What is the difference between the indwelling Spirit and the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

[Behold]

I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed.

There are only 2 Proofs that a person is a Chrisitan.

1.) Born again on earth before you die.

2.) Be indwelt by the Holy Spirit, on earth, before you die.

They were missing something else. That something else is the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. (the Spirit "on" them)

All Christians have been "indwelt" by the Holy Spirit, and this is why they are become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit'.

Whereas , the "Baptism with the Spirit"........is when God/Christ anoints a person for service.

Examples.

OT Prophets........."the word of the Lord came to them"......and that is the anointing of the HS on them.

Jesus, after He was water baptized........"the Holy Spirit came down ON HIM">.. (Like a Dove) ....and that anointed Him for His Ministry to the JEWS.

 

[Rockerduck]

I agree.
The baptized believers in Samaria had the indwelling, but that was not what Phillip and the Apostles were looking for.
They were looking for evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Like Pentecost.

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People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore. Samaria is evidence of that. The Apostles may have been looking for it, but they were learning also and expecting it was a new frontier of learning "the way".

 

[Behold]

People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.

In the NT you have the "5-fold Ministry".. (Paul's teaching)

This is created by God for the "Perfecting of the Saints". (Paul's teaching).

Here they are..

Pastor
Apostle
Teacher
Evangelist
Prophet

See those ministries?
The "baptism by/of the Holy Spirit".....is the "Call of God" that puts a person into one of those Ministries.
Its an anointing for service, regarding those ministries.
It is never taken away.......exactly like Salvation is never taken away.

 

[Rockerduck]

In the NT you have the "5-fold Ministry".. (Paul's teaching)

This is created by God for the "Perfecting of the Saints". (Paul's teaching).

Here they are..

Pastor
Apostle
Teacher
Evangelist
Prophet

See those ministries?
The "baptism by/of the Holy Spirit".....is the "Call of God" that puts a person into one of those Ministries.
Its an anointing for service, regarding those ministries.
It is never taken away.......exactly like Salvation is never taken away.

Yes, and have 3 of them. You are preaching to the choir.

 

[Behold]

Yes, and have 3 of them. You are preaching to the choir.

If you had 3 of them, then you'd not be telling the forum that "people aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit".

 

[Rockerduck]

If you had 3 of them, then you'd not be telling the forum that "people aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit".

I did not say people don't receive the Holy Spirit, put your glasses on and read it again. I said they don't the way like the day of Pentecost. Have you preached to a room, and everyone received the Holy Spirit instantaneously? Peter preached Jesus to Cornelius and everyone in the house received the Holy Spirit. Not anymore. We receive the Holy Spirit individually now.

 

[Behold]

Have you preached to a room, and everyone received the Holy Spirit instantaneously?

During Acts 2, the people who believed, received.
The apostles were already saved before Pentecost, and the upper room people received the HS that day.
The Jews in the audience, who believed ......receive the HS.

Did you notice that the upper room "tongue talkers" were not water baptized?

Now, Peter was different, because He'd already received the HS before Pentecost, along with the other 11.....in John 20:22.
So, what he received was the : "of the Spirit" anointing.

 

[Rockerduck]

During Acts 2, the people who believed, received.
The apostles were already saved before Pentecost, and the upper room people received the HS that day.
The Jews in the audience, who believed ......receive the HS.

Did you notice that the upper room "tongue talkers" were not water baptized?

Now, Peter was different, because He'd already received the HS before Pentecost, along with the other 11.....in John 20:22.
So, what he received was the : "of the Spirit" anointing.

Why are you talking about water baptism? In the Op we were talking about the Samarians. The Apostles had to lay hands on each, individually, to receive the Holy Spirit. Baptism had no bearing on it.

 

[Behold]

Why are you talking about water baptism? In the Op we were talking about the Samarians.

I wasn't responding to the "OP".
I was responing to your obtuse statement.

This one.

@Rockerduck said.

""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""

And in fact, you're not going to see this type of mass "infilling".......unless you are a missionary, and you are preaching to a huge crowd in a place where the people are hungry for God.
And in that case, there can be ten's of Thousands, who receive the Holy Spirit at the same time.

 

[Rockerduck]

I wasn't responding to the "OP".
I was responing to your obtuse statement.

This one.

@Rockerduck said.

""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""

And in fact, you're not going to see this type of mass "infilling".......unless you are a missionary, and you are preaching to a huge crowd in a place where the people are hungry for God.
And in that case, there can be ten's of Thousands, who receive the Holy Spirit at the same time.

I typed in plain English. So obtuseness. I worked for the Bill Graham crusades and I've seen thousands come to Christ every night for weeks. Every one of them said the sinner's prayer in their own words and were saved individually. That's what God want for us now, each of us, in our own heart, to surrender to God and to come Jesus individually.

 

[Behold]

I typed in plain English. So obtuseness. I worked for the Bill Graham crusades and I've seen thousands come to Christ every night for weeks.

So, you supposedly saw with your own eyes, "thousands" miraculously filled with the Holy Spirit "every night for weeks".., ..... exactly as the 3000 obo were filled during Pentecost.........yet you denied this "still happens" in your post..


@Rockerduck said.

""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""

 

[Rockerduck]

So, you supposedly saw with your own eyes, "thousands" miraculously filled with the Holy Spirit "every night for weeks".., ..... exactly as the 3000 obo were filled during Pentecost.........yet you denied this "still happens" in your post..


@Rockerduck said.

""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""

put reading glasses on grandpa. Thousands, individually. Yes, everyone surrendering to Christ individually.

 

[Behold]

put reading glasses on grandpa. Thousands, individually. Yes, everyone surrendering to Christ individually.

Ok little one.......you tell us specificlaly how 3000 saved at Pentecost, is different then the "thousands' you say you saw saved "each night' during the BG crusades.

Its the same Holy Spirit doing the same thing.

But to you its "different'.

So, explain how its different, @Rockerduck

Dont you remember that you asked me, """"""Have you preached to a room, and everyone received the Holy Spirit instantaneously?""""" @Rockerduck >
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And then you told us you've seen it happen with thousands, during Billy Graham, crusades.

So, im thinking you need more then glasses.....

 

[Rockerduck]

Ok little one.......you tell us specificlaly how 3000 saved at Pentecost, is different then the "thousands' you say you saw saved "each night' during the BG crusades.

Ok, thanks for taking the joke. Pentecost had a mighty rushing wind and tongues of fire sat on each one. I have never seen that happen, or heard of that, or even a little wind. In the Crusade, it is stressed you must make a personal confession, and everyone is required to come to Jesus individually.

 

[Behold]

Ok, thanks for taking the joke. Pentecost had a mighty rushing wind and tongues of fire sat on each one.

So, now you are painting a new word picture........ that you didnt paint when you said this..

""""""Have you preached to a room, and everyone received the Holy Spirit instantaneously?""""

or this...

'"""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore."""""

So, lets say with what you posted........as you posted that what you saw happen at Billy Graham Crusades........the """"People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""""..........is exactly what happened there.
And i asked you why you are trying to deny it?

You can't asnwer that, and now you are just deflecting and dodging as your type always does @Rockerduck

 

[Rockerduck]

So, now you are painting a new word picture........ that you didnt paint when you said this..

""""""Have you preached to a room, and everyone received the Holy Spirit instantaneously?""""

or this...

'"""""People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore."""""

So, lets say with what you posted........as you posted that what you saw happen at Billy Graham Crusades........the """"People aren't baptized by the Holy Spirit like Pentecost anymore.""""""..........is exactly what happened there.
And i asked you why you are trying to deny it?

You can't asnwer that, and now you are just deflecting and dodging as your type always does @Rockerduck

There is no mighty rushing wind or tongues of fire sitting on anyone's head. I've never seen it. Everyone received the Holy Spirit individually at the Crusades. not spontaneously like at Pentecost.

 

[Behold]

There is no mighty rushing wind or tongues of fire sitting on anyone's head. I've never seen it.

Thats it keep changing your previous QUOTES, as that is all you can do now.

No worries, Ive posted your original quotes a few times so that the members can read your brand new and updated ones, and in this way discover what you really are...........and really do.

See you there.... next time.

 

[RLT63]

In a previous topic I asked a question about...

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit? Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else. Acts 8:14-17 NIV When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that...

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Here are the facts:
1) Those in Samaria were believers (had accepted the word of God)
2) They had received baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water baptism)
3) But the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them. (had not yet "come on" any of them?)
4) Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. (prayed for them)

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?
They were water baptized believers in the Lord Jesus.

- There was evidence that they were believers. (as stated in the text)
- There was evidence that they had been water baptized. (as stated in the text)
- There was, however, no evidence that they had received the Holy Spirit. (as stated in the text)

What evidence were the Apostles looking for?
"Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit." - Acts 8:17 NIV
("When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit," - vs 15)
This text doesn't tell us. We'll have to look elsewhere.

Let me restate...
I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed.
They were missing something else. That something else is the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. (the Spirit "on" them)

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Why couldn't Phillip lay his hands on them and they receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
There were other miracles happening

 

[St. SteVen]

Why couldn't Phillip lay his hands on them and they receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit?
There were other miracles happening

That's a great question. I think Phillip could have.
The Holy Spirit was being unpredictable.
Here's how I read the timeline in Acts.

- In Acts chapter 2 they water baptized 3,000 converts and they
all received the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. (as promised)
- In Samaria they followed the same pattern of water-baptizing believers,
but there was no evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. So, the
Apostles were called to the scene. When they laid hands on the water-baptized
believers evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit appeared.
- At the house of Cornelius the gentiles gave evidence of the
Baptism with the Holy Spirit while Peter was still preaching.
Water baptism followed. Once again breaking the pattern from Acts 2.
- God sent Ananias (not an Apostle) to lay hands on Saul after his
encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus. Water baptism followed.
- In Ephesus, Paul encountered disciples of Apollos that only had John's baptism of repentance.
He then water-baptized them in Jesus' name. When he laid hands on them they gave
evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

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[St. SteVen]

That's a great question. I think Phillip could have.
The Holy Spirit was being unpredictable.
Here's how I read the timeline in Acts.

- In Acts chapter 2 they water baptized 3,000 converts and they
all received the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. (as promised)
- In Samaria they followed the same pattern of water-baptizing believers,
but there was no evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. So, the
Apostles were called to the scene. When they laid hands on the water-baptized
believers evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit appeared.
- At the house of Cornelius the gentiles gave evidence of the
Baptism with the Holy Spirit while Peter was still preaching.
Water baptism followed. Once again breaking the pattern from Acts 2.
- God sent Ananias (not an Apostle) to lay hands on Saul after his
encounter with Christ on the road to Damascus. Water baptism followed.
- In Ephesus, Paul encountered disciples of Apollos that only had John's baptism of repentance.
He then water-baptized them in Jesus name. When he laid hands on them they gave
evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.

Another thought.
This tracks with the way Jesus handled healings.
It wasn't about methodologies; it was about following what the Father was doing.
If we examine His healing of blindness, we can see that every encounter differed.

John 8:28 NIV
So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up[a] the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that
I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.

John 5:19 NIV
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself;
he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

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