of Jesus at Matthew10:28, this scripture says, "Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna." Regarding this scripture, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology which is edited by C.Brown, 1978 volume 3 page 304 says, "Matthew10:28 doesn't teach the potential immortality of the soul but instead the irreversibility of divine judgment on the unrepentant." Also Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament revised by F.W.Gingrich and F.Danker, 1979, page 95 gives the meaning eternal death with reference to the Greek phrase at Matthew 10:28 translated "destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." So being consigned to Gehenna refers to utter destruction from which no resurrection is possible. So Matthew 10:28 is teaching us that when it tells us to be in fear of him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna, this teaching us that god will judge some to be destroyed out of existence as a living soul or living person forever.

At 1 Peter 3:18-20 we have to remember that in these scriptures which were originally in Greek the words flesh and spirit are put in contrast with one another, and both are in the dative case; So if a translator translates 1Peter 3: 18, "by the flesh" he should translate it "by the Spirit." Or if the translator wants to translate it as, "in the flesh" he should also translate it as, "in the spirit".

So 1Peter 3:18 being translated, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit is inaccurate.

It should be translated one of two ways like: "1Peter 3:18- For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the Spirit, or it can be translated like,
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death by the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

To translate 1Peter 3:18 like, For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit is inaccurate and against Greek grammar of this scripture.

The New English Bible 1961 translates 1Peter 3:18, 19 as, "For Christ also died for our sins once for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit he was brought to life. And in the spirit he went and made his proclamation to the imprisoned spirits.” Newer or modern translations of the Bible read similarly.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you're saying the man who died beside Jesus was in paradise that very day he died that's contradicting scripture. You're saying that Jesus didn't sleep in death for parts of three days, but scripture tells us that Jesus slept in death parts of three days then was resurrected by God. So Jesus couldn't have been saying to that man who died beside him that he would see him in paradise that very day that he died.

Wrong barney . WHO can understand GODS TIMING . I tell us all that JESUS did not lie to that man .
HE was with JESUS the moment he left his body . THE thing is we cannot truly and fully grasp the TIME of GOD .
JESUS did sleep , in our time for three days . But our time is not GODS TIME .
The TIME o GOD has no beginning and it has no end . ITS a time that ALWAYS IS . This too is why many war
over what is called soul sleep and etc . YET i tell us all the moment one draws their last breath
they are present with the LORD. Its a time we cannot fully grasp . My advice is , LET us stay focused
on WINNING SOULS and preaching TRUTH while we are still here . CAUSE TIME as we KNOW IT
IS RUNNING OUT . JOHN saw the DAY OF THE LORD way back there almost two thousand years ago .
AND YET to us that time is still future . As i said its a time we cannot fully grasp . BUT KNOW IT ALWAYS IS , ALWAYS WAS
AND ALWAYS WILL BE . We have not yet experienced that entry into TIME , BUT ITS ALWAYS BEEN , ALWAYS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE .

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Wrong barney . WHO can understand GODS TIMING . I tell us all that JESUS did not lie to that man .
HE was with JESUS the moment he left his body . THE thing is we cannot truly and fully grasp the TIME of GOD .
JESUS did sleep , in our time for three days . But our time is not GODS TIME .
The TIME o GOD has no beginning and it has no end . ITS a time that ALWAYS IS . This too is why many war
over what is called soul sleep and etc . YET i tell us all the moment one draws their last breath
they are present with the LORD. Its a time we cannot fully grasp . My advice is , LET us stay focused
on WINNING SOULS and preaching TRUTH while we are still here . CAUSE TIME as we KNOW IT
IS RUNNING OUT . JOHN saw the DAY OF THE LORD way back there almost two thousand years ago .
AND YET to us that time is still future . As i said its a time we cannot fully grasp . BUT KNOW IT ALWAYS IS , ALWAYS WAS
AND ALWAYS WILL BE . We have not yet experienced that entry into TIME , BUT ITS ALWAYS BEEN , ALWAYS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE .

I care about what God inspired men to write down, and what God inspired men to write down is that Jesus was asleep in death for three days . So that man that died beside Jesus didn't go to paradise the very day he died, that's a scriptural fact. You want everyone to deny what God inspired men to write down, maybe many will agree with you and ignore what God inspired men to write down. The scriptures also tell us that the resurrection of the dead that begins after Jesus resurrection doesn't begin until the second presence of Jesus Christ. So either you believe scripture or you think what men say is more important than what God inspired men to write down. The point is, the scriptures are saying, that when the resurrection begins at the second presence of Jesus Christ sometime when those who are to be resurrected back on earth when earth is a paradise that man who died beside Jesus Christ will be resurrected.

 

[amigo de christo]

I care about what God inspired men to write down, and what God inspired men to write down is that Jesus was asleep in death for three days . So that man that died beside Jesus didn't go to paradise the very day he died, that's a scriptural fact. You want everyone to deny what God inspired men to write down, maybe many will agree with you and ignore what God inspired men to write down. The scriptures also tell us that the resurrection of the dead that begins after Jesus resurrection doesn't begin until the second presence of Jesus Christ. So either you believe scripture or you think what men say is more important than what God inspired men to write down. The point is, the scriptures are saying, that when the resurrection begins at the second presence of Jesus Christ sometime when those who are to be resurrected back on earth when earth is a paradise that man who died beside Jesus Christ will be resurrected.

Correct the ressurection did not occur till After JESUS rose from the dead .

 

[quietthinker]

What happens at Death?
Genesis 3:19
'By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return'.

 

[michaelvpardo]

no matter how often one says it, they cannot Quote that from the Bible, fwiw

Christina didn't format her verse correctly for the reference on this site, but try 2 Corinthians 5:8. It should be understood that the verse only applies to those who have believed the gospel and received Christ by faith.

 

[michaelvpardo]

If you're saying the man who died beside Jesus was in paradise that very day he died that's contradicting scripture. You're saying that Jesus didn't sleep in death for parts of three days, but scripture tells us that Jesus slept in death parts of three days then was resurrected by God. So Jesus couldn't have been saying to that man who died beside him that he would see him in paradise that very day that he died.

It's not a contradiction if death is an entrance to eternity for those who believe, but if you knew who Jesus is, you'd know that nothing is impossible for Him.
When we close our eyes, we will open them to Christ in judgment, either the judgment of the righteous or the great white throne judgment. That's the same day from a worldly perspective, but it could be a thousand years on the planet.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

It's not a contradiction if death is an entrance to eternity for those who believe, but if you knew who Jesus is, you'd know that nothing is impossible for Him.
When we close our eyes, we will open them to Christ in judgment, either the judgment of the righteous or the great white throne judgment. That's the same day from a worldly perspective, but it could be a thousand years on the planet.

The scriptures tell us Jesus slept in death for three days. The scriptures also say that those that will be resurrected after Jesus went into heaven will be resurrected during Jesus second presence. So the scriptures let us know that the man who died beside Jesus will be resurrected during the second presence of Jesus Christ. I'll listen to what the scriptures say because that's what God is telling us.

 

[Webers_Home]

.
Solomon was a very wise man; but not all-wise. According to Luke 11:31
and Colossians 2:3, Jesus' wisdom trumps Solomon's; so when it appears
that Solomon's afterlife views contradict Jesus, go with Jesus.

• John 3:31 . . He that comes from above is over all others.

• John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

• John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no
means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.

• Matthew 17:5 . . A voice from the cloud said: This is My son, whom I love;
with him I am well pleased. Listen to him.
_

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

.
Solomon was a very wise man; but not all-wise. According to Luke 11:31
and Colossians 2:3, Jesus' wisdom trumps Solomon's; so when it appears
that Solomon's afterlife views contradict Jesus, go with Jesus.

• John 3:31 . . He that comes from above is over all others.

• John 3:34 . . For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's
Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

• John 8:12 . . I am the light of the world. He that follows me will by no
means walk in darkness, but will possess the light of life.

• Matthew 17:5 . . A voice from the cloud said: This is My son, whom I love;
with him I am well pleased. Listen to him.
_

Jesus Christ didn't contradict anything Solomon said. Anyone saying they shouldn't listen to Solomon is telling people not to listen to God because everything that's in scripture is there because God inspired it to be written down. That includes everything that's in the scriptures concerning Solomon and what he said, because it's not Solomon who's saying it, it's God who's saying it. That's why they're called the inspired scriptures because God inspired men to write down his thoughts, not men's thoughts.

 

[Webers_Home]

.
Ecclesiastes is a difficult book to classify because although it's in the Bible,
it's not really all that theological. It's mostly a collection of Solomon's world
views rather than his spiritual knowledge.

Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal thinking
instead of religious dogma. Ecclesiastes requires very little interpretation as
anybody who's been around the block a time or two can easily relate to its
thoughts.

Solomon composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical
man who's understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical
evidence and the normal round of human experience. It's a handy book of
the Bible for showing that not all religious people are kooks with their heads
in the clouds and unable to see things as they are through the eyes of
normal people.

FAQ: Doesn't the apostle Paul say that all Scripture is God breathed?

REPLY: There is a difference between inspiration and dictation: and inspired
writings aren't necessarily inerrant.

Solomon was no doubt inspired to record his personal world view in the book
of Ecclesiastes, but we shouldn't assume his choice of words speak for God
the way Christ's do.

• John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

• John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

• John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.

In other words: Christ was far more than inspired, rather, he was micromanaged.
_

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

.
Ecclesiastes is a difficult book to classify because although it's in the Bible,
it's not really all that theological. It's mostly a collection of Solomon's world
views rather than his spiritual knowledge.

Ecclesiastes is the Bible's fun book because it's chock full of normal thinking
instead of religious dogma. Ecclesiastes requires very little interpretation as
anybody who's been around the block a time or two can easily relate to its
thoughts.

Solomon composed his comments from the perspective of a philosophical
man who's understanding of life and the hereafter is moderated by empirical
evidence and the normal round of human experience. It's a handy book of
the Bible for showing that not all religious people are kooks with their heads
in the clouds and unable to see things as they are through the eyes of
normal people.

FAQ: Doesn't the apostle Paul say that all Scripture is God breathed?

REPLY: There is a difference between inspiration and dictation: and inspired
writings aren't necessarily inerrant.

Solomon was no doubt inspired to record his personal world view in the book
of Ecclesiastes, but we shouldn't assume his choice of words speak for God
the way Christ's do.

• John 8:26 . .He that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things
which I have heard of Him.

• John 12:49 . . I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me,
He gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

• John 14:24 . .The word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who
sent me.

In other words: Christ was far more than inspired, rather, he was micromanage
_

I disagree with you. 2 Timothy 3:16,17 says all scripture is inspired by God. That means every book of the Bible is inspired by God, from Genesis to Revelation. I know there will be those that will disagree with that but that's being going on for centuries. Their are those who say Ecclesiastes is inspired of God and others that say it isn't. But as I said that's been going on for centuries. Every individual must make their choice what to believe. I will say this though, anyone who says, "inspired writings aren't necessarily inerrant." Well I'm not going to agree with that, and it seems to me that someone making a statement like that, is saying God can be wrong. God did inspire all the scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation and I don't think God inspired anything that was incorrect nor do I believe that God allowed a human being to write down his personal point of view of things.
Ecclesiastes advocates worship of the true God, and the teachings and principles in Ecclesiastes are entirely in harmony with the rest of the scriptures of the Bible.
Although numbering many accomplishments as vanity, the building of YHWH God's temple on Mount Moriah in Jerusalem, nor the pure worship of YHWH God are never considered vanity in Ecclesiastes nor is God's gift of life view as vanity but instead Ecclesiastes shows that God's gift of life was for the purpose of man's rejoicing and doing good. Ecclesiastes teaches us that the only calamitous occupations, are those that ignore the true God. Ecclesiastes and Jesus encourage true worshipers to congregate.(Matthew 18:20; Ecclesiastes 4:9-12; 5:1) Jesus comments on "the conclusion of the system of things" and "the appointed time of the nations" are in harmony with the statement in Ecclesiastes "for everything there is an appointed time, even a time for every affair under the heavens."(Matthew 24:3; Luke 21:24; Ecclesiastes 3:1)
Ecclesiastes, Jesus and his disciples teach us by warning us of the pitfalls of materialism. Ecclesiastes, Jesus and his disciples say Godly wisdom is the true protection, because it preserves alive it's owners. Ecclesiastes, and Jesus teach us to seek first the kingdom and his righteousness, and all these other things will be added to you.(Matthew 6:33; Ecclesiastes 7:12) Ecclesiastes 5:10 says, "A mere lover of silver will not be satisfied with silver, neither any lover of wealth with income. This too is vanity." This is very similar counsel given to us at 1 Timothy 6:6-19. There are similar parallel passages on other points in the scriptures. Like Ecclesiastes 3:17/Acts 17:31; Ecclesiastes 4:1/James 5:4; Ecclesiastes 5:1, 2/James 1:19; Ecclesiastes 6:12/James 4:14; Ecclesiastes 7:20/Romans 3:23; Ecclesiastes 8:17/Romans 11:33. So yes Ecclesiastes is inspired by God. It's not some human beings personal view point.

 

[BeyondET]

Skin cells can live up to a week after death or is it? Heart cells stay alive for about an hour, reason why it can live on in someone else's body.

 

[BeyondET]

Davy said,
Like I've said many times, the 'dead in the ground' theory comes from old Jewish traditions, or actually assumptions, based on the Genesis 2:7 verse. Their belief is that the 'soul' is part of our flesh, and that our 'spirit' is only a force from God in all living things. Thus they believe when our flesh dies, so does our soul and our spirit.[/QUOTE\]

All I see that's being said here is that the scripture Genesis 2:7 itself is being ignored concerning what it actually says. Genesis 2:7 is teaching us that God took dust from the ground and formed it into a flesh and blood human body, then God blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body and when God blew the breath of life(spirit) into that flesh and blood human body that flesh and blood human body became a living soul or living person.
People can ignore this here but they're ignoring what God inspired Moses to be written down.

Davy quoted,
Ecclesiastes 12:7, Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.[/QUOTE\]

It seems that those who quote Ecclesiastes 12:7 want people to believe that the spirit that's in humans is some living person separating from the human body. They however are ignoring what God inspired to be written down at Ecclesiastes 3:19 which says that the spirit that's in humans is the same spirit in animals. So just as there is no living soul in a animal body there is no living soul in a human body. The flesh and blood animal body is a living soul so also the flesh and blood human body is a living soul. So when the breath of life(spirit) leaves the flesh and blood body of an animal or human that animal is no longer a living soul or living animal and that human is no longer a living soul or living person. That animal no longer exists as a living soul or living animal and that human no longer exists as a living soul or living person.

Davy said,
1 Kings 17:21, 22:
21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, "O LORD my God, I pray Thee, let this child's soul come into him again."
22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Lord Jesus confirmed this event at death of the soul leaving the flesh...
Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.[/QUOTE\]

1Kings 17:21,22 is teaching us that Elijah prayed to God to return the child's life back to him. Which God did. See the word soul in this scripture means life. Elijah wasn't praying that God put some invisible person back into the child, but to restore the child's life.

At Matthew 10:28 people completely ignore what this scripture is saying. The scriptures do not indicate that all the dead will be resurrected. Jesus implied this when he spoke of those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection of the dead at Luke 20:35. The possibility of eternal destruction for some is also indicated by the words of Jesus at Matthew10:28, this scripture says, "Do not become fearful of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; but rather be in fear of him that can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna." Regarding this scripture, The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology which is edited by C.Brown, 1978 volume 3 page 304 says, "Matthew10:28 doesn't teach the potential immortality of the soul but instead the irreversibility of divine judgment on the unrepentant." Also Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament revised by F.W.Gingrich and F.Danker, 1979, page 95 gives the meaning eternal death with reference to the Greek phrase at Matthew 10:28 translated "destroy both soul and body in Gehenna." So being consigned to Gehenna refers to utter destruction from which no resurrection is possible. So Matthew 10:28 is teaching us that when it tells us to be in fear of him who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna, this teaching us that god will judge some to be destroyed out of existence as a living soul or living person forever.

At 1 Peter 3:18-20 we have to remember that in these scriptures which were originally in Greek the words flesh and spirit are put in contrast with one another, and both are in the dative case; So if a translator translates 1Peter 3: 18, "by the flesh" he should translate it "by the Spirit." Or if the translator wants to translate it as, "in the flesh" he should also translate it as, "in the spirit".

So 1Peter 3:18 being translated, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit is inaccurate.

It should be translated one of two ways like: "1Peter 3:18- For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened in the Spirit, or it can be translated like,
"For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death by the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit.

To translate 1Peter 3:18 like, For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit is inaccurate and against Greek grammar of this scripture.

The New English Bible 1961 translates 1Peter 3:18, 19 as, "For Christ also died for our sins once for all. He, the just, suffered for the unjust, to bring us to God. In the body he was put to death; in the spirit he was brought to life. And in the spirit he went and made his proclamation to the imprisoned spirits.” Newer or modern translations of the Bible read similarly.

While alot you said I agree, the odd part is cells are living in the flesh long after the heart stops, makes you wonder what part is actually not living anymore, skin cells live up to a week after a person dies.

Another interesting thing when a human is conceived there is a zinc spark flash of light at the exact moment of life, well beyond the tadpole.