Marvelloustime
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Let us keep marching on in the biblical Lord Jesus.
When we are born.
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2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV
17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
I would disagree with you.
Much love!
Romans 6:6 KJV
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
The flesh is already crucified. We are to live accordingly.
Much love!
This is speaking of being reborn . . .
Context . . .
Romans 8:5-14 KJV
5) For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Unregenerate . . . Regenerate.
Much love!
That is because you wish to continue confusing standing with state. So since that is your position, kindly tell us that you are now sinlessly perfect in your daily walk. We have another poster with the same delusion.
Romans 6:6 KJV
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Galatians 2:20 KJV
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
The flesh is already crucified. We are to live accordingly.
Much love!
You are telling us that everything is already complete, fulfilled, perfect, if only we will believe it. So you are either TOTALLY PERFECT in your walk right now (which includes no mistakes in anything), or you are simply delusional. Which is it?
Romans 8:35-39 KJV
35) Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36) As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37) Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39) Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
You are thinking this is written about "our incremental sanctification?" AKA progressive sanctification? That's not what He's talking about.
Paul gives an example from the Scriptures of the mindset that things they are just being handed over to death.
Psalms 44:19-26 KJV
19) Though thou hast sore broken us in the place of dragons, and covered us with the shadow of death.
20) If we have forgotten the name of our God, or stretched out our hands to a strange god;
21) Shall not God search this out? for he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
22) Yea, for thy sake are we killed all the day long; we are counted as sheep for the slaughter.
23) Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.
24) Wherefore hidest thou thy face, and forgettest our affliction and our oppression?
25) For our soul is bowed down to the dust: our belly cleaveth unto the earth.
26) Arise for our help, and redeem us for thy mercies' sake.
Much love!
What do you suppose you are reborn into being? Still the sinner?
Therefore it is no more I, but sin that lives in me.
If any be in Christ, he is a new creature. Not the same sinful creature. A new creature. The old is gone, all is new, do you not believe that?
Misidentification leads to confusion.
Much love!
I wish to do what? What makes you think I wish any such thing? What place it is of yours to pronounce "what I wish?"
If you really what to know what I wish, this is it:
My wish is to show those who don't realize this yet that God has come to live in us, and His presence in us changes us so completely that we are completely freed from the flesh, from it's sins, and it's guilt and it's power, and we now have inside us Jesus, Who is Himself our sanctification.
We're not waiting for anything to enable us to stop sinning other than our own realization that God has done this.
Learning to live this way is what is described as "renewing the mind", coming to think according to what God tells us is true.
We have this lifelong habit of thinking with the fleshy mind, the mind of Christ is SO VERY DIFFERENT, that's what takes us so much time! That's the slow process, learning to live according to what God has done for us, in making us a new creature, His spirit child, not dependant on flesh for life.
Much love!
Colossians 3:5 KJV
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Your members which are upon the earth . . .
Not you . . . your body parts.
Not recognizing our being separated by death from our flesh leads to this sort of statement.
In point of fact, you are already freed from the power of sin.
Sin has no dominion over you. None. Nothing, Nada.
If you are in Christ, you have already been saved from the power of sin. Again, clearly plainly and in detail stated in Romans 6. If you don't accept it, you won't live it. Because you don't believe it, not because it's not true.
Much love!
John 3:5-7 KJV
5) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6) That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Much love!
The point in using this Biblical terminology is to highlight the reality of our new creation. We are not the fleshy children of Adam. We are the spirit children of God.
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We are created new, no longer the sinner.
We can have a tendency to live as though this were not true, doing the works of the flesh. We are no longer flesh, but we can still do the works of the flesh. But not because we have to become more, "no longer flesh".
As we come to believe more and more that this is true, find within ourselves the power over sin, and learn how to put this into practice.
And we get better and better at doing this as we go along.
Not that we are becoming more righteous, we are righteous in Christ. Not that we are becoming more new, we are already new. Not that we are gaining freedom from sin, we are already freed from sin. Not that we are becoming more "alive in Christ", you get the idea?
Much love!
So You are walking in the fulness of Christ now eh? How come you are not doing greater works than the Son of Man did?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. (John 14:12)
Are you healing the sick, making the blind see, casting out demons in His name, raising the dead? This is what it means to be saved from the power of sin.
I say we are lacking these things not due to a lack of the Spirit, but unwillingness on our part to let the Spirit do His work in us. A Failure to see the need to open the door to Christ and let him be the finisher of our faith. We have a submission problem a faith in our own will over the will of God for us. This is a Laodicean problem. Not realizing our need for Christ to fill us, and control us. We Like to control our own destiny.
For some reason this idea seems to make you bristle. That we are created new and righteous, and have to learn to live that way, believing He's really done this for us.
And maybe it's a consolation to think, I haven't overcome this because God hasn't given me ability to, therefore, I shouldn't be expected to overcome this.
And in the sense that He is training us, discipling us, we work out what He is working into us, and we can't get ahead of Him, that's the point, it's His work in us.
What He's working in us is to will and to do according to what pleases Him. To both want to, and to follow through and do what He wants.
And through it all, we are complete in Him, and He has given us all we need for life and godliness. We grow into living it as we come to know Him more.
What it means to be free from sin is to not be guilty of sin, and not be compelled to sin. To be justified completely by God, fully reconciled, and therefore not under any law except the Law of Christ, that is, our life lived according to Jesus Christ.
Feeling compelled to keep a certain behavior code enflames the flesh to rebel.
"The motions of sin, which were by the Law, did work in our members".
Now we are separated from the flesh through Jesus' death, our death in Him, and we are freed from sin, not under law, nothing to enflame the flesh except our own wrong ideas.
Call it mind, call it heart, I call it the center of your being. What do you believe? That you are dead to sin? Or that it's still got it's hooks in you? That you have to fight it, and struggle, until you can at last give in to God? Or that He's already delivered you, and by believing this true, you will live accordingly? Free!
If you are not willing to allow the Spirit to work in you, I hope you come to discover His love, and His compassion for His children, that you can release yourself into His loving care.
I completely agree with you, if we are not walking in those works God ordained for us to walk in, it's not because we are not complete in Him, that we are not immersed into Him, but rather, we don't realize what we have in Him.
But we are the child and He is the parent, and He has ways of working even with those who resist Him, out of fear, out of discouragement, whatever reason, He understands us.
It sounds to me that you feel that you control whether Jesus is the finisher of your faith, making you the author of your destiny.
I've put my trust in Him.
Much love!
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Agree with this part here, well said.
Now if i could only get you to see how we (the proverbial we) are counter to God doing his will in us, Hence the need for discipline and sanctification. Please read my post of A.B. Simpson on Sanctification being a gift of the Holy Spirit....
Sanctification is a Gift of the Holy Spirit: A.B. Simpson | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board
quietthinker
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If judgement of a matter being agreed with or not agreed with determines what is right or wrong, there is a problem!
