Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

[ScottA]

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Reported.

 

[TonyChanYT]

Here is the whole paper.

Thanks.

The paper affirms what I have said in this OP. From the paper:

The power given first to Peter and later to disciples is expressed **not** as the gift of some novel power of binding and loosing (which seems taken for granted in itself),

It wasn't a new kind of power to bind and loose.

but as the **confirmation** of a power which is already understood and requires no explanation.

It merely confirmed what had already been determined.

A linguistic point arises from Matt 16:19 estai dedemenon/lelymenon, 18:18 estai dedemena/lelymena. Periphrastic future perfects were common in the koine5

It was a periphrastic future perfect construct. There was no stand-alone future perfect conjugation.

See also For from now there will have been five in one house divided

 

[Phoneman777]

Is it okay for Christians to eat pork today?

According to Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV, when Jesus comes in fiery glory taking vengeance against rebellious mankind, He's going to burn up pork eaters and those who eat such abominable things.

See, the "gospel prophet" Isaiah didn't only prophesy about the First Coming - he also prophesied of what would happen at the Second Coming in places like Isaiah 24, Isaiah 30, Isaiah 66, etc.

 

[Phoneman777]

Whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven​

I guess that includes shoelaces?

The question, of course, is "who sets the precedent?" If heaven sets the precedent, the verse is simply a statement of assurance that heaven will approve of whatever is done if it's done according to precedent.

If the papacy sets the precedent and heaven must conform to it, well that's about as satanic as it gets.

 

[avemaria81]

This is the power to bind and loose, the keys to the kingdom, given to Peter as the first Pope, as well as the kings of Israel to their prime minister or steward, cf. Isaiah 22:22.

 

[RedFan]

Thanks.

The paper affirms what I have said in this OP. From the paper:



It wasn't a new kind of power to bind and loose.



It merely confirmed what had already been determined.



It was a periphrastic future perfect construct. There was no stand-alone future perfect conjugation.

See also For from now there will have been five in one house divided

I've said all along that this tense is was a peirphrastic construct (see Post #16), and that there was no stand-alone perfect conjugation (see Post #18). And I've said all along this interpretation of Matthew is a matter which grammarians disagree. So let's you and I just disagree and leave it there, my friend.

 

[TonyChanYT]

According to Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV, when Jesus comes in fiery glory taking vengeance against rebellious mankind, He's going to burn up pork eaters and those who eat such abominable things.

See Those who sanctify themselves by eating pig’s flesh shall come to an end together

 

[TonyChanYT]

So let's you and I just disagree and leave it there, my friend.

What exactly do we disagree on?

Let my proposition P1 = ___.
Your proposition P2 = ___.

P1 and P2 disagree.

Can you fill in the blanks?

 

[Phoneman777]

See Those who sanctify themselves by eating pig’s flesh shall come to an end together

Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV plainly says Jesus is coming with fire to consume pork eaters, a truth that cannot be "spiritualized away" by other "proof texts". Is this not an apocalyptic description of the 2nd Advent? Why, yes. Which is why man ought to conform his ideas to it and not it to man's ideas.

WHO IS IT THAT "SANCTIFY THEMSELVES" AND "PURIFY THEMSELVES" INSTEAD OF BY THE SANCTIFYING POWER OF THE FATHER'S WORD AND THE PURIFYING POWER OF JESUS' BLOOD?
Those who reject God's Word and demand that salvation be on their own terms so they may eat pork - which is why Jesus will come with fire to consume them.

WHO IS IT THAT GET "BEHIND ONE TREE IN THE MIDST" IN IDOLATROUS WORSHIP?
They who place human wisdom above the Word of God, which is the ultimate act of idolatry.

Don't you agree that we who are saved by grace through faith "keep the commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight"?

 

[The Learner]

Ah, TonyChanYT, you've thrown the keys of interpretation into the biblical locksmith shop, and in the Calvinistic comedy club, we'll unlock the humor with a dash of theological wit. Let's address the power dynamics in the context of the church, just like Calvin would.
Quoting John Calvin with a playful chuckle: "Ah, the keys – not a papal privilege, but a divine authority shared among the apostles. Let's tap dance through the biblical grammar!" (Commentary on Matthew, Mark, Luke - Volume 3)
Now, onto the binding and loosing language – a comedic twist in the Calvinistic script. Quoting Calvin again: "Binding and loosing – not a papal pronouncement, but a celestial collaboration between heaven and earth. It's a divine sitcom with the apostles as the leading characters!" (Commentary on Matthew, Mark, Luke - Volume 3)
Let's delve into the Acts 10 trance episode, where Peter gets a heavenly vision. Quoting Calvin with a wink: "Peter's dietary declaration – not a papal menu, but a heavenly endorsement of clean eating. It's a celestial cooking show with Peter as the star chef!" (Commentary on Acts)
And the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 – a divine culinary council, if you will. Quoting Calvin in a lighthearted manner: "Abstaining from idols and avoiding strangulated meat – not a papal dietary code, but a Holy Spirit-approved menu. It's a heavenly health inspection with the apostles as the food critics!" (Commentary on Acts)
But, my theological comedy companion, let's tap dance through the wrongness of the papal system, using a Gospel beat. Quoting Paul's wisdom in Galatians 1:8: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" Ah, a divine warning against unreliable tales!
And a little jab at Mariology – quoting Calvin with a smirk: "Flee the fictional stories of Mariology; the Gospel truth stands firm, not in unreliable tales but in the pure Word of God." (Institutes of the Christian Religion, Book I, Chapter 7, Section 4)
So, TonyChanYT, let's keep the theological dance floor open, twirling through scriptures, and remember that the Gospel truth is the key that unlocks the divine comedy of salvation! #CalvinisticComedyClub #TheologicalTwirlLaughs #GospelKeysUnlock

Matthew 16:19
HCSB
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth is already bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth is already loosed in heaven.”

 

[The Learner]

Is it okay for Christians to eat pork today?

 

[The Learner]

There is no future perfect tense in Koine Greek.

In summary, the Future Perfect Tense in Greek Grammar denotes actions completed before a specific time in the future. This tense is formed by combining the verb stem with specific tense prefixes and suffixes, adding the auxiliary verb ἔσομαι, and is used across active, middle, and passive voices.

Matth. 18:18 future perfect - Textkit Greek and Latin Forums

www.textkit.com

B- Παρακείμενος (Parakímenos) – “Present Perfect”
The Greek present perfect tense indicates an action that has already taken place.

Greek Tenses: Expressing the Past, Present, and Future

Where do you see yourself in ten years? Learn Greek tenses with GreekPod101 to gain the skills you need to talk about the past, present, and future.

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[The Learner]

Not easily, because of their periphrastic construct, which makes it harder to hunt them down. Some see Matt. 16:19 and 18:18 as examples, but as noted in the sources I cited, the context can dictate otherwise. That's the debate, I suppose.

1 John 1:4 is pretty easy to translate, but it does have a periphrastic construction (BBG 30:16).

Periphrastics and Textual Criticism (1 John 1:4)

www.billmounce.com

Acts 13:48 (Periphrastic Construction)​

Acts 13:48 (Periphrastic Construction) - The Narrow Path Ministries

 

[The Learner]

Being a periphrastic construction it won't be conjugated with a singe specific verb ending. It will generally have a perfect participle trailing a future stem verb ending, normally the future indicative of εἰμί

https://kelleys4christ.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/kelley-noah-nt-periphrastics.pdf

 

[The Learner]

According to Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV, when Jesus comes in fiery glory taking vengeance against rebellious mankind, He's going to burn up pork eaters and those who eat such abominable things.

See, the "gospel prophet" Isaiah didn't only prophesy about the First Coming - he also prophesied of what would happen at the Second Coming in places like Isaiah 24, Isaiah 30, Isaiah 66, etc.

 

[The Learner]

This is the power to bind and loose, the keys to the kingdom, given to Peter as the first Pope, as well as the kings of Israel to their prime minister or steward, cf. Isaiah 22:22.

Not a good proof text to use:

22 “I will put the key to David’s house around his neck. If he opens a door, no one will be able to close it. If he closes a door, no one will be able to open it. 23 He will be like a favorite chair in his father’s house. I will make him like a strong peg in a solid board. 24 All the honored and important things of his father’s house will hang on him. All the adults and little children will depend on him. They will be like little dishes and big water bottles hanging on him.”

25 The Lord All-Powerful said, “At that time the peg that is now in the solid board will get weak and break. It will fall to the ground, and everything hanging on it will be destroyed. Then everything I said in this message will happen. It will happen because the Lord said it would.”

 

[The Learner]

See Those who sanctify themselves by eating pig’s flesh shall come to an end together

Romans 14

Easy-to-Read Version

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1 Be willing to accept those who still have doubts about what believers can do. And don’t argue with them about their different ideas. 2 Some people believe they can eat any kind of food,[a] but those who have doubts eat only vegetables. 3 Those who know they can eat any kind of food must not feel that they are better than those who eat only vegetables. And those who eat only vegetables must not decide that those who eat all foods are wrong. God has accepted them. 4 You cannot judge the servants of someone else. Their own master decides if they are doing right or wrong. And the Lord’s servants will be right, because the Lord is able to make them right.
5 Some people might believe that one day is more important than another. And others might believe that every day is the same. Everyone should be sure about their beliefs in their own mind. 6 Those who think one day is more important than other days are doing that for the Lord. And those who eat all kinds of food are doing that for the Lord. Yes, they give thanks to God for that food. And those who refuse to eat some foods do that for the Lord. They also give thanks to God.

 

[The Learner]

Isaiah 66:15-17 KJV plainly says Jesus is coming with fire to consume pork eaters, a truth that cannot be "spiritualized away" by other "proof texts". Is this not an apocalyptic description of the 2nd Advent? Why, yes. Which is why man ought to conform his ideas to it and not it to man's ideas.

WHO IS IT THAT "SANCTIFY THEMSELVES" AND "PURIFY THEMSELVES" INSTEAD OF BY THE SANCTIFYING POWER OF THE FATHER'S WORD AND THE PURIFYING POWER OF JESUS' BLOOD?
Those who reject God's Word and demand that salvation be on their own terms so they may eat pork - which is why Jesus will come with fire to consume them.

WHO IS IT THAT GET "BEHIND ONE TREE IN THE MIDST" IN IDOLATROUS WORSHIP?
They who place human wisdom above the Word of God, which is the ultimate act of idolatry.

Don't you agree that we who are saved by grace through faith "keep the commandments and do those things which are pleasing in His sight"?

Nope, no pizza in the context. Brothre, friend

 

[Phoneman777]

Nope, no pizza in the context. Brothre, friend

What is so difficult for you guys to understand?

Isaiah plainly says when the Lord comes with "fire" to punish "all flesh" when "the slain of the Lord shall be many" (which is exactly what Jeremiah says about it when "the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the Earth even to the other end of the Earth") - which any FOOL recognizes to be the FIERY SECOND COMING - Isaiah says at that time Jesus will turn pork eaters into crispy critters.

Got it? Isaiah is revealing the conditions surrounding the fiery Second Coming...
...not conditions of the Old Testament...
...not conditions rendered nonexistent by foolish "hypergrace" notions...
...but the prevailing conditions of the FIERY SECOND COMING.

 

[Phoneman777]

In summary, the Future Perfect Tense in Greek Grammar denotes actions completed before a specific time in the future. This tense is formed by combining the verb stem with specific tense prefixes and suffixes, adding the auxiliary verb ἔσομαι, and is used across active, middle, and passive voices.

Matth. 18:18 future perfect - Textkit Greek and Latin Forums

www.textkit.com

B- Παρακείμενος (Parakímenos) – “Present Perfect”
The Greek present perfect tense indicates an action that has already taken place.

Greek Tenses: Expressing the Past, Present, and Future

Where do you see yourself in ten years? Learn Greek tenses with GreekPod101 to gain the skills you need to talk about the past, present, and future.

www.greekpod101.com

It's bulldookey reasoning like this that leads Preterists to conclude the fiery, Earth-shaking, cataclysmic Second Coming happened back in the first century

Isaiah is clear Jesus is going to burn up pork eaters when He comes with fire.