Eternally Grateful
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Amen
they were to rest from their work of trying to enter the promised land, and let God take care of them. But they refused, and kept
What Is "Salvation" In 1 Corinthians 10?
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they were to rest from their work of trying to enter the promised land, and let God take care of them. But they refused, and kept
I invite you to substantiate your heretofore empty claim that I'm guilty of doing that.
Think if I said the same of you: you're misapplying things Paul teaches.
Would you agree merely because I said it?
Eternally Grateful
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No
they forfeited it because they did nto believe
He who BELIEVES is nto condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already
they did nto believe so they never entered his rest.
Do you believe the OT faithful were born again?
And . . . does this mean you believe you no longer sin?
Much love!
They weren't trying to enter the promised land, they were sinning against God, disobeying His commands.
That was the definition of not resting--not obeying God.
It's not relevant, because that's not Paul's point--Paul's point is that they experienced what was a type and shadow of the true reality we are experiencing today, and this was so that we could learn from their errors and not make the same errors so we don't face the reality of the consequences which they faced in type and shadow.
Exactly!
Hebrews 4:1-5 KJV
1) Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2) For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5) And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
No one is "kicked out" of God's rest. You either enter it, or you don't.
Much love!
Eternally Grateful
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The did not enter because they did nto believe
they sinned because they did nto believe.
Stop focusing on sin, and focus on the savior.
Have you entered his rest? it does not appear to me like you have, your still trying to work.
Nope, if belief was all you needed, then all those Jews who believed, but would not confess Christ, because they loved sin, the praise of men, more than the praise of God, would have been saved. Again, you not only misunderstand Paul but are also misunderstanding John.
John 12
42Nevertheless, many even of the authorities believed in him, but for fear of the Pharisees they did not confess it, so that they would not be put out of the synagogue;
Eternally Grateful
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No
because those people did not believe// because they loved sin, the praise of men
You apparently are unacquainted with the reference material Hebrews is dealing with--they kept on disobeying God in the wilderness. That was their "unbelief". Their disobedience. All those who "believed" God, spoken of in Hebrews 11, were DOING things God wanted.
Hebrews 11
8By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, without knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the promised land as a stranger in a foreign country. He lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. 10For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
11By faith Sarah, even though she was barren and beyond the proper age, was enabled to conceive a child, because she considered Him faithful who had promised. 12And so from one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
13All these people died in faith, without having received the things they were promised. However, they saw them and welcomed them from afar. And they acknowledged that they were strangers and exiles on the earth.
14Now those who say such things show that they are seeking a country of their own. 15If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. 16Instead, they were longing for a better country, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
17By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac on the altar. He who had received the promises was ready to offer his one and only son,c 18even though God had said to him, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”d 19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and in a sense, he did receive Isaac back from death.
God tested them in the wilderness to see if they would keep His commands in His land--and they failed the test, so they never entered because of disobedience/unbelief. Belief is the first step of submission to God.
Well, you're actually calling the writer a liar, because he says they believed.
Eternally Grateful
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lol
I am well aquaitned with it
The people Paul spoke of in 1 cor 10. Never did works.. because they did not believe.
Moses sinned, But he did works. proving he was a man of God and entered his rest.
Eternally Grateful
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No
If they believed they would not have lived in sin. A child of God can not live in sin (1 john 3)
I do not at all hold to sinless perfectionism, but "there is a sin that is not unto death", and those are sins that are absolved.
Behold
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Post the actual verse that you are using, to try to prove your Theology.
There are 33 verses,.. Pick one. Pick 2, 3, and we could discuss them.
Np
OK If you're acquainted with it you know that they were perpetually sinning against God's commands (eg, they went out to collect manna on Sabbath after God had explicitly told them not to do it), and that that was what the text was referring to when it said "unbelief". They did not harken to God's voice, didn't believe, and walked contrary to God's voice, disobeyed.
Again, all the men of faith Hebrews refers to... WALKED ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL.
