Behold
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Its interesting to note that there is no "law or commandments" in Heaven, or in the Kingdom of God.
Where do you find these?
= Where sin is found, as MOSES's law and commandments reveal it.
What is Sin?
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Its interesting to note that there is no "law or commandments" in Heaven, or in the Kingdom of God.
Where do you find these?
= Where sin is found, as MOSES's law and commandments reveal it.
Earburner
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2 Corinthians 5[20] Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
[21] For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Behold
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Earburner
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Speaking of one's own mind, the minute you have to remind yourself not to sexually lust after another, you have already done the deed in your head/heart, which is the same as physically doing it!
Matthew 5[28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
That would be the first and next great C Law, followed by the remaining 9C Law of Christ.
True. The law of Christ works the righteousness of God, because it has power to cleanse and purify the heart and conscience from lust, which the law of Moses did not have strength to do.
The NT of Christ is exceedingly more glorious than that of the old, because blood of the Lamb of God is exceeding more pure than of bulls and goats.
The law of Moses only judged works of the body, but the law of Christ first judges faith and obedience in the heart.
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I believe the body, the soul, the spirit are 3 separate things of one man.
The soul: in my understanding is Gods Works of His breath blown into a mans body...causing the body’s senses to become made alive...
Ears hear
Eyes see
Nose smells
Tongue tastes / utters sound
Flesh feels touch
Once the soul (Breath Of God) is in the man, the body and the soul are both called by the name of that man.
More specific...example.
Eye....physical eye ball
Sight..life in the soul causes sight to activate.
All souls having been in a physical body are all living souls...that are;
* living souls in living bodies, on Earth
OR
* living souls departed out of their dead body, and risen up to heaven, above the earth.
OR
* living souls departed out of their dead body and lowered down to hell, below in the Earth.
On Earth in the body
In Heaven out of the body
In Hell out of the body
....the Soul
is the sight
Is the hearing
Is the smelling
Is the tasting
Is the touching
Is the speech....
Are all things ...that occur in a physical body... with the eyes, ears, etc
And occur.....in Heaven and Hell....without the physical eyeballs, ears, tongue. nose, etc.
Moving from your logical mindful thinking to spirit Heartful thinking....
1)....what did God Save?
Your body...no it must physically die
Your spirit...no it was cut off heart Circumcision.
God saves “souls”.
From what?
From eternal separation from Him.
How do they become separated?
See, hear, speak etc. ungodly things that are against God.
So how to fix that?
Hear about God, Learn His Ways . Decide if one wants their own ways to be like Gods Ways .... if So asking God to make Mans ways Like Gods Ways....and He will, By His Power.
He restores a mans soul.
God gives a man good ...for man to hear., see, taste, smell etc.
When a mans senses, see, hears, etc. that which is against God....that is corrupt...
God will forgive and cleanse the corruption...then Save the mans soul FROM being corrupted by the things he sees, hears, smells. Etc that are against God.
It’s like...(for lack of a better anology ) like taking an old 1932 ford rust bucket and restoring it to the very good condition it was in 1932...that it shall forever remain in that very good condition.
God created us from dust bodily and then made us very good living souls.
We mess up.
He forgives.
He restores back to very good and keeps us accounted very good, Kept by His spirit that dwells in us.
Created and made...
All created and made Very Good.
All mess up.
By Gods Grace He will forgive the sorrowful.
Restore the soul ...Pss 23:3
Make again very good.
The old man...the body...the corrupt soul...the natural spirit all sinned against God....
My understanding...regarding one man and one Lord God Almighty...for an established Forever relationship...
Once Forgiven...Forgiven forever.
Once soul saved, Restored, saved forever .
Once spirit born again, reborn forever.
....
Once body crucified with Christ; already Accounted Bodily Dead, cleansed, sanctified, Sin covered and remembered no more, Justified to be “Risen” in already Prepared new body.
We can not SEE the manifestation of our Naw Body, UNTIL it IS raised, because EyES are still Natural, yet our Sight can SEE the Results of our chanced Souls.
We can notice change in our Sight...we can notice changes in another’s Sight...by behaviors.
We can Sin no more...which effectually means, Never Again can we Stand Against The Lord God Almighty IN Disbelief!
Can We Trespass Against Other Men...?
Which is Behaviors between men...
Yes. Why? Because we as men have Umpteen different beliefs about all kinds of things...both Spiritual AND Secular. When one man promotes, advocates, to oppress, take the liberty away from another man...that is “Trespassing With Intent...called Wickedness.”
And typically followed...without apology, but rather Followed With “threats”.
Trespassing against another “Without Intent”,
We typically call an “accident, an oops”, and immediately, find that followed...by an apology, a means to correct the Trespass....and the other trespassed Against has opportunity to Forgive the Trespass Against Him.
I share Scriptural Knowledge and suggest praying for The Lord to give you Spiritual Understanding.
God Bless,
Taken
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I share Scriptural Knowledge and suggest praying for The Lord to give you Spiritual Understanding.
I am in fact seeking perfect understanding of what you teach, which I hope is not getting too troublesome with you.
I believe, if you can clear up these last questions, I will be able to teach what you believe as fully as you do.
Specifically, what soul is judged for sins in this life? Before salvation it would be the old dead soul of the physical body, but what about after salvation? What soul is judged for sin if any?
I believe the body, the soul, the spirit are 3 separate things of one man.
And since you teach two men: the one old man of the physical body with natural spirit, and the new spiritual man of God, then you are saying there are two souls of two men, while the body remains on earth?
The old dead soul of the old man, and the new living soul of the new man?
The old man...the body...the corrupt soul...the natural spirit all sinned against God....
The old corrupt soul and natural spirit of the old man continues with the mortal corrupt body in this life?
Once body crucified with Christ; already Accounted Bodily Dead, cleansed, sanctified, Sin covered and remembered no more, Justified to be “Risen” in already Prepared new body.
You are saying that the physical body is crucified with Christ? The mortal body is cleansed and justified?
amigo de christo
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OF SIN for they believe not on ME .
Ye shall die in your sins , for if ye beleive NOT that I AM HE , ye shall die in your sins .
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Ye shall die in your sins , for if ye beleive NOT that I AM HE , ye shall die in your sins .
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Let me back up to a basic.
God creates Specific KINDS of seeds.
Every KIND of Seed...God gives that Seed it’s Own KIND of Body. Those specific Kinds Of Body’s and Seeds will reproduce it’s Same Kinds Of Seeds and Body’s. The Reproductions are according to physical Nature.
God intervenes in His Own Creations BY His Making.
Thus God IS the Creator AND Maker. Two different aspects.
Specific to MANKIND. (All things we call humans) God Creates from the out of the Earth, (which is also the MANS Habitat), which is also the Very Element (Earth), designed to sustain the Natural Life Of the BODY. Reason being, the Same elements, IN the Earth, (water, minerals) are the Same elements IN the Body. Likely the saying Mother Earth, that which a human body comes forth out from, and is fed to maintain its natural Life.
So a man IS created...and THEN Made ALIVE, by the Supernatural Power of Gods Breath.
God is Spirit. Every “intervention” of Gods Power that affects a created or procreated man IS spiritual, because God IS Spirit.
So a man IS created-procreated from his Kind of Seed...God gives it its own body, then God Makes that created Kind Of thing ALIVE with His Breath Of Life....He IS Life, His Breath IS Life...Everything that comes forth out From God also Remains IN God. His Breath, Life comes forth out from Him, His Word comes forth out from Him, yet remains IN Him.
And His Power (Spirit) comes forth from Him yet remains in Him.
His Breath, His Word, His Spirit...all have Great Power, as God Himself is the All-Mighty Supreme Power. Where He sends His Breath, Word, Spirit...to....either “Upon” OR “In”... God’s MAKING of that kind of thing... to have Power from God. It is God Giving Power to His Creations....For Specific purposes.
And to note...mankind has FREEWILL.
Some power given mankind...IS without the man’s CONSENT...and the “greatest parts” of Gods Giving is God Making mankind have Power from God, and Requires the man’s Consent. (Effected by the mans Own FREEWILL).
Without consent...a man conception.
Without consent...a man’s Natural birth.
Without consent...Gods Breath Of Life, to be Made an “Individual” “Living” man.
Thus Natural Seed, Natural Body, Body MADE Living by Gods Breath....Individual has NO FREEWILL Say in the matter.
The Living Soul...With Gods Breath....Sent into the natural body, IS the catalyst, the Works of God, that activates that Body into A it’s own “individual” Living state of being a human man Kind Of thing.
It’s own individual LIFE source IS it’s Blood.
It’s own “senses”...are living functioning.
The ears hear, eyes see, nose smells, lungs breath the Earth’s elements, etc.
It grows, it’s Mind functions, thinking, learning, believing this or that, discriminating, likes, dislikes, its heart (natural spirit), hears, Learns, holds fast to its belief of its Truth.
Every natural body, natural spirit, spiritual soul is judged.
They are judged...
* Body-
Did that body Hear, See the Works, (world, sun, mts. weather, etc.) Of the Heavenly God and Believe in Him or not, or expressly believe in another god, or none. Mans choice.
IF - THEN
That man Believes in the Heavenly When His Body Physically Dies...his “soul” (that soul) shall be Saved at the time or his physical Death. (That soul, as Every soul, remains living, with Gods Breath Of life, and Departs out of the Dead/Dying Body).
The Body- begin stinking, decaying, is buried, returns to dust. The departed living soul...
* Saved- returns to Heaven- WITH God in Comfort and is Kept alive via THE tree of life.
* When Body IS Raised, in glory, uncorrupted, before the judge...saved soul returns to its (Forgiven) body...sentenced to ever lasting life WITH God.
When Raised in Glory...spirit of this man is Quickened, then. Ie Born again via receiving the Seed of God.
* Unsaved- Sent to Hell- WITHOUT God and remains alive in Discomfort, until the day of Facing Judge- Receiving Sentence-
Body Raised in its corruption, Living Soul returns to its corrupt (UnForgiven) body, sentenced to eternal separation FROM God. Life in soul, returns to God, Body & Soul Destroyed.
This man never receives Gods Seed, His Natural spirit never born again.
His life ... body, forever dead, remembered no more.
His soul without life, remembered no more.
His natural spirit (ie his natural truth in his heart, never born again), dead with his dead body, remembered no more.
** Gods Grace and Justice...
Total destruction of human men WITHOUT God, completely without Life, can NOT suffer eternally WITHOUT God.
Now consider...the LAST 2,000 years.
The introduction of Gods Promised Messiah, ie CHRIST, with a Name Above All Other Names.
Jesus, the Word, the Truth, the Way, the Life..
OF God.
Christ, the Power, the Spirit, the Wisdom, the Seed...OF God.
WOW....IF a living man....could Just have an opportunity to HAVE “those” things that Christ Jesus HAS...
....WOW....”opportunity” to have those things, IS exactly what God “Offered” to every man...by, through, of Christ Jesus!
...How...When?
...FREEWILL, Of Every man, to Hear, read, learn....wonder, believe, doubt, continue, believe, decide to continue, decide to reject....
....and the Bonus...while a man IS, hearing, learning....God IS Gifting that listener With Measures Of FAITH... believing? God is Gifting that believing man with...Blessings...
....and the man Who stops?
....He stops receiving measures OF Faith.
....He stop receiving Particular Blessings given to a believing man.
....This is called....Tasting...which is similar to what any person does when trying something new to him, to determine if that person likes it or not. (Food, sports, music, math, knitting, cooking, farming, jobs, etc.)
...this is not Receiving Forgiveness from God.
...this is not Receiving Salvation Of ones soul.
...this is not Receiving Quickening Of ones spirit.
IF - a man continues hearing, verifying, experiencing Gods Word, Gods Blessings, Gods Gift of Faith...likes it, HEARTFULLY, desires to HAVE those things, that Jesus has...that man can, BY his own FREEWILL election...
* keep heartfully believing by his own power, hope he is not persuaded to stop by world influences...and receive his salvation at his physical death, and his spirit quickened when his body is risen...first mass resurrection After 1,000 yr reign...
* or accept Jesus’ Offering to be Spiritually crucified with Jesus’ Body. Receive soul salvation by heartfully confessing belief IN God and the one God sent “Jesus”, that He is the Christ the Son of the Living God, and
The IF...Then Relationship is established between that man and the Lord God Almighty.
Christ does the Works within that man. Forgiving sin of having had corrupted his soul, forgiveness for having had Disbelief, forgiveness of all Trespasses Against other men.
* restores the soul, back to good, Saved
* circumcision of the heart.
* new heart
* Receive Gods spirit of Truth
* Receive Gods Seed
* Rebirth of mans spirit, born again
* temporary using Jesus’ resin body to live in
* temporary IN Christ ^^
* direct communication to God
* forever WITH The Lord God
* IN ones own Uncorrupted Body When Risen
* called Converted IN Christ
* called Christ’s Church
* Freed From Sin
* born of God
* sealed unto God, the King
* a son of God
* can Sin no more
* applicable OSAS. Ie once having RECEIVED salvation according to Gods WAY, it is Forever.
* my belief...Rapture risen up, Before Wrath comes down from Heaven during Last great Tribulation, uponALL inhabitants upon the Earth.
* not to negate, some who’ll be Saved During the Tribulation, their bodies physically killed, their souls risen up to heaved, and their bodies risen After the 1,000 yr reign in the First Mass resurrection.
Will answer you second part later. Sorry for the delayed responses. Very unusual month for things going on with me.
God Bless,
Taken
1 John 5:17
All unrighteousness is SIN: ...........
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you.Whosoever committed sin is the servant of sin. Rms6:6.
Rms.5:12
Wherefore, as by one man SIN entered into the world,and DEATH by sin; and so death passed upon ALL men,for that all have SINNED.
2 Cor.5:21
For he hath made HIM TO BE SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
We are made aware of sin ( anything that SEPERATES one from God) by first our conscience, then the law and by conviction of the Holy Spirit.
We do not have to have it spelled out in neon lights to know we have sinned.
Most of the major sins ARE written for us to see bc they cause harm to our fellow man or bring disrespect to God.
There are many aspects to the word SIN.
It can be a sin against ....,,1 Cor.8:12,
It can be of ommission.......Ja.4:17
It can be w/o the body or against the body .....1 Cor.6:18
Sin condemns and brings forth death!
This price was paid for by Jesus, God's only begotten Son and we no longer have to live in death.
Neither do we have to pay OUR SINS forward like by the law but at the very moment of godly sorrow which worked repentance, we believe in our hearts that Jesus redeemed us, turn 180° from sin to God,confess with our mouth that he has forgiven us, then are we saved!
Sin cannot hold you captive if you are the servant of Christ!
All unrighteousness is SIN: ...........
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, Verily, I say unto you.Whosoever committed sin is the servant of sin. Rms6:6.
Rms.5:12
Wherefore, as by one man SIN entered into the world,and DEATH by sin; and so death passed upon ALL men,for that all have SINNED.
2 Cor.5:21
For he hath made HIM TO BE SIN for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
We are made aware of sin ( anything that SEPERATES one from God) by first our conscience, then the law and by conviction of the Holy Spirit.
We do not have to have it spelled out in neon lights to know we have sinned.
Most of the major sins ARE written for us to see bc they cause harm to our fellow man or bring disrespect to God.
There are many aspects to the word SIN.
It can be a sin against ....,,1 Cor.8:12,
It can be of ommission.......Ja.4:17
It can be w/o the body or against the body .....1 Cor.6:18
Sin condemns and brings forth death!
This price was paid for by Jesus, God's only begotten Son and we no longer have to live in death.
Neither do we have to pay OUR SINS forward like by the law but at the very moment of godly sorrow which worked repentance, we believe in our hearts that Jesus redeemed us, turn 180° from sin to God,confess with our mouth that he has forgiven us, then are we saved!
Sin cannot hold you captive if you are the servant of Christ!
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d The work of Christ is glorious for the believing sinner!
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