What makes a doctrine false?

[St. SteVen]

The underlying principle is that OT scriptures are used to underpin a view of God which Jesus does not support. In fact, Jesus contradicts. This is denied because it is also thought that the scriptures used do not contradict Jesus.....and out of that confusion and muddling a whole plethora of error is produced......which ultimately misrepresents God.

That's a very compelling thought, considering the view most have of the Bible. (complete harmony) Doctrinal chaos.

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[Hiddenthings]

What makes a doctrine false?​

It interprets scripture independent of the reality of Jesus.
.....and what I want to know is, how many folk understand the above statement?

What if your reality of Jesus differs from mine, but it was revealed to me that my understanding was wrong or vice-versa?

 

[St. SteVen]

This does look like a good plumbline by which to measure what is true doctrine and what is false. For the person and the work of the Lord Jesus Christ, now risen and glorified, and sat at God's right hand, the position of great power and authority: is the lens through which we should scrutinise any doctrine being introduced as a requirement of God; following the ministry, death and resurrection of the Son of God; Who came both to confirm the promises made to the Fathers (Rom. 15:8), destroy the works of the Devil (1 John 3:8), and bring the hope of life eternal to both Jew and Gentile (Isaiah 49:6), who receive Him and His doctrine by faith in His all-sufficient sacrifice for sin.

Good post. Thanks.

While reading your post, the doctrine of tithing came to mind.
Based on OT scriptures; not supported in the NT.
Although giving is supported, from the heart, WITHOUT compulsion.
God loves a cheerful giver.

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[Hiddenthings]

There are many.
The underlying principle is that OT scriptures are used to underpin a view of God which Jesus does not support. In fact, Jesus contradicts. This is denied because it is also thought that the scriptures used do not contradict Jesus.....and out of that confusion and muddling a whole plethora of error is produced......which ultimately misrepresents God.

Do you have something like Matthew 23:23-24 in mind?

The most obvious is an ever burning hell where God torments certain individuals

Agree

There is also the teaching of the soul being immortal with its attendant logic

Agree

 

[quietthinker]

What if your reality of Jesus differs from mine, but it was revealed to me that my understanding was wrong or vice-versa?

We are a work in progress.

 

[quietthinker]

Do you have something like Matthew 23:23-24 in mind?

Agree

Agree

The principle is there.

 

[Lambano]

We are a work in progress.

I've been told I'm a piece of work all right.

 

[St. SteVen]

I've been told I'm a piece of work all right.

Who should we thank?

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[brightfame52]

There are many.
The underlying principle is that OT scriptures are used to underpin a view of God which Jesus does not support. In fact, Jesus contradicts. This is denied because it is also thought that the scriptures used do not contradict Jesus.....and out of that confusion and muddling a whole plethora of error is produced......which ultimately misrepresents God.

The most obvious is an ever burning hell where God torments certain individuals
There is also the teaching of the soul being immortal with its attendant logic

So are you saying you dont believe scripture teaches an eternal hell for the punishment of the wicked ?

 

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So are you saying you don't believe scripture teaches an eternal hell for the punishment of the wicked ?

'And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life
was cast into the lake of fire.'
(Rev 20:14-15)

Hello :brightfame52,

Hell is not eternal, for it is cast into the lake of fire in Rev.20:14.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[quietthinker]

So are you saying you dont believe scripture teaches an eternal hell for the punishment of the wicked ?

Not in the sense that it is generally understood.

 

[quietthinker]

Who should we thank?

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thank Lambano for acknowledging this great truth.

 

[St. SteVen]

So are you saying you dont believe scripture teaches an eternal hell for the punishment of the wicked ?

If an eternal hell is the punishment for sin, Jesus didn't pay our sin debt.

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What does not change is Paul's Doctrine... So, a Christian has to be of this truth, or they are not., and this is black and white.
There is no "grey", as the grey is why heresy and cults exist, as they are in the grey.

Paul teaches that when we are of His Doctrine, then we are "as many as be perfect" "having the same mind".

The Devil will always make certain that there is plenty of other "stuff" to read, study, and be deceived by, as that is a big part of his Ministry.
its to DECEIVE Chrisitans..........not just unbelievers.

Hello @Behold,

The doctrine that Paul preaches was given to him by the One Who met with Him on the Road to Damascus, and turned his world upside down in a moment. He it is Who is the subject of Paul's gospel. As the Apostle of Christ, chosen by God the Father, to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, He faithfully preaches the word which he has been sent to deliver. His insistence on referring to the gospel he preached as, 'My Gospel', was to distinguish Himself and his words from that of those who were preaching a false gospel.

I praise God for Paul's Gospel, For He preached Christ risen and glorified and sat at God's right hand, that position of great power and authority, and I live looking for the appearing of Christ my Saviour, as He did: For when He Who is our life appears in glory, so will all the members of the Church which is His Body, 'in Him' Who is their Head (Col. 3:4).

Praise God!

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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If an eternal hell is the punishment for sin, Jesus didn't pay our sin debt.

'For the wages of sin is death;
but the gift of God is eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.'
(Rom 6:23)

Hello @St.SteVen,

Eternal life is a gift of God, received through faith in the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ. Not all receive it, for they do not all have faith in God or in His Son, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Hell is not eternal (Rev. 20:14), and is also not a place of eternal conscious punishment as tradition asserts. the wages of sin is death (i.e.,the absence of life).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Behold]

Hell is not eternal, and is not a place of eternal conscious punishment as tradition asserts.

No NT verse in the bible agrees with what you've posted and verses that speak about Hell, define it as horrible.
Jesus did as well.
Eventually, Hell ends up in the lake of Fire.

 

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No NT verse in the bible agrees with what you've posted and verses that speak about Hell, define it as horrible.
Jesus did as well.
Eventually, Hell ends up in the lake of Fire.

Hello @Behold,

I know that you believe in the traditional view of hell as a place of eternal conscious punishment: Yet contrary to what you believe it is not the testimony of Scripture. Hell itself is not eternal, for it is cast into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14). Hell being the place of the dead. There is no consciousness in death.

When the Lord Jesus Christ referred to Hell, he referred to the fires of end time judgement, to 'Gehenna' which is a constantly burning rubbish dump outside of Jerusalem, in the valley of Hinnom. It will be the repository of the dead following the battle of Armageddon, and of the dead who are raised to judgement and are judged justly before sentencing, if so be, to have part in the second death.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Behold]

Hello @Behold,

I know that you believe in the traditional view of hell as a place of eternal conscious punishment: Yet contrary to what you say it is not the testimony of Scripture. Hell itself is not eternal

I previousl wrote to you, that Hell ends up in the Lake of Fire.
Thanks for repeating it in your post.

Listen, the Bible explains that Hell is Torment.
Jesus said that its better to take out your own eye and cut off your offening hand, then to go there.
So, you dont have to believe Him.......you are welcome to your commentaries and your opinion.

 

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I previousl wrote to you, that Hell ends up in the Lake of Fire.
Thanks for repeating it in your post.

Listen, the Bible explains that Hell is Torment.
Jesus said that its better to take out your own eye and cut off your offending hand, then to go there.
So, you don;t have to believe Him....... you are welcome to your commentaries and your opinion.

Hi @Behold,

I would prefer not to be in opposition to you, but on this subject I am unfortunately. If you believe I am wrong then do please show me the verses to look at, which speak of torment and I will consider them. If you have Luke 16:19-31 in mind, and the story of the rich man and Lazarus, then that will not convince me, because the Lord Jesus is using divine irony within it, showing up the hypocrisy of Pharisaic tradition: Who believed that the dead could communicate with the living. It shows how they denied the truths of Scripture in favour of their own tradition.

I have made a personal intensive Biblical study of this, so not received it from either commentary or teacher: and my own opinion counts for nothing where the word of God is concerned.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Behold]

Hi @Behold,

I would prefer not to be in opposition to you, but on this subject I am unfortunately.

Hell was initially created for """"the Devil and His angels".

So, this concludes that its going to be a torment, regarding what its like to be there as its created as their punishment.

Also...Jesus is putting a context on Hell, the torment of it,... by comparing it to tearing out your own eye., that Hell is worse.
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New International Version If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. New Living Translation So if your eye—even your good eye—causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. English Standard Version If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell. Berean Standard Bible If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Berean Literal Bible And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you. For it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should be cast into Gehenna. King James Bible And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. New King James Version If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. New American Standard Bible Now if your right eye is causing you to sin, tear it out and throw it away from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. NASB 1995 “If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. NASB 1977 “And if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out, and throw it from you; for it is better for you that one of the parts of your body perish, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Legacy Standard Bible But if your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. Amplified Bible If your right eye makes you stumble and leads you to sin, tear it out and throw it away [that is, remove yourself from the source of temptation]; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.