What Is A Dispensation For? 2

[soul man]

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: - Ephesians 1:4.

When you have a dispensation you have a message from God. Each dispensation has It's own gospel, a gospel is the message for that time. A dispensation as we have talked about is the way God would handle people (particularly Israel) in that era of time. That dispensation had to have a message before we can consider it a dispensation. Dispensations are not written persay as when you read scripture that reads "this dispensation will be called promise or human government or law. It is not written that way but what is written is the way God handles people at a particular time in history. So what we can see written is a message change for every time era in history. That is where we get the word dispensation. Just like the word rapture it is not written but a pattern can be clearly seen. So most theologians and scholars agree on how to look at scripture and you can clearly see how God does things. Many disgruntled theologians will finally come to a conclusion that the believer can only know so much about God or their salvation and there is just a certain amount we can know about spiritual things, and when we all get to heaven we will know and not until then.

That sounds good but the problem is that is not what is written in the scriptures. The Bible says you can know (John 14:20) and it is available to know for all born again believers. We have available "the mind of Christ." Powerful truth for believers is; where brilliance ends Revelation begins. You cannot get taken up with man and his ideas as to what you are to know. You are to know exactly what it is your father has done and is doing in the world. It is called the plan and purpose of God, the glory of God is the plan and purpose that starts before anything was created. What is it with scriptures like "the suffering of this present time cannot be compared to the "Glory" which shall be revealed in you." Romans 8.

What is revealed in you " the plan of God before the foundations of the world." Ephesians 1. Salvation of spirit is not what is at issue here, the salvation of mind is what is at issue. Those that have been born again are a completed person, but a completed person needs to know that they are completed and how they were completed. Your understanding (revelation) of scripture will be what fixes you in mind. It is the life-line of the knowledge you have of all your father has done and is doing in and through creation including the world. When you understand what your father is doing in the world you are seeing the plan and purpose of God for creation. In other words you know why he created all things, you can see the reason for all things.

That dear friends is the peace of God (Christ in you) that passes all understand. Glory to God for he has created all things by a perfect plan and reason for all things. Ephesians 1:4. If you see evil in the world only you are missing out on the plan of God in effect. Some say "well we have a fall" yes but if it exsists whatever it is it is because our father allowed it and will use it. Nothing can stop the plan of God, read the dispensations as they're written. No need to go off on some allegorical trek through the word of God, stay with what is written and how it is written. The pattern is there for dispensations, look at the dispensation and see the difference in the message of each one. That will be your pattern in Christianity today as we live out the grace of God. The plan of God is not written persay in a numerical order, it is not written in some hidden language. It is written as clear as the nose on your face. It is just a cop out to say "we cannot know," you will know as it is revealed to you. Bless you.

 

[101G]

Another Good topic Soul man. and thanks for the commentary. I see no difference between the OT and the NT of Dispensation in that God have one plan and he is carrying it out in three stages or dispensation, or administrations. this is JUST ME, that the OT is the NT hidden, and the NT is the OT revealed. as you said this plan of God is revealed, and correct, we have the MIND of Christ to KNOW. and he has revealed this plan in in stages, or dispensation so that WE MAY "KNOW".

and to KNOW these things IN God is a JOY, this is why I have much fun in the word of God. because in God's plan of LOVE, there is NOTHING that can separate us from him, who IS "LOVE, for God is LOVE. and tha LOVE save us, which is his plan all along, 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

this is why we're in this dispensation of GRACE, not to argue with one another, but to persuade men. 2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
2 Corinthians 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."


PICJAG.

 

[Davy]

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: - Ephesians 1:4.

When you have a dispensation you have a message from God. Each dispensation has It's own gospel, a gospel is the message for that time. A dispensation as we have talked about is the way God would handle people (particularly Israel) in that era of time. That dispensation had to have a message before we can consider it a dispensation. Dispensations are not written persay as when you read scripture that reads "this dispensation will be called promise or human government or law. It is not written that way but what is written is the way God handles people at a particular time in history. So what we can see written is a message change for every time era in history. That is where we get the word dispensation. Just like the word rapture it is not written but a pattern can be clearly seen. So most theologians and scholars agree on how to look at scripture and you can clearly see how God does things. Many disgruntled theologians will finally come to a conclusion that the believer can only know so much about God or their salvation and there is just a certain amount we can know about spiritual things, and when we all get to heaven we will know and not until then.

That sounds good but the problem is that is not what is written in the scriptures. The Bible says you can know (John 14:20) and it is available to know for all born again believers. We have available "the mind of Christ." Powerful truth for believers is; where brilliance ends Revelation begins. You cannot get taken up with man and his ideas as to what you are to know. You are to know exactly what it is your father has done and is doing in the world. It is called the plan and purpose of God, the glory of God is the plan and purpose that starts before anything was created. What is it with scriptures like "the suffering of this present time cannot be compared to the "Glory" which shall be revealed in you." Romans 8.

What is revealed in you " the plan of God before the foundations of the world." Ephesians 1. Salvation of spirit is not what is at issue here, the salvation of mind is what is at issue. Those that have been born again are a completed person, but a completed person needs to know that they are completed and how they were completed. Your understanding (revelation) of scripture will be what fixes you in mind. It is the life-line of the knowledge you have of all your father has done and is doing in and through creation including the world. When you understand what your father is doing in the world you are seeing the plan and purpose of God for creation. In other words you know why he created all things, you can see the reason for all things.

That dear friends is the peace of God (Christ in you) that passes all understand. Glory to God for he has created all things by a perfect plan and reason for all things. Ephesians 1:4. If you see evil in the world only you are missing out on the plan of God in effect. Some say "well we have a fall" yes but if it exsists whatever it is it is because our father allowed it and will use it. Nothing can stop the plan of God, read the dispensations as they're written. No need to go off on some allegorical trek through the word of God, stay with what is written and how it is written. The pattern is there for dispensations, look at the dispensation and see the difference in the message of each one. That will be your pattern in Christianity today as we live out the grace of God. The plan of God is not written persay in a numerical order, it is not written in some hidden language. It is written as clear as the nose on your face. It is just a cop out to say "we cannot know," you will know as it is revealed to you. Bless you.

I guess an understanding that there was a world before this present one would definitely confuse those in love with men's dispensationalist theories.

 

[soul man]

Another Good topic Soul man. and thanks for the commentary. I see no difference between the OT and the NT of Dispensation in that God have one plan and he is carrying it out in three stages or dispensation, or administrations. this is JUST ME, that the OT is the NT hidden, and the NT is the OT revealed. as you said this plan of God is revealed, and correct, we have the MIND of Christ to KNOW. and he has revealed this plan in in stages, or dispensation so that WE MAY "KNOW".

and to KNOW these things IN God is a JOY, this is why I have much fun in the word of God. because in God's plan of LOVE, there is NOTHING that can separate us from him, who IS "LOVE, for God is LOVE. and tha LOVE save us, which is his plan all along, 1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

this is why we're in this dispensation of GRACE, not to argue with one another, but to persuade men. 2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
2 Corinthians 5:11 "Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences."


PICJAG.

Yes but you have to factor in the cross. There was nothing provided like the cross in OT, no born again. That alone has to cause a believer to dig in and see what is happening after the cross.

 

[soul man]

I guess an understanding that there was a world before this present one would definitely confuse those in love with men's dispensationalist theories.

It does not matter because we live in the now and need the understanding of how to live by another in us now. So the past is exactly like that the past

 

[farouk]

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: - Ephesians 1:4.

When you have a dispensation you have a message from God. Each dispensation has It's own gospel, a gospel is the message for that time. A dispensation as we have talked about is the way God would handle people (particularly Israel) in that era of time. That dispensation had to have a message before we can consider it a dispensation. Dispensations are not written persay as when you read scripture that reads "this dispensation will be called promise or human government or law. It is not written that way but what is written is the way God handles people at a particular time in history. So what we can see written is a message change for every time era in history. That is where we get the word dispensation. Just like the word rapture it is not written but a pattern can be clearly seen. So most theologians and scholars agree on how to look at scripture and you can clearly see how God does things. Many disgruntled theologians will finally come to a conclusion that the believer can only know so much about God or their salvation and there is just a certain amount we can know about spiritual things, and when we all get to heaven we will know and not until then.

That sounds good but the problem is that is not what is written in the scriptures. The Bible says you can know (John 14:20) and it is available to know for all born again believers. We have available "the mind of Christ." Powerful truth for believers is; where brilliance ends Revelation begins. You cannot get taken up with man and his ideas as to what you are to know. You are to know exactly what it is your father has done and is doing in the world. It is called the plan and purpose of God, the glory of God is the plan and purpose that starts before anything was created. What is it with scriptures like "the suffering of this present time cannot be compared to the "Glory" which shall be revealed in you." Romans 8.

What is revealed in you " the plan of God before the foundations of the world." Ephesians 1. Salvation of spirit is not what is at issue here, the salvation of mind is what is at issue. Those that have been born again are a completed person, but a completed person needs to know that they are completed and how they were completed. Your understanding (revelation) of scripture will be what fixes you in mind. It is the life-line of the knowledge you have of all your father has done and is doing in and through creation including the world. When you understand what your father is doing in the world you are seeing the plan and purpose of God for creation. In other words you know why he created all things, you can see the reason for all things.

That dear friends is the peace of God (Christ in you) that passes all understand. Glory to God for he has created all things by a perfect plan and reason for all things. Ephesians 1:4. If you see evil in the world only you are missing out on the plan of God in effect. Some say "well we have a fall" yes but if it exsists whatever it is it is because our father allowed it and will use it. Nothing can stop the plan of God, read the dispensations as they're written. No need to go off on some allegorical trek through the word of God, stay with what is written and how it is written. The pattern is there for dispensations, look at the dispensation and see the difference in the message of each one. That will be your pattern in Christianity today as we live out the grace of God. The plan of God is not written persay in a numerical order, it is not written in some hidden language. It is written as clear as the nose on your face. It is just a cop out to say "we cannot know," you will know as it is revealed to you. Bless you.

@soul man It all goes back really to the nature of revelation. The OT has so many promises; then those promises are revealed in Christ in the NT; and so the stage of revelation moved on. It would be odd if God's dealings with mankind stayed on the basis of a partial, previous order of things, wouldn't it?

 

[farouk]

It does not matter because we live in the now and need the understanding of how to live by another in us now. So the past is exactly like that the past

@soul man We are not in 'sundry times and in divers manners' now, but rather in these 'last days' (Hebrews 1), having been spoken to by God in His beloved Son, fully revealed in the NT.

 

[soul man]

@soul man It all goes back really to the nature of revelation. The OT has so many promises; then those promises are revealed in Christ in the NT; and so the stage of revelation moved on. It would be odd if God's dealings with mankind stayed on the basis of a partial, previous order of things, wouldn't it?

Yes it does but you know most of the promises are to Israel. The one thing you don't see prophesied is God going to birth his own children. It was not known until Paul, even Jesus didn't say anything about it other than you must be born again. That is the mystery of Christ in you the hope of glory. Good points thanks.

 

[charity]

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world,
that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: -
Ephesians 1:4.

When you have a dispensation you have a message from God. Each dispensation has It's own gospel, a gospel is the message for that time. A dispensation as we have talked about is the way God would handle people (particularly Israel) in that era of time. That dispensation had to have a message before we can consider it a dispensation. Dispensations are not written persay as when you read scripture that reads "this dispensation will be called promise or human government or law. It is not written that way but what is written is the way God handles people at a particular time in history. So what we can see written is a message change for every time era in history. That is where we get the word dispensation. Just like the word rapture it is not written but a pattern can be clearly seen. So most theologians and scholars agree on how to look at scripture and you can clearly see how God does things. Many disgruntled theologians will finally come to a conclusion that the believer can only know so much about God or their salvation and there is just a certain amount we can know about spiritual things, and when we all get to heaven we will know and not until then.

That sounds good but the problem is that is not what is written in the scriptures. The Bible says you can know (John 14:20) and it is available to know for all born again believers. We have available "the mind of Christ." Powerful truth for believers is; where brilliance ends Revelation begins. You cannot get taken up with man and his ideas as to what you are to know. You are to know exactly what it is your father has done and is doing in the world. It is called the plan and purpose of God, the glory of God is the plan and purpose that starts before anything was created. What is it with scriptures like "the suffering of this present time cannot be compared to the "Glory" which shall be revealed in you." Romans 8.

What is revealed in you " the plan of God before the foundations of the world." Ephesians 1. Salvation of spirit is not what is at issue here, the salvation of mind is what is at issue. Those that have been born again are a completed person, but a completed person needs to know that they are completed and how they were completed. Your understanding (revelation) of scripture will be what fixes you in mind. It is the life-line of the knowledge you have of all your father has done and is doing in and through creation including the world. When you understand what your father is doing in the world you are seeing the plan and purpose of God for creation. In other words you know why he created all things, you can see the reason for all things.

That dear friends is the peace of God (Christ in you) that passes all understand. Glory to God for he has created all things by a perfect plan and reason for all things. Ephesians 1:4. If you see evil in the world only you are missing out on the plan of God in effect. Some say "well we have a fall" yes but if it exists, whatever it is, it is because our father allowed it and will use it. Nothing can stop the plan of God, read the dispensations as they're written. No need to go off on some allegorical trek through the word of God, stay with what is written and how it is written. The pattern is there for dispensations, look at the dispensation and see the difference in the message of each one. That will be your pattern in Christianity today as we live out the grace of God. The plan of God is not written per-say in a numerical order, it is not written in some hidden language. It is written as clear as the nose on your face. It is just a cop out to say "we cannot know," you will know as it is revealed to you. Bless you.

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2 Timothy 2:15)

Hello @soul man,

In attempting to answer the question posed by your subject heading, 'What is a dispensation for?' I should have to begin by pointing to 2 Timothy 2 :15, and the need to 'rightly divide' the word of truth. Why? Because we desire to show ourselves approved unto God, as a workman that needs not to be ashamed, and that requires that we rightly divide the word of truth, and walk worthy of the Truth which has been revealed for the dispensation that we find ourselves in.

* In this present dispensation, salvation has been sent to the Gentiles (ie., nations) as we see from Acts 28:28: and believers are therefore no longer grafted into Israel's Olive Tree, which is representative of Israel's covenant privileges. For Israel is now in a Lo'ammi condition, (ie., 'not my People'), and the new covenant with it's blessings is at present in abeyance. Believers therefore of both Jewish origin, or of the Nations, are joined together 'in Christ' as a joint body, with Christ as it's head; and 'brought nigh' to God by the blood of Christ: being members of His household as fellow-citizens with the saints; having the sonship spirit, which ensures their resurrection as Sons of God and potentially joint heirs with Christ. Praise God!

* That being so, for us to take what was applicable under a previous administration (or dispensation) and seek to apply it to this present unique dispensation would clearly bring confusion, and mar the truth of what God has revealed for believers within this present dispensation. Or if we were to take what is revealed concerning a future dispensation and apply it to this present one it would have the same blinding consequence. Making it impossible to discern Gods will and purpose for this present dispensation.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[soul man]

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2 Timothy 2:15)

Hello @soul man,

In attempting to answer the question posed by your subject heading, 'What is a dispensation for?' I should have to begin by pointing to 2 Timothy 2 :15, and the need to 'rightly divide' the word of truth. Why? Because we desire to show ourselves approved unto God, as a workman that needs not to be ashamed, and that requires that we rightly divide the word of truth, according to the dispensation we find ourselves in.

In this present dispensation, salvation has been sent to the Gentiles (ie., nations), and believers are therefore no longer grafted into Israel's Olive Tree, which is representative of Israel's covenant privileges. For Israel is now in a Lo'ammi condition, (ie., 'not my People'), and the new covenant with it's blessings are at present in abeyance. Believers therefore of both Jewish origin, or of the Nations, are joined together 'in Christ' as a joint body, with Christ as it's head; and 'brought nigh' to God by the blood of Christ: being members of His household as fellow-citizens with the saints; having the sonship spirit, which ensures their resurrection as Sons of God and joint heirs with Christ.

That being so, for us to take what was applicable under a previous administration (or dispensation) and seek to apply it to this present unique dispensation would clearly bring confusion, and mar the truth of what God has revealed for believers within this present dispensation. Or if we were to take what is revealed concerning a future dispensation and apply it to this present one it would have the same blinding consequence. Making it impossible to discern God will and purpose for this present dispensation.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

Thank you Chris, I have looked at exactly what you are saying for some time now. What a truth!

 

[soul man]

'Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.'
(2 Timothy 2:15)

Hello @soul man,

In attempting to answer the question posed by your subject heading, 'What is a dispensation for?' I should have to begin by pointing to 2 Timothy 2 :15, and the need to 'rightly divide' the word of truth. Why? Because we desire to show ourselves approved unto God, as a workman that needs not to be ashamed, and that requires that we rightly divide the word of truth, and walk worthy of the Truth which has been revealed for the dispensation that we find ourselves in.

In this present dispensation, salvation has been sent to the Gentiles (ie., nations) as we see from Acts 28:28: and believers are therefore no longer grafted into Israel's Olive Tree, which is representative of Israel's covenant privileges. For Israel is now in a Lo'ammi condition, (ie., 'not my People'), and the new covenant with it's blessings is at present in abeyance. Believers therefore of both Jewish origin, or of the Nations, are joined together 'in Christ' as a joint body, with Christ as it's head; and 'brought nigh' to God by the blood of Christ: being members of His household as fellow-citizens with the saints; having the sonship spirit, which ensures their resurrection as Sons of God and joint heirs with Christ.

That being so, for us to take what was applicable under a previous administration (or dispensation) and seek to apply it to this present unique dispensation would clearly bring confusion, and mar the truth of what God has revealed for believers within this present dispensation. Or if we were to take what is revealed concerning a future dispensation and apply it to this present one it would have the same blinding consequence. Making it impossible to discern God will and purpose for this present dispensation.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

A friend of mine that I studied with from time to time taught me dividing the word of truth. It really opens up a new understanding for believers.

 

[charity]

Thank you Chris, I have looked at exactly what you are saying for some time now. What a truth!

A friend of mine that I studied with from time to time taught me dividing the word of truth. It really opens up a new understanding for believers.

Hello @soul man,

I am so glad to hear that.

Yes, Praise God! Rightly dividing the word of Truth is a liberating principle (2 Timothy 2:15). It reveals the ways that God has spoken in ages past, and what He has revealed for this present dispensation of grace in which we live. It helps us to 'try the things that are excellent' (or 'that differ) (Philippians 1:10), and discern what God's will is regarding a walk, that is worthy of the calling into which we, in this dispensation, are called.

The prayers of Paul, in Ephesians, especially the first in chapter one, in which he prays for 'the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him', are vital to our being able to acknowledge the truth that the prison epistles have to reveal concerning God's will in regard to the Church which is the Body of Christ, it's hope and it's blessings, and it's sphere of operation. For these are unsearchable riches indeed: having been 'hid in God' (Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:26) since the world began; so not to be found by searching either the Old Testament Scriptures, the Gospels, the general epistles, or the earlier epistles of Paul; only in *the prison epistles can this knowledge be found, read and acknowledged on the basis of Romans 5:12-8:39.

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

* Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon.

 

[charity]

Yes it does but you know most of the promises are to Israel. The one thing you don't see prophesied is God going to birth his own children. It was not known until Paul, even Jesus didn't say anything about it other than you must be born again. That is the mystery of Christ in you the hope of glory. Good points thanks.

Hello @soul man

Christ in, or among the saints, was unheard of before: that is their hope of glory. No longer were they dependent on sharing the covenant privileges of Israel, but had the hope of glory among themselves, both individual Jew and Gentile believer, in the person of Christ Jesus, their risen and glorified Lord. For salvation had been sent to the Gentiles (ie., nations) Acts 28:28.

* Ephesians 3 tells of two mysteries, 'The Mystery of Christ' which had been the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and the other Scriptures, so was not 'unsearchable', but was revealed to Christ's apostles and prophets by the Spirit: and 'The Mystery', 'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel: ... ' (Eph 3:6), this was indeed, 'unsearchable', having been 'hid in God' since the world began, and revealed to Paul alone, as the Steward of this Mystery (Ephesaisn 3:7-9) concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head (Colossians 1:25-28 & Ephesians 6:19).

* This message was rejected, and Paul was 'turned away' from, as we read in his last epistle (2 Timothy 1:14-15). Timothy had that form of sound words entrusted to Him by Paul, and was told to hold it fast, and 'keep' it by the Holy Ghost which indwelt them both. For this is what God would have made known to believers in the Lord Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:27).

Praise God!

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Davy]

It does not matter because we live in the now and need the understanding of how to live by another in us now. So the past is exactly like that the past

As it is said, 'those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it'.

One of the things God does in His Word is to remind us and teach us about the past. We can't even go through The New Testament Books without constantly being reminded of things written of in The Old Testament Books.

2 Peter 3:1-2
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
KJV

That's a New Testament command by Apostle Peter to all Christians, by the way.

Matt 13:51-52
51 Jesus saith unto them, "Have ye understood all these things?" They say unto Him, "Yea, Lord."
52 Then said He unto them, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
KJV

We are not to stay stuck in only one part of God's Word. We are to discipline ourselves to get a working knowledge in all of it (2 Timothy 2:15). There are still many things written in the Old Testament prophets that have yet to come to pass to this day. So preachers that say we have no need to study all of God's Word were not 'sent' by our Heavenly Father. Those instead are 'hirelings', using their position to make a living, like parasites living off the good intentions of the congregation. In time, they will have their reward.

 

[charity]

As it is said, 'those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it'.

One of the things God does in His Word is to remind us and teach us about the past. We can't even go through The New Testament Books without constantly being reminded of things written of in The Old Testament Books.

2 Peter 3:1-2
3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
KJV

That's a New Testament command by Apostle Peter to all Christians, by the way.

Matt 13:51-52
51 Jesus saith unto them, "Have ye understood all these things?" They say unto Him, "Yea, Lord."
52 Then said He unto them, "Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."
KJV

We are not to stay stuck in only one part of God's Word. We are to discipline ourselves to get a working knowledge in all of it (2 Timothy 2:15). There are still many things written in the Old Testament prophets that have yet to come to pass to this day. So preachers that say we have no need to study all of God's Word were not 'sent' by our Heavenly Father. Those instead are 'hirelings', using their position to make a living, like parasites living off the good intentions of the congregation. In time, they will have their reward.

'All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
throughly furnished unto all good works.'
(2 Timothy 3:16-17)

Hello @dave,

Yes all of the Word of God is FOR us, but not all is ABOUT us.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[farouk]

A friend of mine that I studied with from time to time taught me dividing the word of truth. It really opens up a new understanding for believers.

@soul man Really good and important to know what a passage is about and who it is speaking to and about; church, Israel, etc.

 

[soul man]

Hello @soul man

Christ in, or among the saints, was unheard of before: that is their hope of glory. No longer were they dependent on sharing the covenant privileges of Israel, but had the hope of glory among themselves, both individual Jew and Gentile believer, in the person of Christ Jesus, their risen and glorified Lord. For salvation had been sent to the Gentiles (ie., nations) Acts 28:28.

* Ephesians 3 tells of two mysteries, 'The Mystery of Christ' which had been the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, and the other Scriptures, so was not 'unsearchable', but was revealed to Christ's apostles and prophets by the Spirit: and 'The Mystery', 'That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel: ... ' (Eph 3:6), this was indeed, 'unsearchable', having been 'hid in God' since the world began, and revealed to Paul alone, as the Steward of this Mystery (Ephesaisn 3:7-9) concerning the church which is the Body of Christ, of which He is the Head (Colossians 1:25-28 & Ephesians 6:19).

* This message was rejected, and Paul was 'turned away' from, as we read in his last epistle (2 Timothy 1:14-15). Timothy had that form of sound words entrusted to Him by Paul, and was told to hold it fast, and 'keep' it by the Holy Ghost which indwelt them both. For this is what God would have made known to believers in the Lord Jesus Christ (Colossians 1:27).

Praise God!

Thank you
With love in Christ Jesus
Chris

Very good sound word, thank you for that. Timothy was like a son to Paul, he considered Timothy his son because of the gospel he preached to him. Romans 16:25 will always be the anthem to the born again as far as receiving the message of God which had been hid in him. I see that as the Lord beginning to move out of the old way of doing things into a new and completely different message to the born again. This message starts before the foundations of the world, it didn't start with Satan getting thrown out of heaven, or the fall, or even Moses. Before the foundations of the world. Glory to God.

 

[soul man]

@soul man Really good and important to know what a passage is about and who it is speaking to and about; church, Israel, etc.

Absultely dear friend! proper division of scripture and of soul and spirit, is a must. Believers cannot see what their father is doing or has done without rightly dividing.

 

[soul man]

@soul man We are not in 'sundry times and in divers manners' now, but rather in these 'last days' (Hebrews 1), having been spoken to by God in His beloved Son, fully revealed in the NT.

There has never been written a more clear message of how we are to live now, and how the father speaks to the beloved he has birthed.

 

[farouk]

There has never been written a more clear message of how we are to live now, and how the father speaks to the beloved he has birthed.

@soul man I do believe He is the eternal Son, with an eternal throne...