When “God Told Me” Becomes a License to Lie

[ScottA]

Yes, you fell short by your own yardstick.

You apply one standard to yourself and a different standard to everyone else. Enough said.

Why does this offend you, when it was you yourself who fell short? For, it is written: "to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability."

 

[bdavidc]

Look--I am not going to rehash every point. But I have named and identified your false statements when they occur. You not receiving the correction, does not mean I have not stated it--it's all recorded here in print.

Again, you reject the idea--but yes, you are persecuting Christ in me. But you have yet to even know or acknowledge that there are those who do that [as it is written] and that you might be one of them. I get it--nobody likes to hear it. But that doesn't mean you are right, it just means you are human. Meanwhile, you continue to post things in need of correction [also as it is written].

As for using scripture to test my claims--you fail from the get go. You can't just raise up that sword from one side that favors your own issues and think you are doing God's work and performing a godly approved test. And that certainly does not work against God's legitimate ongoing acts with whom He sends out to further His kingdom "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little." Not many of which have historically been received. Go figure. To the contrary, what you are doing is what has divided church communities now for millennia. It's a pattern, and you have fallen right into it--and yes, it is against Christ.

You still have not named one false statement I made or proved it wrong from Scripture. Saying you corrected me somewhere in the thread is not an answer. Quote the statement and show the verse that proves it false.

Your claim that I am “persecuting Christ in you” is both serious and presumptuous. Paul was persecuting believers, imprisoning them, and consenting to their deaths. I am asking you to prove your teachings from Scripture. Those are not remotely the same thing.

The Bereans were called noble because they examined even Paul’s teaching by Scripture to see whether those things were so. Acts 17:11. John said, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God.” 1 John 4:1. Paul said that even if he or an angel preached another gospel, that message was to be rejected. Galatians 1:8.

No man who claims to speak for God is exempt from being tested by the written Word.

I am not interested in your opinion, your personal interpretation, or something you claim God told you. I am interested in what God has actually said in Scripture.

“Let God be true, but every man a liar.” Romans 3:4

You accuse me of using Scripture from only one side, but you still have not shown where I misused a passage. You merely declare yourself to be one of those whom God has sent and then accuse anyone who questions you of opposing Christ. That is not evidence. That is self-authorization.

You also misuse “precept upon precept, line upon line” from Isaiah 28 as though it validates ongoing revelation through men. In context, that passage is judgment against people who refused to hear God’s clear Word. It is not permission to claim private revelation or add meanings that cannot be plainly established from Scripture.

Christ is not divided because people test teachings by Scripture. Division comes when men teach their own ideas and refuse correction. Romans 16:17 warns against those who cause divisions “contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned.”

You are not Christ. Your words are not Scripture. Your confidence does not make your claims true, and accusing me of persecuting Christ does not excuse you from proving them.

Either identify the false statement, quote it, and refute it from the Bible, or admit that you cannot.

 

[bdavidc]

Yeah that's why and how all the catholics and so called reformed theology people go by false doctrine.

That's what the devil keep tell people.

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Yep. This is what the catholics and so called reformed theology people do

Exactly. The Holy Spirit does not contradict the Word of God, add to it, or lead anyone away from it. Jesus said, “Thy word is truth.” John 17:17

The Holy Spirit still teaches and guides believers, but He does so through the truth God has already given us. No private revelation, opinion, or personal interpretation has authority over Scripture.

Everything must be tested by the Bible. If it agrees with God’s Word, receive it. If it does not, reject it, no matter who says it or how spiritual they claim to be.

 

[ScottA]

You still have not named one false statement I made or proved it wrong from Scripture.

You also misuse “precept upon precept, line upon line” from Isaiah 28 as though it validates ongoing revelation through men. In context, that passage is judgment against people who refused to hear God’s clear Word.

You're still doing it. It is written, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy."

And that is me doing again what you say I never did. But will that shut you up? Will you change and repent? Probably not. But you have been put on notice.

Oh, and those who "liked" what you said and have chimed in with you and others--let's see if they now come back and repent as well.

 

[bdavidc]

You're still doing it. It is written, "And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy."

And that is me doing again what you say I never did. But will that shut you up? Will you change and repent? Probably not. But you have been put on notice.

Oh, and those who "liked" what you said and have chimed in with you and others--let's see if they now come back and repent as well.

No, quoting Acts 2 does not prove what you claim it proves. It shows that the Holy Spirit was poured out and that prophecy took place. It does not prove that every person who claims revelation today is speaking for God, and it certainly does not prove that private revelation can be used to add to, change, or override what God has already given in Scripture.

Peter said, “This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel” ~Acts 2:16. He was explaining what was happening at Pentecost. You are taking that passage and using it as though it gives you personal authority to declare that your own understanding came directly from God. It does not.

Even when prophecy was operating in the church, it had to be judged. “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” ~1 Corinthians 14:29. John said, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” ~1 John 4:1. Paul said, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” ~1 Thessalonians 5:21.

That means your claim is not above examination just because you attach the Holy Spirit to it. Saying God showed you something does not make it true. Quoting Acts 2 does not prove your interpretation, and telling people to repent because they refuse to accept your private claims is not biblical authority. It is pride.

You still have not shown one false statement I made and proved it wrong from Scripture. You quoted a passage, assumed it supported you, and then declared that everyone else should repent. That is not rightly dividing the Word of truth. That is forcing Scripture to serve your own position.

You asked whether this would shut me up. No, it will not. As long as you keep twisting Scripture and using the name of the Holy Spirit to shield your claims from examination, I will answer you with the Word of God.

The Bereans were called noble because they “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” ~Acts 17:11. They did not bow to a man’s claim of revelation. They tested what they heard by Scripture. That is exactly what I am doing.

You are the one who needs to repent of treating your private interpretation as though it carries the authority of God. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” ~Isaiah 8:20.

 

[ScottA]

No, quoting Acts 2 does not prove what you claim it proves. It shows that the Holy Spirit was poured out and that prophecy took place. It does not prove that every person who claims revelation today is speaking for God, and it certainly does not prove that private revelation can be used to add to, change, or override what God has already given in Scripture.

Peter said, “This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel” ~Acts 2:16. He was explaining what was happening at Pentecost. You are taking that passage and using it as though it gives you personal authority to declare that your own understanding came directly from God. It does not.

Even when prophecy was operating in the church, it had to be judged. “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” ~1 Corinthians 14:29. John said, “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” ~1 John 4:1. Paul said, “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” ~1 Thessalonians 5:21.

That means your claim is not above examination just because you attach the Holy Spirit to it. Saying God showed you something does not make it true. Quoting Acts 2 does not prove your interpretation, and telling people to repent because they refuse to accept your private claims is not biblical authority. It is pride.

You still have not shown one false statement I made and proved it wrong from Scripture. You quoted a passage, assumed it supported you, and then declared that everyone else should repent. That is not rightly dividing the Word of truth. That is forcing Scripture to serve your own position.

You asked whether this would shut me up. No, it will not. As long as you keep twisting Scripture and using the name of the Holy Spirit to shield your claims from examination, I will answer you with the Word of God.

The Bereans were called noble because they “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” ~Acts 17:11. They did not bow to a man’s claim of revelation. They tested what they heard by Scripture. That is exactly what I am doing.

You are the one who needs to repent of treating your private interpretation as though it carries the authority of God. “To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” ~Isaiah 8:20.

You have from scripture the words regarding the church age, specifically saying, "all"--beginning at Pentecost, all following Christ the firstfuits born of the Spirit--and you reject it.

So be it, bound in heaven, so shall it be written.

 

[shepherdsword]

We are plagued on all sides by deception and false prophets. However, it doesn't mean the gifts of the Spirit, such as prophecy have ceased. We are to judge such words:

1 Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

But let's not throw the baby out with the bath water:

1 Th 5:20-21
Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

 

[bdavidc]

You have from scripture the words regarding the church age, specifically saying, "all"--beginning at Pentecost, all following Christ the firstfuits born of the Spirit--and you reject it.

So be it, bound in heaven, so shall it be written.

You still have not answered the Scriptures I gave you. You simply repeated your claim and then declared it “bound in heaven.” Not biblical.

Acts 2:17 says, “I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh.” The passage shows the Spirit being poured out across sons and daughters, young and old, servants and handmaids. It does not say that every believer’s private interpretation is revelation from God, nor does it say that whatever a man declares is automatically ratified in heaven.

Even genuine prophecy had to be judged: “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” (1 Corinthians 14:29). We are commanded, “Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1). You have ignored both passages because they destroy the idea that your claim is above examination.

Your statement, “bound in heaven, so shall it be written,” proves nothing. Matthew 16:19 does not give you personal authority to pronounce your interpretation as heaven’s decree. Matthew 18:18 is spoken in the context of church discipline, not private revelation.

I am not rejecting the Holy Spirit. I am obeying the Holy Spirit by testing your claim against Scripture. You keep replacing biblical proof with personal proclamation. That is not authority. It is presumption.

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar” (Proverbs 30:6).

Unless you can actually prove your interpretation from Scripture and answer the passages already given, there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[bdavidc]

So be it, bound in heaven, so shall it be written.

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
Proverbs 30:6

“The prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak... even that prophet shall die.”
Deuteronomy 18:20

“They speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.”
Jeremiah 23:16

“Behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, He saith.”
Jeremiah 23:31

WARNING: Stop attaching God’s authority to your own interpretation. Speaking in God’s name when God has not spoken is presumption, and Scripture says God is against it.

 

[bdavidc]

We are plagued on all sides by deception and false prophets. However, it doesn't mean the gifts of the Spirit, such as prophecy have ceased. We are to judge such words:

1 Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.

But let's not throw the baby out with the bath water:

1 Th 5:20-21
Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Those verses prove that prophecy was taking place when Paul wrote to the Thessalonian and Corinthian churches. They do not prove that Christians after the apostolic age would continue receiving new revelations from God.

First Thessalonians 5:19–22 says: “Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”

Paul was telling them not to reject every prophecy automatically, but he was also telling them not to believe every claim. They were to test everything.

That agrees with 1 Corinthians 14:29: “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.”

And 1 John 4:1 says: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God.”

But none of those verses says that Christians after the apostles would continue receiving new revelations from God. They explain how prophecy was to be judged while prophecy was still operating. They do not say it would continue throughout the entire church age.

The question is not whether prophecy existed. Of course it did. The question is where the Bible says God would continue giving new prophetic messages after the apostolic foundation had been laid.

Ephesians 2:20 says the church was “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets.” A foundation is laid once. Jude 3 says the faith was “once delivered unto the saints.” Second Timothy 3:16–17 says Scripture thoroughly furnishes the man of God unto all good works.

I am not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I like to know where it says Christians after the apostolic age would continue receiving new words from God so they can add to God's word? Quoting instructions given to churches while apostles and prophets were still present does not prove that.

First Thessalonians 5:20–21 cannot just be quoted as proof of modern prophecy. It says prophecy was not to be despised and every claim had to be tested. It does not say people centuries later would continue receiving new revelations from God.

Today, every claim must be tested by the written Word of God. If it adds to Scripture, changes Scripture, contradicts Scripture, or claims authority equal to Scripture, it must be rejected.

Preach the Word God has already given. Do not claim that God gave you a new message unless you can prove from Scripture that He promised to continue doing that after the apostolic age. Proverbs 30:6 gives a serious warning:

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

This is not a salvation issue unless supposed prophecy changes the gospel, adds another way of salvation, denies Christ, or is treated as equal to or above Scripture.

 

[ScottA]

WARNING: Stop attaching God’s authority to your own interpretation. Speaking in God’s name when God has not spoken is presumption, and Scripture says God is against it.

Yes, He is. But you have me all wrong, and your own understanding of the scriptures is apparently not working for you. And you should know that men do not judge the Spirit in those Christ sends, without consequence. Are you so perfect that you think you can judge if a donkey, or a pagan, or a king has authority from God? Are you so foolish?

And, no, binding and loosing in heaven what is on earth is given to His church--which does not include those who speak against the Spirit.

 

[Anchorite]

Yes, He is. But you have me all wrong, and your own understanding of the scriptures is apparently not working for you. And you should know that men do not judge the Spirit in those Christ sends, without consequence. Are you so perfect that you think you can judge if a donkey, or a pagan, or a king has authority from God? Are you so foolish?

And, no, binding and loosing in heaven what is on earth is given to His church--which does not include those who speak against the Spirit.

You claim to have reproduced, in your book St. John’s Mystery Revealed, the “little scroll or book” that the angel gave to the apostle John, who then ate it, and it became the spiritual food to enable John, not you, to prophesy.

Since you are not John, your book is false.

Revelation 10

8 Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”

9 So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.”

And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.”

10 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. 11 And [a]he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

 

[ScottA]

You claim to have reproduced, in your book St. John’s Mystery Revealed, the “little scroll or book” that the angel gave to the apostle John, who then ate it, and it became the spiritual food to enable John, not you, to prophesy.

Since you are not John, your book is false.

Revelation 10

8 Then the voice which I heard from heaven spoke to me again and said, “Go, take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel who stands on the sea and on the earth.”

9 So I went to the angel and said to him, “Give me the little book.”

And he said to me, “Take and eat it; and it will make your stomach bitter, but it will be as sweet as honey in your mouth.”

10 Then I took the little book out of the angel’s hand and ate it, and it was as sweet as honey in my mouth. But when I had eaten it, my stomach became bitter. 11 And [a]he said to me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings.”

Are you saying that John wrote the little book? Because that is not biblical--and if that is what you are saying, it is what you yourself have said that is "false."

 

[Anchorite]

Are you saying that John wrote the little book? Because that is not biblical--and if that is what you are saying, it is what you yourself have said that is "false."

You know that I did not say John wrote the little book.

I said an angel gave it to John and John ate it.

The angel then said John, not you, must prophesy.

It is false for you to say you have reproduced the little book, as though you are the one to prophesy from it.

 

[ScottA]

You know that I did not say John wrote the little book.

I said an angel gave it to John and John ate it.

The angel then said John, not you, must prophesy.

It is false for you to say you have reproduced the little book, as though you are the one to prophesy from it.

Good then, we are straight on the fact that John did not write the little book.

But, I know what it says about "you must prophesy", but what are you saying--that John will come again and have clearance to write what he could not reveal at that time? Is that written?

 

[Anchorite]

Good then, we are straight on the fact that John did not write the little book.

But, I know what it says about "you must prophesy", but what are you saying--that John will come again and have clearance to write what he could not reveal at that time? Is that written?

All that scripture tells us is that the angel gave the little book to John, he ate it, then the angel said John must prophesy again.

There is nothing about John, or you, writing the book.

 

[shepherdsword]

Those verses prove that prophecy was taking place when Paul wrote to the Thessalonian and Corinthian churches. They do not prove that Christians after the apostolic age would continue receiving new revelations from God.

First Thessalonians 5:19–22 says: “Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”

Paul was telling them not to reject every prophecy automatically, but he was also telling them not to believe every claim. They were to test everything.

That agrees with 1 Corinthians 14:29: “Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.”

And 1 John 4:1 says: “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God.”

But none of those verses says that Christians after the apostles would continue receiving new revelations from God. They explain how prophecy was to be judged while prophecy was still operating. They do not say it would continue throughout the entire church age.

The question is not whether prophecy existed. Of course it did. The question is where the Bible says God would continue giving new prophetic messages after the apostolic foundation had been laid.

Ephesians 2:20 says the church was “built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets.” A foundation is laid once. Jude 3 says the faith was “once delivered unto the saints.” Second Timothy 3:16–17 says Scripture thoroughly furnishes the man of God unto all good works.

I am not throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I like to know where it says Christians after the apostolic age would continue receiving new words from God so they can add to God's word? Quoting instructions given to churches while apostles and prophets were still present does not prove that.

First Thessalonians 5:20–21 cannot just be quoted as proof of modern prophecy. It says prophecy was not to be despised and every claim had to be tested. It does not say people centuries later would continue receiving new revelations from God.

Today, every claim must be tested by the written Word of God. If it adds to Scripture, changes Scripture, contradicts Scripture, or claims authority equal to Scripture, it must be rejected.

Preach the Word God has already given. Do not claim that God gave you a new message unless you can prove from Scripture that He promised to continue doing that after the apostolic age. Proverbs 30:6 gives a serious warning:

“Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

This is not a salvation issue unless supposed prophecy changes the gospel, adds another way of salvation, denies Christ, or is treated as equal to or above Scripture.

Please show a single verse that backs your claim that the gifts have ceased. If you try and use 1Cor 14:8 you need to say knowledge has also ceased.

 

[ScottA]

All that scripture tells us is that the angel gave the little book to John, he ate it, then the angel said John must prophesy again.

There is nothing about John, or you, writing the book.

Oh, I would laugh, but it is so sad!

What comes immediately after that--what did John prophesy (in chapter 11)? I am sure you don't appreciate it, though you ought to, but I am purposely walking you through it. What did John then prophesy, that has since gone out "about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings?”

 

[Anchorite]

Oh, I would laugh, but it is so sad!

What comes immediately after that--what did John prophesy (in chapter 11)? I am sure you don't appreciate it, though you ought to, but I am purposely walking you through it. What did John then prophesy, that has since gone out "about many peoples, nations, tongues, and kings?”

None of this authorizes you to reproduce the little book.

 

[ScottA]

None of this authorizes you to reproduce the little book.

I have not reproduced it.