At the end of the day, we serve Christ, not Law.Amen! The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts.
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At the end of the day, we serve Christ, not Law.Amen! The moral aspect of the law is written on our hearts.
Is that so??Your grandparents and their pastor didn't believe any of this junk.
There is a LOT of rhetoric on this thread!Hi Barney. For me it's not about having an anti-Sabbatarian ax to grind.
Exactly! As it is with ALL "Law Keepers". They always select which parts to keep, and which parts not, making it entirely their own Law, some of it approriated from God's Law, but never the entire Law and Prophets.If keeping the weekly sabbath day is still in effect today, then why don't Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the Lord commanded in regard to it?
Is that so??
Huh! I had no idea you knew so many people so many years ago! My grandparents were NOT Sabbath keepers. Nor was their pastor!
You would dare to appropriate my relatives for your argument? No way.
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Did you have a real response, or just throwing rocks?
You should think this through!
Love and Trust. Rest in Christ, the true spiritual rest, rather than a material observance to keep you right with God.
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That's what I was doing also.Just clearing the air.
Consider what you posted. You grabbed onto a generation as your support. Not valid.Aren't you taking something I said to someone else a little more personally than even they did?
Consider what you posted. You grabbed onto a generation as your support. Not valid.
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Then how is it that the internalized Sabbath seems to escape you?By the way, the "no law without the temple" stuff doesn't really work very well considering that after the veil was rent in two when Christ breathed His last, the concept of the temple on Earth was revealed to be the human individual (1 Corinthians 6:19) where it really always belonged. God always meant for the atonement prefigured by the Levitical system to be internalized in the soul. David, especially, understood this. There's only one covenant that has ever saved anyone—New/Everlasting.
No, I'm not taking it personally, only, you don't have the right to speak for others whom you don't even know. It's a purely invalid argument.Non-answer
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This sounds like a more balanced statement. I happen to know what my grandparents believed. They believed in a rest in Christ, as the Bible teaches.I didn't say his grandparents were Sabbath-keepers. And I wouldn't speculate that yours were, either. But I don't think it's much of a stretch to suspect they didn't believe any of the anti-Sabbatarian nonsense that gets loaded onto this board. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.
It would be interesting seeing you try to validate this statement.Your grandparents and their pastor didn't believe any of this junk.
That's what I was doing also.
I've learned to pay attention to how people address others, for, out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
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Then how is it that the internalized Sabbath seems to escape you?
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No, I'm not taking it personally, only, you don't have the right to speak for others whom you don't even know. It's a purely invalid argument.
This sounds like a more balanced statement. Though You don't know what they did and didn't believe. I do. They believed in a rest in Christ, as the Bible teaches.
It would be interesting seeing you try to validate this statement.
Mostly, I think it's just rhetoric. Vanity. There seems to be a lot on this thread!
No, no problem at all, actually. How people address others tells me about them, it's just like the Bible says.That might pose difficulties for your practice.
It's a part of the Law covenant God made with Israel. Which you would enforce the material observance upon all people, apart from Israel. Nowhere is it commanded in the Bible EXCEPT to Israel.For one thing, the Sabbath isn't part of the Levitical system and, secondly, I internalize the Sabbath like you could hardly imagine.
I'm just saying, it's not a valid argument.What are my rights? I wasn't speaking for anyone. If you want to take something I said to someone else uber-seriously, you're certainly within your rights.
I didn't say they didn't believe in a rest in Christ apart from the Sabbath, as the Bible does indeed teach.
Which "junk" didn't they believe, and how do you know this?? Serious question. Tell me, should we be able to support our statements?Your grandparents and their pastor didn't believe any of this junk.
Hey, I don't have an objection to you resting on Saturday. Maybe that offends you?On the other hand, you didn't say whether or not they had biblical objections to keeping a literal day of rest and worship once a week. And I suspect they didn't, as much as that seems likely to offend you.
OK, no worries.Validate it? I hardly think that'll be necessary, since it was just rhetoric, but it wasn't my intention to convey vanity. And, again, it was directed to someone I know well enough to justify making the leap.
I'm just pointing to what I see as poor arguments.And I think you're being disagreeable more than just disagreeing.
And if that's the way you intend to continue, I wouldn't be interested in any further exchange.
It's a part of the Law covenant God made with Israel. Which you would enforce the material observance upon all people, apart from Israel.
Hey, I don't have an objection to you resting on Saturday. Maybe that offends you?
Exactly! As it is with ALL "Law Keepers". They always select which parts to keep, and which parts not, making it entirely their own Law, some of it approriated from God's Law, but never the entire Law and Prophets.
Always!
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If the Adventist confess the Lord Jesus and believe in their heart that God has raised him from the dead then yes, I believe they are saved.
Exactly! And why is it I would be offended? Something about sauces, and geese, and ganders . . .Why would that offend me?
I don't see hostility toward the Sabbath, but I do see strong oppositions to requiring people to keep the Mosaic Law.The hostility towards the Sabbath
What is the "attitude" here? I'm saying, anyone who says we are to keep the Law invariably doesn't mean all the Law. If making this statement shows some certain attitude, OK.This has been explained so many times, there's hardly any need for anyone to be exhibiting this attitude.
Proving my assertion. You've selected a portion of God's covenant with Israel to take for yourself.The laws that Adventists, in particular, keep from the Torah are only the ones that support the principles contained in the Ten Commandments.
I agree, from the place of trusting Jesus and loving others.We don't believe we have any right to practice things that would tend to degrade the stewardship of the things for which God holds us responsible such as body, mind, family, property, etc.
Exactly! And why is it I would be offended? Something about sauces, and geese, and ganders . . .
I don't see hostility toward the Sabbath, but I do see strong oppositions to requiring people to keep the Mosaic Law.
What is the "attitude" here? I'm saying, anyone who says we are to keep the Law invariably doesn't mean all the Law. If making this statement shows some certain attitude, OK.
Proving my assertion. You've selected a portion of God's covenant with Israel to take for yourself.
I agree, from the place of trusting Jesus and loving others.
We need to be careful with what we say is required for Christians. What is required is to be redeemed by Jesus' shed blood. To join Him in death and resurrection and thereby be saved. Nothing adds to that.
And Just So You Know . . . I'm not a "Sabbath Hater". I love the Sabbath, as God intends it for me, a gentile, to rest in Christ.
Much love!