The big one is, being open to the possibility of one's errors facilitates learning. Those who cannot admit they are ever wrong, even to themselves, lose out on opportunities for learning.
What makes a doctrine false?
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Yes. That's a good one.
Even Jesus didn't go along with the religious status quo.
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Follow-up to the Was Jesus Orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. The previous thread examined the term 'orthodox". This thread will focus on the term "heretical". In the same way that something is not considered orthodox, it may also be termed as heretical. Thus labeling the person targeted as a...
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But then also consider:
| Jer 10:23 | O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps |
Triumph1300
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When that's the case it might be the Holy Spirit talking to you.
Note: I said "might".
St. SteVen said:
It makes you uncomfortable.
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
Can we discern the difference between the leading of the Spirit and fear of the unfamiliar?
Most put up walls around their learned beliefs to prevent any outside influences.
Like a hot-house flower that never experienced the sun, blue sky, falling rain or wind.
Hot-house flowers live a pampered life. They would not survive out in the natural elements.
Many Christian communities are doing the same thing to their congregations.
This could be why the majority of young people leave the church after they leave home.
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It makes you uncomfortable.
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
Indeed. It might be.
Can we discern the difference between the leading of the Spirit and fear of the unfamiliar?
Most put up walls around their learned beliefs to prevent any outside influences.
Like a hot-house flower that never experienced the sun, blue sky, falling rain or wind.
Hot-house flowers live a pampered life. They would not survive out in the natural elements.
Many Christian communities are doing the same thing to their congregations.
This could be why the majority of young people leave the church after they leave home.
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What makes a doctrine false?
Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.
1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)
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Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks.
1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response)
2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't looked into it)
3. Doesn't align with your church's doctrine (your church would say it is false)
4. Doesn't align with your personal doctrine (your views differ)
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
6. It makes you uncomfortable. (therefore it must be wrong)
7. Everyone knows it's false. (except those who believe it)
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Behold
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A doctrine is proven "false" when it does not perfectly align both theologically and spiritually with Paul's doctrine.
That would be...
5. YOUR "Bible" says it is false. (other biblical opinions don't matter)
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Behold
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Not at all.
See, the body of Christ, is mostly "gentiles'......because The Resurrection begain the "time of the Gentiles" whereby God is not specifically dealing with JEWS as He did in the OT.
So, during this "time of the Gentiles'".....Jesus chose "the Apostle TO the Gentiles" who is Paul......and personally gave Paul the doctrine for the Body of Christ, = IN....""""the time of the Gentiles.""
Currently the Body of Christ is still IN the "time of the Gentiles" as the Tribulation has not began, yet.
This is why Paul wrote most of the NT Epistles, and Church Doctrine.
So, when a theology, or doctrine, does not agree with Paul's.......both on a Theological level and spiritual, then that doctrine is false.
And any false Gospel, such as the one you try to sell, @St. SteVen ...(Universalism)... is against the Truth.
You are this one according to the NT.
Galatians 1:8
So, This is why Paul told Real Christians....>>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
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Who wrote these words?
Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
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Behold
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"By one man, sin entered the world"
The one "righteous act" is The Cross of Christ
The "Obedience of ONE" is Jesus, being willing to beome ...
"And God hath made JESUS, to be sin for us"....... (On The Cross)
All who Believe in Jesus, or as Jesus said.....>>"all who beleive in me"........ are the """"MANY who will be made righteous.""""
The reason that not all will be made righteous, is because not all will believe.
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St. SteVen said:
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous
Through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous
Not what it says.
Through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Not true. All will believe.
Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
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Behold
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If you use a real bible, and not a junk NIV as you are using again , then it says....
""""""For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.""
Consider that the NIV is supposed to be a more clear and easier to understand "english".........so "the many shall be made righteous"... doesn't even read very well, and does it even make sense?
Whereas a real bible, with that "old english" in it says........"by one, shall many be made righteous".
That is clear as a bell...
Universalism, is a Satanic Cross rejecting theology.
You should try to stop selling it to Real Christians @St. SteVen, as selling this cult theology, is doing the Devil's work.
Or if you prefer as before, just keep on doing it, till that is interrupted.
Listen,
People in Hell right now.....and for the last 2000 yrs, ALL BELIEVE in Jesus right now........and they are all headed to the Lake of Fire.......and not to heaven.
"realm of the dead" is Sci-Fi.
Listen again....
People in Hell right now.....and for the last 2000 yrs, ALL BELIEVE in Jesus........and they are all headed to the Lake of Fire.......and not to heaven/
Yes, that day of vengeance is coming.
Let me show you that "day of wrath" and "day of vengeance"..
2 Thess 1-8-9
Wick Stick
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Most of these are subjective. The only ones with ANY merit are #3 (the church says...) and #5 (the Bible says...)
As you point out, those come with their own issues. There are many churches who do not agree with each other. The Bible is subject to differences in interpretation.
How about some others?
- The doctrine can be empirically disproven by science
- The doctrine contains a prophecy that has already failed
- The origin of the doctrine can be traced back to a different religion
- The doctrine did not exist in Biblical times; it was fabricated in the last few centuries
- A church following the doctrine can be seen to take injury from their adherence to it
The many that shall be made righteous in Rom V 19 are only the elect, the Many , not all mankind
You've made some good points. Thanks.
The purpose of the thread was to illustrate how intolerant of others we tend to be.
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'For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,
whom we have not preached,
or if ye receive another spirit,
which ye have not received,
or another gospel,
which ye have not accepted,
ye might well bear with him.'
(2Co.11:4 )
'I marvel that ye are so soon removed
from him that called you into the grace of Christ
unto another gospel:'
(Gal.1:6)
Hello @St, Steven,
I believe a false doctrine to be a doctrine that is either not Biblical (3), or is the imposition of a truth upon this dispensation, which belongs to a past dispensation (1), or is brought forward from a future one (2), so that we are then appropriating a truth which either no longer applies, or is yet to come into force.
1) For example we are obviously no longer expected to come to God via a sacrificial offering: for Christ has died and risen from the dead opening up the way to God, through Himself.
Also the preaching, in this day of grace, that righteousness is by the works of the law and not by the faith of Christ (Rom. 4:5), is contrary to the word of God. .
2) Hymenaeus and Philetus also caused much anguish to believers in their day, because they claimed that the resurrection was passed already (2 Tim. 2:18), thereby overthrowing the faith of some.
Also by not keeping, 'The Unity of The Spirit,' in the bond of peace, with it's one body, etc., in Ephesians 4:3-7, and not recognising the things that differ between Paul's two ministries (Acts 26:16), the first ministry being the subject of Romans, Corinthians 1& 2, Thessalonians 1&2, Galatians & Hebrews.
3) Also, by the preaching of a gospel that is 'another gospel', other than that preached by Paul. Who was 'The Apostle to the Gentiles'. Taking into account that He had two ministries: which ran consecutively; the second containing the truth which applies specifically to the days following the departure of the nation of Israel into unbelief at the end of the Acts period (Acts 28:25-28), when salvation was sent to the Gentiles (Acts 28:28), followed by Israels subsequent scattering among the nations.
The content of that second ministry is found in Romans 5:12-8:39; Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon, and concerns the Church which is the body of Christ.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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