What makes a doctrine false?
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Humankind is sinful and needs a savior.
Jesus Christ paid the death penalty for humankind on the cross.
Judgement awaits humankind in the afterlife.
Correction will be provided for wrongdoing and good deeds await rewards.
In the end everything and everyone will be restored.
explain this part better 1st off man must be born again john 3:3 once born again we become a new creation in Christ. old things passed away all things become new.. we must believe from the heart Romans 10:10 we must confess Jesus Romans 10:9. its a spiritual birth quickened made alive by the spirit passed from darkness into the glorious light. our sins forgiven justified sins placed into the sea of forgetfulness
You assume that everyone has an opportunity to do all this. Not true.
Some (many) will catch up in the afterlife.
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes,
those who belong to him. - 1 Corinthians 15:23
Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without reservation, acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. No one can say that “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit. If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” you will be saved. Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living. (the reason for the bodily resurrection) Scriptural support below.
Philippians 2:10-11
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.
1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says,
“Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that
he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
Note on "acknowledge" in Philippians 2:11 from Strong's Concordance
S1843 eksomologéō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 3670 /homologéō, "say the same thing about") – properly, fully agree and to acknowledge that agreement openly (whole-heartedly); hence, to confess ("openly declare"), without reservation (no holding back).
Further reading: Isaiah 45:23; Romans 14:11; Revelation 15:4
2 Timothy 3:16
New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
New Living Translation
All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong in our lives. It corrects us when we are wrong and teaches us to do what is right.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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The forum is so dominated by your posts and the countless links to your own material that it has become almost impossible to avoid them or to find truly substantive threads. Many of your threads are shallow and display little genuine insight into the inspired Word. And whenever real substance does emerge, a new thread mysteriously appears, and the endless cycle of Steven’s musings begins again. One might even call it behavioral. It goes beyond 2 Timothy 3:7, always learning, yet never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
Hiddenthings
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“Hate” is a strong word, Steven, but I do hate the methods you use and the ceaseless questions you raise, which carry no spiritual weight. I never use the ignore feature as its possible those offenders may see the error of their ways and repent and find the humility to enter Gods Word and find the truth they desperately need.
Set aside your misunderstanding of John 3:8 and of how the Spirit of Truth moves in ways unknown to us all. You may believe you are born again, many do and you may think you possess this truth, though you do not. Yet there remains the possibility that you will move from standing on the sidelines to sensing that gentle breeze of truth upon your face, as those within the ecclesia once did.
If I were to place you on ignore, I might miss the Divine hand at work in your life, and that would be my loss.
Hiddenthings
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@Ezra This is an example of “cherry picking,” where someone who lacks understanding of the whole (Romans) focuses on a single verse. It reflects a lack of skill with the Word and insufficient discernment, ignoring how Romans 6, 7, and 8 collectively explain how a person enters, remains, and abides in Christ.
Imagine for a moment SteVen was this person:
Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?”
Matthew 7:21–23 “Not everyone who calls me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only those who do the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, and perform many mighty works in your name?’ Then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’”
Unfortunately, he seems to believe that merely copying and pasting text from the Bible somehow validates his own theology. I’ve been observing him since he joined the forum, and he appears to be even further from the truth of God’s Word now than when he first arrived on February 6, 2023.
If he asked his many questions with the genuine intent of learning the will of God, he would not be like a cloud without water, and he would have something of real substance to share.
He is not Nicodemus, yet he would do well to follow his example, BUT coming to the Lord openly, in the light of day, and learning that he is not a teacher at all.
quietthinker
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What makes a doctrine false?
'false,' in my view, is when the point (the pivot) of why the scriptures are recorded/ written is sidelined, minimised, misrepresented, distorted.'What is the point' is the inevitable question. This is what comes to mind for me...
John 5:39
'You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.'
quietthinker
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I would like to further comment on the underlined above, 'but you are not willing to come to me...'
'Coming to Jesus', what could this possibly mean?
Does it mean having lengthy and convoluted theological yada yada or interest?
Does it mean engaging a personal selection of rituals?
Does it mean giving lip service to the existence of Jesus?
Does it mean giving the nod to the bible as a valid document?
Yes, what does it mean?
Hiddenthings
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Good quote, Quiet… but to whom did it apply, and why?
This verse is often misquoted and misapplied. It is not merely an exhortation to “read the Bible,” for the Pharisees already did so diligently. Rather, Christ’s words should be understood as a rebuke to the “Jews”: “You search the Scriptures because you think they give eternal life, yet you refuse to see that these very Scriptures testify of me! You do not come to me to receive true life.” In other words, the Pharisees were avid students of Scripture, but their self-righteous attitudes and focus on trivial knowledge caused them to overlook the most important truth, their need for redemption through the coming Messiah. Right before their eyes was the fulfillment of countless prophecies, yet their hardened hearts failed to perceive it.
It is no different to those here like @St. SteVen who ask countless questions but never come to a true knowledge of God and His Truth in Christ Jesus.
St SteVen doesnt even know Scripture in a theoretical sense and even that is never enough. The study of God’s Word must lead us to embrace Christ with our whole heart and mind. Knowledge alone is sterile; only an intimate, personal encounter with Christ brings deep, lasting transformation and the eternal life that is found through him.
Jesus Christ is the Alpha and Omega of Scripture. He is the central theme from beginning to end. We glimpse him in the promise of the woman’s seed, see him foreshadowed in Noah’s ark, walk with Abraham as he anticipates the Messiah, dwell in the tents of Isaac and Jacob while trusting in God’s promise, and hear Israel speak of Shiloh. Through the types and shadows of the law, the Redeemer is abundantly revealed. Prophets, kings, priests, and preachers all point in one direction, seeking to understand the mystery of God’s great atonement.
In the New Testament, this truth is even more evident: Christ pervades every page. The substance of the New Testament is Christ crucified, and even its closing words bear his name. Scripture should always be read in this light, like a mirror reflecting Christ’s face. Though we see him dimly now, it prepares us for the day we will see him face to face. These pages are Christ’s letters to us, perfumed with his love. They are his royal garments, fragrant with myrrh, aloes, and cassia. Scripture is his chariot, his swaddling bands; unroll it, and you find your Savior. The essence of God’s Word is Christ himself.
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quietthinker
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You make my precise point Hidden with your many words and rambling. I'm persuaded that 'coming to Jesus' is exempt from all this hoopla.
first off let me say respectfully your theology is WRONG... you make your election and calling sure down here on earth before death.. there is no 2nd chance ..it seems as if your trying to use purgatory teaching .. which is a false hood. . i am not going to type out a full page of correction .. when Jesus said ye must BE BORN AGAIN. TO GO TO HEAVEN.. THE NEW BIRTH HAS TO TAKE PLACE WHILE YOUR LIVING...
you are very confused .. and very wrong ..i can show you in scripture you are being blinded by the god of this world
Hiddenthings
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i am well aware i wanted to give him the benefit of doubt.. i wanted to see his explanation before using the word wrong.. he has probably been raised like that .. he will find out judgement day if he is wrong. by that time it will be to late.. there will be no 2nd chance after death.
Hiddenthings
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Correct, there is no second chance, and the pursuit of truth is paramount while it is still called “today.” His ceaseless threads and meaningless questions are entirely misguided. A time waster and a distraction from opening the Word of God, which alone brings true light.
