God is holy beyond human comprehension. Once again. If you are not found to be "In Christ" in the judgment you will perish.
What is the gospel?
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Ziggy
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Made me think of Adam and Eve... the wedding and the feast.
Who do you suppose was called to Adam's wedding...
hmm..
Mostly the trees in the garden, but even that waskly snake lol
sorry, carry on.
just passing through...
Hugs
Eternally Grateful
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The Gospel is the “good news” Of God. That we can be restored to a relaxation ship with him
The Bible says we are dead in tresspasses and sins. The good news is we can be made alive.
They want you to believe that our sins were not laid on Christ. Well if this is true. We are still dead in our sins. And there is no hope of being restored.
We will stand in front of Christ on Judgment day. And every command of God which we broke our whole lives will be laid out in front of us. Everyone from the person who committed the fewest sins to the person who committed the most sins ever, will be found guilty, and there will be no way out. We will all stand condemned before God.
Thats the bad new.
The good news (gospel) is that God provided a way.
He showed in the OT not only that we were guilty, but what needed to take place for the guilt to be atoned for.
The shedding of blood. From the animals killed to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve, to the sin offerings and the once a year killings of animals for the sin of the people on the day of atonment.
The good news is that God came to earth. Lived a sin free life (fulfilled the law) and died on the cross as the lamb of God. Who took away the penalty of our sins. By taking the penalty on himself.
This is atonement, this is redemption.
There is no other means of salvation.
You either stand in front of God on your own (works or self righteousness)
or you stand in front of God based on his payment for your sins. Still guilty, but your sin was paid in full
The Bible says we are dead in tresspasses and sins. The good news is we can be made alive.
They want you to believe that our sins were not laid on Christ. Well if this is true. We are still dead in our sins. And there is no hope of being restored.
We will stand in front of Christ on Judgment day. And every command of God which we broke our whole lives will be laid out in front of us. Everyone from the person who committed the fewest sins to the person who committed the most sins ever, will be found guilty, and there will be no way out. We will all stand condemned before God.
Thats the bad new.
The good news (gospel) is that God provided a way.
He showed in the OT not only that we were guilty, but what needed to take place for the guilt to be atoned for.
The shedding of blood. From the animals killed to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve, to the sin offerings and the once a year killings of animals for the sin of the people on the day of atonment.
The good news is that God came to earth. Lived a sin free life (fulfilled the law) and died on the cross as the lamb of God. Who took away the penalty of our sins. By taking the penalty on himself.
This is atonement, this is redemption.
There is no other means of salvation.
You either stand in front of God on your own (works or self righteousness)
or you stand in front of God based on his payment for your sins. Still guilty, but your sin was paid in full
Well, actually…God IS JUST…
And…part of being Just is to JUDGE “Justly”, according to EVIDENCE.
On Judgement day…the BOOKS are OPENED….(what Books do you suppose those are?)
They ARE Gods (accounting) BOOKS….
Ie EVIDENCE from which Every individual SHALL be Judged.
There are BOOKS “of Life”…
Gods Book of Life…
….A mans Name Naturally Born of water.
The Lambs Book of Life…
…A mans Name Born of Gods Seed, born OF the Spirit.
There are BOOKS “of Deeds / Works”…
…Accounting of Every Individuals works…
…Works that Glorified God…?
That man given a “reward”… a Crown.
…Exceptional works of a man…?
That man given Crown(S)…bejeweled as rewards for great works.
WHY ?
Because an individuals EFFORTS to Glorify God, becomes a debt unto God, that He repays with “rewards”, FOR the mans efforts.
AND ANY (saved or not) mans works/efforts day after day, that did not Glorify God?
Those works are Burned.
No clue what you are talking about.
I said no such thing.
God is all-knowing….however MEN (particularly) JEWS have been Blinded to widely accepting Jesus as their Savior…. And BTW…Their reject of Jesus, their Blindness to Jesus being their Christ Messiah….opened the door for the Gentiles to BELIEVE in the Heavenly Jewish God and the Jewish Messiah.
But…no worries…Some Jews Have Converted IN Christ (not calling themselves “Christians”)…
AND….During the Last Days, Ancient reserved men of the 12 Tribes of Israel, and a Lamb and Two Witnesses shall be present ON Earth Preaching to the Jews, Christ Jesus IS their Messiah…and (an unprecedented revival) of millions of Jews converting IN Christ.
I did nothing in contrast to those things.
But what…?
Quote me what you say is not true…
Glory to God,
Taken
Yes.
This is false, of course. We don't need to blame an innocent person in order to escape our sins. That is an evil idea. Rather God is merciful ...always has been. The problem is approaching a holy God in a sinful nature. The atonement of Christ cleanses away the sin in the nature by giving us a holy and eternal kind of life made available to us through the resurrection power of Christ.
Again there is no need for false imputations. That scheme comes from the underworld.
God will have mercy on whomever He wills. Our attitude is more important than our failures. God gives grace to the humble and the meek will inherit the earth.
In order to have union with God, we need to be made holy as God is holy. Hence the atonement.
False. The penalty for sin is still death. There is no freedom IN sin...but away from sin. The atonement purifies a person from the POWER of sin...not just the penalty of sin.
False. Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. Sins aren't paid for. God is merciful...and God purifies His people from their sins.
Your scheme denies both God's mercy and the gift of His power over sins called grace.
Amen to all this.
Again, yes.
Facts are not on the same level as truth. If we want to cooperate with God on an eternal level we need to walk in the truth...not just recite facts.
Well of-course!
Our JOB as one who DOES walk “IN” Christ (Gods Power) and Jesus (Gods Truth) is to Speak His Word …
The one “hearing”….is where God takes over….with measures of Faith…and blessings and gifts thereafter…(IF the individual is so inclined to continue hearing)
God Bless you,
Taken
Ziggy
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We may be able to relax in him, but the world is terrified of us and throwing every arrow they can get their hands on to take us down.
This aint no perp walk that's for sure.
The bible says, If you are lowly and meek (poor) in the spirit and rich in faith,
then the gospel "good news" of the kingdom is for you.
It's the beginning verse of the sermon on the mount.
Mat 5:1
And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:
Mat 5:2
And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,
Mat 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
This IS the Gospel.
Luk 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
And what is the Gospel?
Mat 5:3
Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Now, there are conditions. First you have to believe, then you have to have faith.
I can give you the key to the door, but you have to unlock it. You have to open it.
The Key is the Gospel.
Hugs
Eternally Grateful
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No, But he is a perfect judge, He keeps a record of every sin we commit.
And he said the wage of each and every one of this sins is death.
You may get away by fooling a human judge with some reason why you should not be judged and get away with your crimes. But you will not be able to do that with God
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Eternally Grateful
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Who said I was blaming God?
Do you think you’re going to escape your sins by yourself?? Good luck!
God is merciful. But he is also just.
His mercy can not overrule his Justice. If his justice imposes a penalty, then his justice must carry it out. His love or mercy can not overrule his justice.
If you want to get to heaven, You have no other option
He will only have mercy on those who have had their sins paid for. Otherwise. He may love them, but justice will prevail
Atonement, Paid by the blood of Christ.
Yes
But you still sin, if you say you do not. John said you are decieved.
So he died for the sins, but they are not paid for?
What church do you come from again?
Your scheme denies the cross. And says you will appear in front of God through your own
good luck wiht that
Eternally Grateful
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The word poor there is a poor translation. The greek word actually is deeper than just poor. It is Bankrupt. A poor person can stil take care of themselves. They just do not have the means to live a lavish lifestyle.
When yoru bankrupt. You have no means, you are dependent on another
this is where we need to be to Recieve christ.
amigo de christo
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SOUND THIS DIRE DIRE NEEDFUL REMINDER OUT and KEEP SOUNDING IT OUT .
many now do the work of anti christ through another so called social love go spell . Denying that one must even
have to BELEIVE on JESUS CHRIST . that be the work of an anti christ . and even now are there many .
KEEP SOUNDING THIS REMINDER OUT , DO IT DAILY and DO IT OFTEN .
amigo de christo
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KEEP SOUNDING IT OUT . FLOOD IT all over this place .There are many anti christs at work in these late and last hours upon earth . They do the will
of another who has come in his own name to decieve the world and all that is therein
into a FALSE HUGE BROAD PATH to GOD LIE . IT WONT save them . I repeat it WONT save them .
But i do know WHO can save . SO LET US POINT TO HE ALONE , BELIEVE YE IN JESUS CHRIST and HOLD FIRM
that TRUST HOPE AND ALL FAITH IN HIM .
Philip James
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Everything is now!
You too! Dear Episkopos,
are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!
Alma Redemptoris Mater
Thanks for the invite!
It remains to see in what capacity...as the Bride or a guest. No facts don't set us free! However, the Gospel proclaimed in the power of His Spirit for all who believe does set us free. The Gospel is the message about Christ that is offered unto all people without cost, and those who hear and believe by grace through faith (the power of God) are given eternal life the free gift of God that can only be achieved by God's grace through faith that is not of ourselves but of God.
Ronald David Bruno
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Absolutely! Our spirit has to be perfected to be "in Christ". It is a done deal. So that if at any moment we died suddenly, our spirit would go directly to be with the Lord. "To be absent the body is to be present with the Lord."
Ronald David Bruno
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YOU have it backwards!
First of all, we are justified by faith in Christ, His work, His righteousness, not ours.
But we are all like an unclean thing,
And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
We all fade as a leaf,
And our iniquities, like the wind,
Have taken us away. Isaiah 64:6
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>>Here we have a double imputation in 2 Corinthians 5:21
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him."
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I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."Gal. 2:21
We can do nothing good without Him! If and when we do good works, it is the Holy Spirit working through us, it is His righteous acts.
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"For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight,
21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested ... (IN US)
22. the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe ...
28 For we hold that one is justified by faith. Rom. 3:20-22, 28
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For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Rom. 4:3
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1 Cor. 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption—
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For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Eph. 2:8-9
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And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Rom. 8:10
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Isaiah 53 disagrees with you, as does the scapegoat which is a parable of Jesus.
However, it matters a lot how we live after being begotten of the Spirit. We are not to just sit on our laurels and take salvation for granted.....the Lord is looking for followers, ie, obedience. To obey is better than sacrifice, and is a more costly calling. He is looking for our fruit to ripen (bringing "fruit to perfection"), ie, we are to pay the price to mature and grow in Him. The Lord didn't allow the Israelites to get too comfortable or to sit around congratulating themselves in one place for very long. After crossing the Red Sea, they had to keep pulling up stakes in order to follow/obey the leading of the cloud/fire. Hence blessed is the man whose heart is set on pilgrimage in this life. Destination being the promised land, which the Lord had already given into their hands! (by promise!).....even though the reality of that was not yet fully "seen", ie, manifested.
There is a kind of duality to salvation.....we have both been saved and are being saved. Even that verse at the bottom of your posts is about striving to apprehend what we have already been given, if we know the Lord and have received His Spirit within. The "promises" are yes and amen in Christ!
Oh my, goodness. How can anyone say that when the bible says "it is by faith you are saved." ...?? I'd call that HUGE "benefits" based on what we believe by faith, which cannot be overstated! (Though it is not of our own, but of His Spirit who comes to dwell in our vessel when we come to faith.)So you have begun in earnest.
The gospel is not about history but what is available today by grace through faith.
That's true.
We can't claim benefits for ourselves based on anything we do or believe.
The cross did happen in a moment of time in earth's history, which is what that brother is talking about, even though it reaches back to the foundation of the world as well as the present and future, which he isn't denying, as anyone reading his post with any honesty in this discussion understands. That moment in history is kind of important, dontcha think? Pivotal even. Climactic and earth shaking one could say! It cost Jesus everything and caused Him much suffering, so I'd say it was kind of important to Him too? Not to mention to His Father as well....? Not wise to be dismissive of it in my opinion, if anyone has the fear of the Lord.
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