I'm not asking what you are feeling inside as you claim this, only to confirm this is your claim.
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What Is "Salvation" In 1 Corinthians 10?
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It lacked an answer. Why are you unwilling to give a clear answer? I think I know, and I think you will be unwilling to say.
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Well, it matters with respect to your "backhanded character assassination" claim. That's not me at all, just expressing my true opinion. I don't need anything extra (eg, character assassination) to prove my point, the truth stands on its own
It's OK, you've spoken your mind. In your opinion, I'm a dishonest reader of the Bible, which is you disparaging my character by giving voice to your negative opinion of me.
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Is this what we should be doing, expressing our poor views of others? Not just to them privately, even, but to all the world?
I don't think so. We all have opinions. Poor ones, leave those at home, is what I think.
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I believe any honest reader will agree with what is obvious, which is what I'm pointing to--those who hold to a tradition however will have to deny what is obvious.
Well, to be clear, I don't say "so and so is entirely bad bc of xyz", I was recognizing a character flaw among virtues I believe you all have. I'm not thinking you all are rejected by God, and I don't reject you altogether, but that doesn't mean I can't recognize a flaw.
When you disagree, whether honestly or not, there is an opportunity to expose it for readers, so it's helpful.
Then hear what it says:
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
Being the sons of God now, we know that when Jesus appears, we will be like Him.
I believe I'm His child, and therefore I believe that when He appears I'll be like Him.
You seem to think that there is the possibility that might not be so, as you appear to believe that a certain kind or style of sinning can get you kicked out of salvation, in which case, someone who is a child of God now might not actually become like Jesus when He appears.
These seem to me to be irreconcileable views. Either we can state with certainty "we know", or it's a false certainty, and we cannot know yet.
Do you follow my objection to your statements?
This passage leaves no uncertainty, but your view does.
Now, you can give an answer that I'm simply being dishonest, refusing to recognize the veracity of your view, however, I'm pointing to the plain statements of Scripture which directly address this particular point.
I'm on point, in context, word for word from the Bible. But to you I'm dishonest? I don't understand how you can say you believe this passage as written, considering this is what it says.
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1. Discussion is on 1 Co 10--instead of addressing the passage head on, you abuse another text, and tell me that your abuse of that other scripture is why you can't believe what is obviously being stated in the original text in dispute. It's absolute incoherence.
2. Already supplied answer to this diversion.
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This is a passage which we need to harmonize with 1 Cor 10. You've given your conclusions on that chapter, I'm refuting your conclusions. These things are not plainly stated in 1 Cor 10, so we use plainly stated Scripture to bring light. You call it "obvious", but don't point to the particular place.
I'm pointing to particular statements in the Bible.
There is no abuse, only quoting the verse. And I'm the dishonest one . . .
Anyway, accusations are getting old, so I'll leave you to it.
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Your abuse of John's writing has already been "refuted"...
When He appears, those spiritually immature, children, who, led away by idols (1 Jn 5:21), are not remaining in Him, will draw back in shame (1 Jn 2:28) unto destruction (Heb 10:39), but those who remain in Him by obeying His commands (1 Jn 3:23,24) will be conformed to His likeness.
Thanks for the opportunity.
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