What is New Testament Faith?

[mailmandan]

It doesn't matter one iota what someone wrongly believes it matter what the truth is and that comes from Scripture not false religions, false relsigious leaders and false prophets. Hinduism is a false religion that sends its followers to hell. What makes Christianity different from the other religions of the world ?

1. Every other religion teaches us to earn our way to God.​

2. Other religions have systems of rules to appease their god. Christianity is a relationship with God.​

3. No other religion has an empty tomb.​

4- No other religion has inspired writings from God

Amen! James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value. James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. There is nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with "impure and defiled religion."

Christianity is not about just "another" religion, but a relationship with Jesus Christ. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Only Christianity (and not other religions) offers this. There is only ONE way to God and that is ONLY through Jesus Christ. (John 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12)

 

[Episkopos]

Amen! James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value. James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. There is nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with "impure and defiled religion."

Christianity is not about just "another" religion, but a relationship with Jesus Christ. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Only Christianity (and not other religions) offers this. There is only ONE way to God and that is ONLY through Jesus Christ. (John 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12)

You are proving that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Most people's idea of a relationship with God is a relationship with a book...the bible. That's as far as it goes for most people. And people will be dishonest in order to perpetuate the indoctrination they have received that promises them eternal life for a temporal life lived in religious iniquity. They are taught that such dishonesty is equivalent to honouring God. Well, we were warned by Jesus Himself how many will be rejected who claim Him as their Lord.

To know Christ in truth is to enter into Christ right now and walk in the power of His resurrection life that is without sin. That's on the level of actually knowing God and not just perpetuating a religious caricature of Him.

I think most middle-class Western bourgeois believers have a relation-sleep with God...not a relationship.

 

[MatthewG]

I have to agree in some sense with @Episkopos


It seems people deem what is right or wrong based on their perception.


The only thing that is known - is Sin is paid for, and people can see nature - even through their religious things they may do.


and no one can tell if they actually express faith towards God or not - depsite the dispostion


God is gonna take in account of anyones life, good or bad all secrets revealed ,


when naked standing before him in judgement leaving the body


Did they have faith - was God really working in the life of people who are hindus who try to seekout the truth and worship God from the heart?

not just in outward expression.



@Christophany

 

[MatthewG]

I believe


Hindus,

Buddist,

Mulisms,


Mormons,

Jehovah Witness,




There are literally Chrisitans with-in these places but perhaps they just do not know they are Christian, and do the religious duties but they love God and love others....




Yes, there are many gods, but nothing like worshiping hte True God




THAT CREATED YOU


AND YOU REALIZE IT

FROM THE HEART



BUT ONLY GODS SEE THAT



people just say


no no no cant be no no uhhuh!


no impossible for God to win.

 

[MatthewG]

bible says this

bible says that.

God more powerful than that bible... -.-

And he gives his spirit FREE

OF CHARGE

- by those who have faith, and seek him

but people are blind to this notion due to religiosity.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The OT is for Jews/ Israel and the NT for everyone. The law was for Israel and the Gentiles in the NT are not under the law.

How can you make a statement like this bro?

Surely you have a Bible with both testaments in it?

Or do you have a New Testament Bible only?

“But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.” (1 Corinthians 10:5-6)

“…whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@MatthewG

Are we abusing the “return” bar a little…

 

[Johann]

You are proving that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

Most people's idea of a relationship with God is a relationship with a book...the bible. That's as far as it goes for most people. And people will be dishonest in order to perpetuate the indoctrination they have received that promises them eternal life for a temporal life lived in religious iniquity. They are taught that such dishonesty is equivalent to honouring God. Well, we were warned by Jesus Himself how many will be rejected who claim Him as their Lord.

To know Christ in truth is to enter into Christ right now and walk in the power of His resurrection life that is without sin. That's on the level of actually knowing God and not just perpetuating a religious caricature of Him.

I find this to be true-

Studying sacred texts was a central part of ancient Judaism. Jewish scribes meticulously copied the biblical text and developed detailed interpretations.
The study of Scripture or Torah was the highest ideal in rabbinic Judaism.

The Mishnah records the late first century bc rabbi Shammai saying, “Make your study of Torah a fixed habit” (Mishnah, Pirqei Avot 1:15).

Also, the first century ad rabbi Yohanan ben Zakkai said, “If you have studied much Torah, don’t think too much of yourself because you were created for that purpose” (Mishnah Pirqei Avot 2:8).



Jesus asserts that their extensive learning is of no value since they have misunderstood how the Scriptures testify to Him.

ye search the Scriptures. All the verbs on either side are in the indicative; and more especially the one with which it is so closely connected, οὐ θέλετε. Ye search the Scriptures, and (instead of their leading you to Me) ye are not willing to come to Me.

The tragic tone once more: see on Joh_1:5. The reproach lies not in their searching, but in their searching to so little purpose.

Jewish study of the Scriptures was too often learned trifling and worse; obscuring the text by frivolous interpretations, ‘making it of none effect’ by unholy traditions. Ὑμιε͂ς is emphatic: because ye are the people who think.

Not that they were wrong in thinking that eternal life was contained in the Scriptures: their error was in thinking that by their dissection of them, letter by letter, they had found it. They had scrutinised with the utmost minuteness the written word (γραφαί), and missed the living word (λόγος) which spoke of the Messiah; ἐκεῖναι (Joh_1:8; Joh_1:18), precisely they, the very books ye study so diligently-

A warning for us, mere accumulative head knowledge is not enough-it is the obeying of the God of the Imperatives as recorded in Scriptures.

Shalom brother.
Johann.

 

[Episkopos]

How can you make a statement like this bro?

Surely you have a Bible with both testaments in it?

Or do you have a New Testament Bible only?

“But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.” (1 Corinthians 10:5-6)

“…whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

It's called "dispensationalism" . And C also is a cessationist....and no doubt in need of an intervention.

 

[Johann]

It's called "dispensationalism" . And C also is a cessationist....and no doubt in need of an intervention.

Care to elaborate on what you believe since you are not a cessationist?

 

[ChristisGod]

Amen! James 1:26 - If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless. This man's religion is vain, empty, devoid of power, lacking in content, nonproductive, dead and of no eternal value. James 1:27 - Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. There is nothing wrong with "pure and undefiled religion" but there is certainly something wrong with "impure and defiled religion."

Christianity is not about just "another" religion, but a relationship with Jesus Christ. John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Him, not merely theoretical knowledge. Only Christianity (and not other religions) offers this. There is only ONE way to God and that is ONLY through Jesus Christ. (John 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12)

Amen brother

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's called "dispensationalism"

I will never understand, for the life of me, how anyone can fall for the Mickey Mouse cartoon-like visual presentation of “Dispensationalism”.

It’s soo obviously a foolish, assumption filled, reasoning of scripture - like a number coded coloring book…

It appeals to our eyes and our vain receptors…

“Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.” (Ezekiel 20:24)

 

[ChristisGod]

How can you make a statement like this bro?

Surely you have a Bible with both testaments in it?

Or do you have a New Testament Bible only?

“But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.” (1 Corinthians 10:5-6)

“…whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.” (Romans 15:4)

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2 Timothy 3:16-17)

I’m not under the law or the OT. The whole book of Hebrews makes that point .

 

[MatthewG]

People

do what they want.

Nothing in life matter as much as


faith and love because doctrines dont mean jack anything if they lead to having - NON love.

 

[MatthewG]

That means your judgemental opinion of others, needs to be taken and shaken down to the ground. Even my own.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus said dont judge.


Yea you judge for yourself what is right or wrong - but God is the judge of your soul and life you live.

Which one is more to fear?


The man or God himself that created you?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I’m not under the law or the OT. The whole book of Hebrews makes that point .

Well I’m with the Apostle Paul:

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

And if you bring up Galatians, Paul was telling them to not do these particulars in the law:

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.” (Galatians 4:10-11)

And this:

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2)

Paul wasn’t telling them to ignore the law in its entirety regarding the instructions for behavior. Neither in the book of Hebrews.

It’s absurd to think or assume otherwise.

 

[Episkopos]

I will never understand, for the life of me, how anyone can fall for the Mickey Mouse cartoon-like visual presentation of “Dispensationalism”.

It’s soo obviously a foolish, assumption filled, reasoning of scripture - like a number coded coloring book…

It appeals to our eyes and our vain receptors…

“Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.” (Ezekiel 20:24)

Part of my purpose here is to diagnose what is happening to modern Christendom...by way of understanding the false doctrines and what fuels the religious attitudes we see posing as "the righteousness of God" .....of all things. Even the Pharisees only thought they were just plain old righteous. What kind of scheme has convinced people to claim God's own righteousness...is beyond me.

As for Dispensationalism...it is a scheme to ignore both righteousness....AND holiness. Instead we can now listen to Luther's take on Paul...which of course is way off the mark. But no matter. Wherever we see the flesh masquerading as spirit...Dispensationalism is there to give a helping hand. O yes, and Cessationism is there as a helper to deny the power of the Spirit.

A lovely bunch of coconuts. :

 

[Episkopos]

Care to elaborate on what you believe since you are not a cessationist?

If there is a real spiritual life going on...gifts of the Spirit will emerge. They will follow, like signs, those who are spiritual in Christ.

Of course these can be faked.

The sign of our times is the lack of spiritual life. And a lack of the faith OF Christ. The modern gospel is about justifying the flesh.

When the Son of Man returns will He find faith on the earth? He will find a LOT of human beliefs about Him...opinions, doctrinal slants, theologies, theories....but faith? Not so much.

 

[MatthewG]

It would be a hell of a lot less wasted time @mailmandan


I need a ban...