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  1. batheltler01

    batheltler01 New Member

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    So I made a post some time ago looking for wisdom about whether my sin had killed me spiritually.

    If you care to read the post, here it is:
    Has my sin killed me spiritually? Loss of salvation


    I have come to determine with a great level of certainty that my heart has hardened past the point of repentance due to continued sin. I feel no brokenness or conviction over my sin nor do I have the desires of the Lord anymore. I find no ability to turn away from sin from a heart level like I once did. All that I am left with is severe fear of my future condemnation. As I read Hebrews, I see that my life now matches up perfectly with Hebrews 6:4, as well as Hebrews 10:26. I have spent time consulting with my pastor and other believing friends. They seem to believe that I am still a believer, but I sincerely disagree. I think they are coming around though.

    As I have come to the conclusion that I am beyond repentance, my question is what is the best thing for me to do next. I cannot spend my life walking in apostasy creating greater condemnation for myself upon my death. Life is too much to live apart from Christ. There is no meaning to life other than Christ and there is no joy apart from him. I cannot continue with life apart from Christ. However, I see no other way to handle the situation other than suicide. Does anyone have any better suggestions or wisdom to give?

    I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did, but there is no denial that someone can become like those mentioned in Hebrews. I have become one. What then do I do now?
     
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    1stCenturyLady Well-Known Member

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    I went through a similar period after having been gloriously baptized in the Holy Spirit a few years before, where I didn't want to go to church anymore. Part of a prophecy I received that glorious day was that "when your heart melts I will send the rain." Then when I was in this wilderness period that you are going through, I simply asked God, how long will my heart be hard? He immediately spoke and said "10 years."

    I'm long past that part of my life and am very tight with God. Hope that helps.
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    I just think you gave Satan one too many footholds with the porn and, he came back with 7 more demons? He can make us believe anything we allow him to. God is not a "feeling" (Thank Him, lol) He is Truth...He has not let me down yet...even through my sin. Peaks and valleys. I believe Christians can go through these very dry, empty periods...yes years even. You obviously realize there is no life without Christ and, you did not mention if you were "practicing" any other kind of outward sinning like, sleeping around. And, if so, do you enjoy it?
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    "I know some of you may land in a more reformed camp like I once did..." <---This tells me allot as I have been to 2 "reformed" Church's, and it brought me nothing BUT condemnation and lack of assurance.
     
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  5. batheltler01

    batheltler01 New Member

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    I mean, sin always feels good in the moment. So for a moment, yes. Prior to this experience, I hated it. During this time, I'm not sure. I haven't been super involved with it since this started so I'm not honestly sure. I know that when it started I felt nothing at all. No love for it but no hatred for it. Just dullness.
    I did pursue, to some extent, drinking to numb the loneliness and pain. I saw that shortly after the behavior had started the Lord, super graciously, gave me a gag reflex to most alcohol so I couldn't drink even if I wanted to in a moment.
     
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    Well the good thing is. You are NOT "beyond repentance. "

    If you were then you would care if you were or not.
    The very fact that you have posted here shows that your heart is not as hard as you think it is.

    If you are serious then just go to the Lord and say. "If this is all real, then warm my heart up again toward You. ".

    But, if you are just posting for postings sake...just ignore this.

    But I actually do not believe that your heart is still ( unconsciously ) seeking God. Your heart believes what your mind does not.

    Bless you .
     
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    H. Richard Well-Known Member

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    How, and why, did you lose your trust in Jesus' work on the cross. When did you stop understanding that all your sins of the flesh were paid for on the cross.

    Who told you that god can not save the ungodly? Why are you trusting in your flesh to save you?
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    We all have our thorn in the side. The only unforgivable sin is giving up. Adam and Eve gave up rather than running to God for forgiveness. It is too bad that a chemical reaction in your brain, which will be altered when you age and depending on the medications you may be taking in the future, might cause you to turn away from God! I suggest you weather this storm - we’ve all dealt with it at one time or another. A person in my past used to say, ‘welcome to humanity!’ When I meantioned my struggle with habitual sin
     
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    [QUOTE="Willie T, post: 559479, member: 7611"[/QUOTE] Removed

    Hey Willie

    Nice to see you, hope the pain is abating now.
    We miss you on here. :(
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    Thanks. But it is actually getting worse, and I am now on a third pain medicine that still isn't working any better than the first two.
     
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    Nancy Well-Known Member

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    Well then, it seems you have some awesome women about to pray for you!
     
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    Willie T Well-Known Member

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    And also one at home who is doing a great job of putting up with me through this mess.
     
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    I will take you at your word, that you have hardened your heart and God will not allow any repentance.

    However, your statement that your life is apart from Christ is not correct. If your life was apart from Christ you would not be worried about your salvation as you are.

    One of the greatest men of the Old Testament was not allowed to repent for his sin. Moses was denied forgiveness for his sin in smiting the Rock the second time instead of speaking to the Rock as commanded by God. Moses was never allowed in the promised land as a result. The promised land is not Heaven. It is the believer walking in victory over the Lords enemies here and now. Moses most certainly went to Heaven. Was he not there with Elijah and Jesus at the Transfiguaration?

    You are right that there is no meaning to life without Christ. But you are not without Christ. And suicide is not the answer. The answer is to understand you position with God. God brings judgement upon sin that He allows no repentance for. That doesn't mean a loss of Heaven for you. But it does mean you may lose something here, in your walk of salvation with God. Just as Moses did.

    What do you do now? Continue on as one who has stumbled. Continue on in your walk of faith. Do not think Jesus Christ has turned away from you. He is your only judge. And the One Who shall judge you, died for you.

    Stranger
     
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    Self sabotage is a choice but it needn't be the choice. While there is life there is hope.
     
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    marks Well-Known Member

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    Faith is not equal to feelings.
     
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    never say never...... many struggle with sin in their life, but take hope. Romans 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
    Romans 5:16 "And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many offences unto justification.
    Romans 5:17 "For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
    Romans 5:18 "Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life.
    Romans 5:19 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
    Romans 5:20 "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound (WE SUGGEST YOU READ THIS TWICE).
    Romans 5:21 "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

    now the icing on the cake, 1 Timothy 1:15 "This [is] a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief".

    so don't think that your picture is the only one on the holy post office wall, ok.

    PICJAG.
     
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    Psa 31:22, For I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes: nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee.

    Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    Luk 1:37, For with God nothing shall be impossible.
     
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    The harden sinner has no regrets about not following Jesus. You are not as hardened as you think.
    May I suggest talking with your minister.

    If live without Jesus is worthless and you are afraid of hell, seek Jesus more urgently.

    The prodigal son thought he had alienated his father perminently, yet his Father was looking for him.
    You assume that your sin is greater than Jesus's love, power and willingness to forgive you.
    Isn't that pride in your sin. Who really has the greater power?
     
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    Well you are on the right track.

    Only by you dying will you be able to stop sinning. But thanks be to God this is exactly what our salvation in Christ consists of;

    “When Christ died you died”.

    It is seeing that our deaths in Christ is that thing that will set us free from the dictates of our fallen nature. For until than you will tighten down your will power screw till it strips all the threads off and you will be besides yourself screaming for a way out of your own sinfulness. But you have not gone to far, you have not gone far enough to see that only by your death is freedom from sin to be found. But once you are willing to die rather than sin the scripture to “reckon yourself dead onto sin and alive unto God” will be your life line to walking in newness of life. For walking in newness of life is for all Christians for all time. For once this truth is made real in your innermost being you will jump for joy at the chance to “reckon yourself dead unto sin and alive unto God” for in it is the all of walking in newness of life.

    Blessings as you take these thoughts before God to ask Him if there be any truth in them.

    Keep that soft and open heart before God and search these truths out. For blessings and joy and freedom from sin will be found.

    Much love in Christ, Not me
     
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    batheltler01 New Member

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    This is really difficult for me to say and It’s been really difficult for me to admit but I find myself uninterested in repentance on a heart level. I know that I need repentance but on a heart level I’m not seeing a need for it. My will wants to but my heart isn’t interested. I feel almost a hatred for God. By my strength of will I keep crying out but there’s no heart sincerity behind it. Is this the point of no return or might He soften my heart and have mercy on me?
     
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