When “God Told Me” Becomes a License to Lie

[Wrangler]

What I am saying is that being led by the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as writing inspired Scripture.

And that is wrong. 100% wrong. The "inspired Scriptures" are a Holy Spirit testimony no more inspired than mine for we both serve the same living God. Don't make an IDOL of Scripture. Don't speak with a forked tongue, saying we should believe God's work in this way but not that way. Miracles still happen all the time.

Scripture writers include murderers and adulterers like Moses and David. I'm not claiming to be perfect but I'm also not as bad as Scripture writers.

My role is not universal like theirs. My role was to be a prophet for one man's obedience in doing God's work, missionary work in Haiti. I don't know why I was chosen as I was an enemy of God at the time. It was only 15 years later did I learn what I experienced is called Prevenient grace.

Having said all that, I believe what you are trying to say comes down to authority and believability. By all means, test Spirits, test people who claim to have received a revelation from God. In my case, I was validated when my doctor told me months later that he received another unsolicited message to delay his trip. Two witnesses. We serve an amazing God!

 

[ScottA]

I am not mocking you. I am rebuking you. You keep calling correction “mockery” instead of answering the biblical questions. Saying that God gave you this truth does not prove that He did. Your claim must still be tested by Scripture.

“You say God knows.” He does. That is why you should fear claiming divine authority for something you cannot prove from His Word. This is a rebuke and a warning. Prove your claim from Scripture, or stop saying God sent you to make it.

Rebuke, warning, and mocking are determined by who is correct, and "proof" is not required as you require of me...but is a good indication who is correct.

 

[ScottA]

You say, “Proof is not required” is exactly the problem. You are making a public claim that God sent you and that your book fulfills Revelation 10. Scripture requires that such claims be tested. “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).

Matthew 12:39 does not protect you from examination. Jesus was rebuking people who rejected the clear evidence already before them and demanded another miraculous sign. I am not asking you to perform a miracle. I am asking you to show where Scripture identifies you and your book as the fulfillment of Revelation 10.

Calling biblical examination “insolence” is another attempt to avoid the issue. Volumes of unrelated Scripture do not prove your personal claim. The question remains unanswered.

You say proof is not required. God says, “Prove all things.” I will stand with God’s Word.

If you think that Jesus rebuked those who rejected Him by "clear evidence already before them"--the same will be required of you...and you have already failed, for you had more evidence than they. And yes, it is insolence to deny more than they were given. That is what you have proven.

 

[quietthinker]

When “God Told Me” Becomes a License to Lie​

Every counterfeit purports to be the genuine article! Should we be surprised?

 

[bdavidc]

Rebuke, warning, and mocking are determined by who is correct, and "proof" is not required as you require of me...but is a good indication who is correct.

No, mocking is determined by how someone speaks. A rebuke is determined by whether it is true and grounded in Scripture.

Your claim that “proof is not required” is flatly unbiblical.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

“Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” (1 Corinthians 14:29).

You are claiming that God gave you a message to deliver. That does not become true just because you say it with confidence. Even Paul’s teaching was examined by the Scriptures, and the Bereans were called noble for doing it (Acts 17:11).

You do not get to claim that God sent you and then refuse to prove your words from God’s Word. That is not faith. That is presumption.

Either prove your teaching from Scripture in context, or stop claiming God gave it to you.

 

[bdavidc]

If you think that Jesus rebuked those who rejected Him by "clear evidence already before them"--the same will be required of you...and you have already failed, for you had more evidence than they. And yes, it is insolence to deny more than they were given. That is what you have proven.

You are now comparing rejection of your personal claim with rejection of Jesus Christ. That is a very serious comparison, and you still have not proved it.

Jesus did not demand blind acceptance. He pointed to the witnesses that confirmed who He was: John the Baptist, His works, the Father, and the Scriptures (John 5:31–39). The apostles also gave “many infallible proofs” of His resurrection (Acts 1:3).

You say I have been given “more evidence,” but repeating that claim is not evidence. Show plainly from Scripture where Revelation 10 identifies you or your book. That is the question you keep avoiding.

It is not insolence to test your claim. It would be foolish and disobedient not to test it.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).

You are not Jesus Christ, and your book is not Scripture. Stop treating questions about your claims as though they were rejection of Christ Himself. Prove your claim from God’s Word, or withdraw it.

 

[ScottA]

No, mocking is determined by how someone speaks. A rebuke is determined by whether it is true and grounded in Scripture.

Your claim that “proof is not required” is flatly unbiblical.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God” (1 John 4:1).

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

“Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” (1 Corinthians 14:29).

You are claiming that God gave you a message to deliver. That does not become true just because you say it with confidence. Even Paul’s teaching was examined by the Scriptures, and the Bereans were called noble for doing it (Acts 17:11).

You do not get to claim that God sent you and then refuse to prove your words from God’s Word. That is not faith. That is presumption.

Either prove your teaching from Scripture in context, or stop claiming God gave it to you.

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Acts 17:11​

These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. ​

Acts 17:11 doesn't help you, it shows your shortfall.

And the other passages do not apply to those sent, but to those hearing.

 

[ScottA]

You are now comparing rejection of your personal claim with rejection of Jesus Christ.

That statement is the crux of the problem for you. For it is written, "But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

 

[bdavidc]

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Acts 17:11​

These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. ​

Acts 17:11 doesn't help you, it shows your shortfall.

And the other passages do not apply to those sent, but to those hearing.

You have just refuted yourself. Yes, those passages tell the hearers to test what they hear. That is exactly why your claim that “proof is not required” is false. God commands His people to judge the words of anyone claiming to speak for Him.

“Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” (1 Corinthians 14:29).

The prophets spoke. The hearers judged. The person claiming to be sent was not exempt from examination.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

Why must they be tested? Because false prophets also claim to be sent by God.

Acts 17:11 does not show my shortfall. It exposes yours. Paul and Silas preached, and the Bereans “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Scripture calls them noble for refusing to accept a religious claim without examining it by the written Word.

God even told Israel how to respond when someone claimed to speak for Him:

“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?” (Deuteronomy 18:21).

God did not rebuke them for asking for proof. He gave them a test.

Your position amounts to this: “I was sent, therefore you are not permitted to require proof.” That is not biblical authority. That is the very shield false teachers use to protect themselves from being exposed.

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

You do not get to place your claims above examination. You do not get to invoke God’s name and then tell everyone that proof is unnecessary. Either show that your message agrees with Scripture in context, or stop claiming God sent you to deliver it.

Your confidence is not proof. Your claim of being sent is not proof. God’s written Word is the standard, and your words are subject to it.

Wake up before it is too late. Put your faith in Jesus Christ and submit yourself to His Word. Stop speaking as though your words carry the authority of Christ. You are not the Lord, and you are not above being tested.

“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord” (2 Corinthians 4:5).

Point people to Christ, not to yourself. Either bow to His Word now, or your pride will expose you in the end.

 

[bdavidc]

That statement is the crux of the problem for you. For it is written, "But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

You are ripping Mark 13:11 out of context to make your own words sound untouchable.

That passage is about Christ’s disciples being arrested, beaten, and dragged before rulers for His name. It does not give you permission to claim the Holy Spirit is speaking through you and then act like nobody has the right to test what you say.

Once again: Scripture says, “believe not every spirit, but try the spirits” (1 John 4:1). It says, “Prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). It says prophetic claims are to be judged (1 Corinthians 14:29).

You are doing exactly what I said. You are treating rejection of your personal claims as rejection of God Himself. That is not humility. That is dangerous pride.

You are not Jesus Christ. Your words are not Scripture. You are not above examination.

Wake up before it is too late. Put your faith in Jesus Christ and stop trying to stand in His place.

Either prove your message from Scripture in context, or stop claiming the Holy Spirit gave it to you. Using God’s name to protect yourself from being tested is not faith. It is presumption.

“If they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

The blunt truth is this: anyone who places his own words beyond biblical examination is exalting himself into a place that belongs to God alone.

 

[ScottA]

You have just refuted yourself. Yes, those passages tell the hearers to test what they hear. That is exactly why your claim that “proof is not required” is false. God commands His people to judge the words of anyone claiming to speak for Him.

“Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge” (1 Corinthians 14:29).

The prophets spoke. The hearers judged. The person claiming to be sent was not exempt from examination.

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world” (1 John 4:1).

Why must they be tested? Because false prophets also claim to be sent by God.

Acts 17:11 does not show my shortfall. It exposes yours. Paul and Silas preached, and the Bereans “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” Scripture calls them noble for refusing to accept a religious claim without examining it by the written Word.

God even told Israel how to respond when someone claimed to speak for Him:

“And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?” (Deuteronomy 18:21).

God did not rebuke them for asking for proof. He gave them a test.

Your position amounts to this: “I was sent, therefore you are not permitted to require proof.” That is not biblical authority. That is the very shield false teachers use to protect themselves from being exposed.

“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them” (Isaiah 8:20).

You do not get to place your claims above examination. You do not get to invoke God’s name and then tell everyone that proof is unnecessary. Either show that your message agrees with Scripture in context, or stop claiming God sent you to deliver it.

Your confidence is not proof. Your claim of being sent is not proof. God’s written Word is the standard, and your words are subject to it.

Wake up before it is too late. Put your faith in Jesus Christ and submit yourself to His Word. Stop speaking as though your words carry the authority of Christ. You are not the Lord, and you are not above being tested.

“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord” (2 Corinthians 4:5).

Point people to Christ, not to yourself. Either bow to His Word now, or your pride will expose you in the end.

You have judged me because what I have told you does not agree with what you believe. Many things that are false can seemingly agree with other scripture--but that is not the test. It is the Spirit that reveals what is true and is judged by no man as you have done. I have come saying nothing but what the Spirit has said and you do not believe Him or me. Which you do because you are not inclined to listen and hear what the Spirit says--and yet these are the times of which it has been promised that we should expect to be lead unto all truth, even against many false doctrines which were also to come and have come even long ago and were believed. Corrections were also to come, but you have closed the door of His knocking.

Meanwhile, God still sets before men life and death, blessing and cursing, and many like yourself have fallen into the same error as many in Israel, of rejecting based on your own understanding. And I have given you every opportunity to perceive what was to come by His recognizable words which you did not hear, against what His saying, "My sheep hear my voice", but you perceived it not, but blamed and mocked the Spirit for speaking to you comparatively.

So be it.

 

[ScottA]

You are ripping Mark 13:11 out of context to make your own words sound untouchable.

That is how this works. If you actually knew the scriptures you would know that. So, no, context is God's alone to do with what He wills, not to be judged by men who don't even know that Christ and the apostles did the same thing.