WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[GodsGrace]

Really?

Is that why millions of Catholics were hoping that Pope Francis would DIE, before He did?
They are fighting inside their own cult right now over the fact that Francis ended the Latin Mass.

An example is that a devout Catholic named Mel Gibson, who directed "the Passion", has been for years, against this last Pope's attempt to lead the CC into "gay priests" and "no Latin mass" and other such directives that many in the CC, despise, openly, right now.



OSAS, was created to resist Paul's Doctrine of Grace., 2000 yrs ago.

Its created by Religious Jews, to get Christians to lose the correct understanding of God's Grace.... and they teach that "God's Grace is a license to sin".
Jude teaches that they twisted "God's Grace" into "Licentiiousness"...= the idea that its "license to sin"....and this deceive people into that mindset, and then they can't trust Christ to keep them saved.
So, OSAS is designed by religious Jews, 2000 yrs ago, to keep you inside SELF Righteousness.
That is what the Devil designed this false teaching to produce in a Christian.

The correct understanding of What Christ has accomplished for us on The Cross.... is not just that He Saves us, but that He keeps us saved........as if He doesnt.. then who keeps you saved?

The person who does not understand God's ETERNAL GIFT of Salvation......thinks....>>>"oh, i have to confess sin, and behave properly, and be water baptized, and try to be like Christ, and keep commandments......as i try to save MYSELF" ....because i dont have any Real faith in Christ to keep me saved.
They lost it.

A lot here...
must leave for a while.
later.

 

[David in NJ]

Adam "died spiritually" and that is the LOSS of Spirtual Union with God.

So, 2nd Adam came to restore spiritual union with God for these........>"Jesus came into the world to save sinners".

And He does......ONE BELIEVER at a time..., daily, for the last 2000 yrs.



Its God's Spirit that made Adam alive......so, that is "ONE with God"........= Spiritual Union.



"you shall surely die"... is the Scripture.

And Adam and Eve didnt realize what God was saying.......and Satan deceived them into not believing it at all when He told them "you shall not surely die"..
Satan knew they would lose spiritual union......as he was not concerned so much with their body dying, which is the other Death, that came to them, because of their REBELLION.

So, they "transgressed" and their SIN separated them from God.... = "God is A Spirit".

Your SIN separated you from God's Spirit,........ and if you have believed in Christ by Faith.... then God has Spiritually birthed you, by His Holy Spirit, as "ONE with God"... 'IN CHRIST">...and that is Spiritiual Union with God.....restored, that Adam lost for you, and for us all.

Water Baptism does not do this for you.....as water is just water.

And He does......ONE BELIEVER at a time..., daily, for the last 2000 yrs.

Actually God started with Adam, way before the Incarnation

 

[Hepzibah]

It means to RESTART a relationship with them as you had before.

Yes agreed and as I said before Adam was not united with God because he would have been wearing the full armour. The relationship was one where Adam still had to prove himself so he was not saved.

It depends on what credit you give to the early church who taught The Way of Purgation Illumination and Union. One problem though, God will give revelation to true seekers only, so ones attitude means everything.

If you are seeking Illumination then you must be showing God that you really mean business in getting on the right footing by your obedience and humility.

 

[GodsGrace]

Really?

Is that why millions of Catholics were hoping that Pope Francis would DIE, before He did?
They are fighting inside their own cult right now over the fact that Francis ended the Latin Mass.

There have been bad Popes throughout history, but the CC has held together .... till now.
I agree with you re the feelings of Pope Francis. He split the CC in half and I'm not sure this one is any better from the little I've heard him speak.

The problem goes way beyond the Latin Mass, but this isn't the right thread.

An example is that a devout Catholic named Mel Gibson, who directed "the Passion", has been for years, against this last Pope's attempt to lead the CC into "gay priests" and "no Latin mass" and other such directives that many in the CC, despise, openly, right now.

Agreed.
But this is nothing compared to the many Protestant denominations that one could wade through when looking for a church.

OSAS, was created to resist Paul's Doctrine of Grace., 2000 yrs ago.

2,000 years ago OSAS was not heard of.
OR
I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.

Its created by Religious Jews, to get Christians to lose the correct understanding of God's Grace.... and they teach that "God's Grace is a license to sin".
Jude teaches that they twisted "God's Grace" into "Licentiiousness"...= the idea that its "license to sin"....and this deceive people into that mindset, and then they can't trust Christ to keep them saved.

But the OSAS crowd does state that one can sin and still be saved. (a life of sin - we all sin).
I've heard this many times and in different versions.l

So, OSAS is designed by religious Jews, 2000 yrs ago, to keep you inside SELF Righteousness.
That is what the Devil designed this false teaching to produce in a Christian.

Sorry B,,,I'm not understanding.
If a person believes in unconditional eternal security (OSAS) HOW is this self-righteousness??

The correct understanding of What Christ has accomplished for us on The Cross.... is not just that He Saves us, but that He keeps us saved........as if He doesnt.. then who keeps you saved?

Christ keeps us saved if we OBEY Him.
If we don't obey Christ, then we do not belong to God.

1 John 2:3-6
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 The one who says, "I have come to know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him;
5 but whoever * keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him:
6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.

The person who does not understand God's ETERNAL GIFT of Salvation......thinks....>>>"oh, i have to confess sin, and behave properly, and be water baptized, and try to be like Christ, and keep commandments......as i try to save MYSELF" ....because i dont have any Real faith in Christ to keep me saved.
They lost it.

You're doing what I stated above.
Everything you've stated above is contrary to what the NT teaches:
1. We are to confess our sins. 1 John 1 and 2
2. We are to behave properly. Matthew 7:24, 26 The foolish man and the wise man.
3. Jesus commanded baptism.
4. We must obey God -- keep His commandments.

Anyone who leads another astray is not doing the will of God. Matthew 24

I'm not posting scripture because I don't intend to change the topic of this thread.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes agreed and as I said before Adam was not united with God because he would have been wearing the full armour. The relationship was one where Adam still had to prove himself so he was not saved.

It depends on what credit you give to the early church who taught The Way of Purgation Illumination and Union. One problem though, God will give revelation to true seekers only, so ones attitude means everything.

If you are seeking Illumination then you must be showing God that you really mean business in getting on the right footing by your obedience and humility.

Whether or not Adam was saved is a good topic.
He certainly was saved in the beginning.
Was he saved after the fall?
Eve said the Lord gave her a child, so some type of relationship was present.
Also, they raised Cain and Abel to worship God.

Just some thoughts.