When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?
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David in NJ
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#1 - i am really looking forward to seeing you in our Glorified 'Caught Up' Immortal Bodies.
#2 - i am in pain and discomfort tonight so will respond tomorrow.
#3 - Peace and Good Nite Brother
Me as well! I do not look like my avatar, but trust we will know one another on sight.
Oh no, sorry to hear that. Special thoughts and prayers for your relief.
Thank you and you as well.
When will the "sudden destruction" from which "they will not escape" referenced in 1 Thess 5:2-3 occur and what is the scope of it?
When? At an unknown hour.
When? “They” OF and UPON the Earth, say “peace and safety” Upon the Earth, IS announced, a promised agenda to obtain, by and through ungodly men OF and UPON the Earth.
Ungodly world Power sitters have FOR DECADES, announced THEY have a goal, a plan, an agenda, a solution:
To achieve world “Peace and Safety”.
Year after year, THEY (Ungodly world Power sitters)….
* Increase their Power … Wealth and Control;
Via; Lies, Cheating, Stealing.
* Increase Oppression … upon the world at large;
Via; Lies, Cheating, Stealing, Mandates, Laws, Killing, Murders.
While “Peace and Safety” IS their Eartickler;
Killing / Murders / Total Human Slavery (aided with advanced electronics).
IS their planned Agenda.
Population reduction for THEIR manageable Control over the Slaves they determine are useful able-bodied, productive and completely submissive.
Point…We have had DECADES of Signs…Warnings….the Son of Man is soon to Return to Divide and Separate the ungodly WITH and Without Him.
1 Thes 5:
[2] For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
[3] For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
[4] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
Do you literally believe Christ is coming suddenly and unexpectedly "as a thief in the night" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe the wicked will experience "sudden destruction" from His appearance as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe the wicked "shall not escape" as the Bible says (1 Thessalonians 5:3)?
Do you literally believe that "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the elements shall melt with fervent heat" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10 & 12)?
Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that "the works that are therein [the earth] shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Do you literally believe that the righteous are actually looking "for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness” when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:13)?
Then why are you a Premillennialist? If those things he asked about are going to happen, as you agree that they will, then that means no mortals will survive Christ's return to populate the earth during a supposed future millennial kingdom.
For example, one of the questions was: Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
Clearly, if the earth is burned up when He returns, as you agreed will happen, then that would not allow for mortals to populate the earth after that. Do you agree with that?
Men IN Christ have already obtained Gods desire of “MAKING” fallen man “WHOLE”;
Body, Soul, Spirit.
Men not having obtained Gods desire, become divided, (as men have been for centuries) and there after separated.
God made separations during His First Tribulations (Flood), and revealed He would send another (Second and Last) separation.
During the last days (as we know them) of Gods Tribulations, is totally about Dividing and Separating.
And not to overlook, God has a promise to fulfill to the Hebrews/12 Tribes/ Jews/ Israel….(by whatever that race is calling themselves these days, they are Gods Elect and His promise shall be accomplished.
Premil’s have accomplished Gods Making in Them, in a complete and everlasting holy relationship with the Lord God Almighty…there is nothing more for them to do.
During the Trib. There will be many people saved. Primarily Israel (Jews), which again fulfills Gods promise to them. Their saving, like anyone else requires their bodily be given in Death for the Lord God.
Nothing new, the Lord God “forgives” and “saves”….but that does not mean….Judgements and Punishments are not carried out.
The Trib is full of Judgements and Punishments expressly for Rejecting the Lord God Almighty….for not having YET received HIS “MAKING” them WHOLE.
(Body AND soul AND spirit)
So, sure During the Trib (will be one of the biggest revivals of men confessing Belief in the Lord God, and becoming saved.) and (one of the biggest Divisions between believers and nonbelievers BEING Separated)
Those who become MADE WHOLE, during the Trib., participate in the First Resurrection, along with believers from ancient days of mans beginning…..
And those separated, remaining anti-god, are raised in the Second Resurrection.
The Raptured are those (living and physically dead) who freely took advantage of Gods Offering of Jesus’ BLOOD and BODY, for them to become made WHOLE, before physical death. They are NOT subject to Gods Anger, wrath, punishments….for fulfilling according to His order and way, exactly what He Gave mankind to be assured of their Salvation and Everlasting presence with God and He with them.
God gave Noah the same freewill option for him to accept according Gods order and way, to escape Gods anger, wrath, and punishments during the FIRST Tribulations God sent down from Heaven.
Did you know in Noah’s day, God was angry at the men OF the world?
Do you know WHY?
Are you aware of this world today and it’s taught, promoted, disgusting immoral behavior acceptable?
You think God is angry now?
Did you know Noah was SAVED by being LIFTED UP off the face of the Earth to the Clouds, during the first trib God sent down from Heaven?
Do you know what was shall be again?
Do you believe those made whole IN Christ shall be lifted up off the face of the Earth to the Clouds to escape Gods Tribulations and Wrath send down from Heaven?
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You have to consider God has an exact method, to deal with every individual person according to the individual person’s beliefs.
Everything in Scripture is TRUE, but NOT every TRUTH in Scripture APPLIES to Every individual man.
Not every person is KILLED during the Tribulation. There will be Mortal BELIEVERS remaining alive to repopulate the earth, lasting for generations to 1,000 years.
You didn't answer my questions. Why not? You had answered "yes" to this question and other similar questions: Do you literally believe that "the earth also ... shall be burned up" when He returns as a thief as the Bible says (2 Peter 3:10)?
With that in mind, how exactly can any mortals survive Christ's return?
No, believers will be changed and will have immortal bodies when He returns at the last trumpet. 2 Peter 3:10-12 indicates that fire will come down on the entire earth when Jesus returns. No mortal could survive that.
We exclusively studied Revelations daily for a year.
Fire comes down from heaven multiple times during Revelations.
Believers? In what? You generalize.
2 Pet 3:19-13 says…
The Day of the Lord WILL come…not the Lord WILL come.
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
Mortals have already occupied the Earth, as believing kings and believing citizens under KING CHRIST, for 1,000 years, before the DAY OF THE Lord and the DAY OF God and the heavens and earth are dissolved with FIRE.
So no, the DAY of the Lord is not WHILE mortals are living on earth.
The DAY of the Lord IS AFTER, the saved and unsaved are all mortally dead and are ALL separated.
ALL Saved, NOT IN CHRIST, are bodily killed, risen up to earth in their new body’s. (First resurrection).
ALL SAVED, IN CHRIST, (receive their new body, Rapture to Clouds) return to earth with the Lord.
ALL Unsaved are bodily dead, their soul in hell, waiting for judgement.
This specific DAY of the Lord is the WHOLE of Heavens and Earth being burned, purified with Fire in preparation for it’s HOLY occupants…immortals SEALED unto the Lord God.
You skip and change Gods Order and Way…
And you still don't understand it at all. That's pretty sad, though I do commend you for taking the time to study it.
So? We're talking about 2 Peter 3:10-12 where fire is said to come down upon the entire earth and burning it up.
Christ, of course. Do I have to spell everything out to you? I guess I was giving you too much credit.
He will come on the day of the Lord. Try reading all of 2 Peter 3 for context. The very next verse after what you quoted there says this:
2 Peter 3:13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
The end results of what is described in 2 Peter 3:10-12 will be the new heavens and new earth. Peter indicated that this will be "in keeping with his promise". Which promise? The promise referenced earlier in 2 Peter 3.
2 Peter 3:3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”
In the following passage Paul equates "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him" with "the day of the Lord".
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
Do you not believe the following will occur when the Lord comes?
1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
Looks like I have to quote the passage I just quoted above again.
1 Thessalonians 5:1 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.
Who was Paul talking about here when he said "they will not escape" the destruction that "will come on them suddenly" on the day of the Lord if they are not mortals living on the earth?
Where does scripture teach this? What would even be the point of the supposed lengthy day of the Lord if no mortals will be alive during it?
Saved, but not in Christ? LOL. Where do you come up with this nonsense? Only from your imagination. You can't be saved and not be in Christ. That is a lie.
David in NJ
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Feeling better today after a 3 day bout with pain thru my body - thank you for your prayers.
Who and What is "ALL SAVED not Christ" ???
More importantly is to remember it is Gods Word and thus one must ask God for His Understanding.
I can’t speak for you, but I know whom I ask to Understand Gods Word.
Doesn’t matter to me, if you agree or not.
My Trust is in God, not men.
Peter is giving a synopsis. What He says is True, But it does not encompass all the details.
The context, IF you study, IS “WE” ARE the ALREADY SAVED. The unsaved believers are looking forward to receiving their Salvation.
What about it? There is no conflict of what I have said, and to what Peter has said.
Why carrying on, as if I disagreed with Peter, when I did not?
The Converted are Gathered when the Lord descends from Heaven to the Clouds ABOVE THE EARTH! Before the trib….(which you deny).
Already, covered, the Lord shall descend from Heaven to the CLOUDS…
Some people will see THAT Day as the Day of their Lord and be Glad.
Many events are called the Day of the Lord…
Do you not RECALL the Lord saying “ABRAHAM saw “HIS DAY” and was glad?
John 8:
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
You can quote that verse repeatedly and erroneously repeat what you think that means.
Paul is expressly speaking TO: brothers and sisters “CONVERTED IN CHRIST”….Paul was Converted….”him calling others his “brothers and sisters are LIKE him….Converted IN Christ.
Then Paul goes on to say something about “PEOPLE”, a general term, that denotes “Persons of the world, NOT IN CHRIST”…
Then Paul expressly say “THEY”….the people of the world (NOT IN CHRIST), will NOT escape….
Nothing new, as I have said to you, and you call….ridiculous.
Absolutely Destruction will come upon them.
yes they are mortals…. What about it?
Do you know the difference between…
Brothers and sisters IN Christ….
AND people OF the world….
AND people IN the world?
Destruction is Destroying buildings, cities, housing, offices, etc. .and Some People WILL die, Some will not.
Those brothers and sister IN Christ are not subject to experience the Destruction.
Those who have turned to Belief during the Tribulation….MUST bodily Die…to Become Saved.
Those who have Rejected the Lord God….MUST also bodily Die….
Some WHO have turned to belief during the trib, will experience the Destruction, but not YET bodily DIE.
Scoffers, the Wicked, effected by the Destruction will whine, weep, BECAUSE of their WORKS, tangent possessions and buildings being Destroyed….
God saves whom He will….and the Lord saves whom He will….
AND YOU attempt to repeatedly argue…
There is no Differences IN JESUS, IN CHRIST…..when you have been scripturally shown the Difference…OF WHO SAVES whom, WHEN, and WHY.
God Sent the Son of man, JESUS, and said Believe IN HIM whom God SENT, and thou SHALL BE SAVED…after bodily death.
Many will COME INTO BELIEF DURING THE TRIBULATION. SOME WILL DIE and BECOME SAVED….SOME WILL BELIEVE, NOT DIE IN THE DESTRUCTION…AND REPOPULATE THE EARTH.
JESUS taught, Believe IN Him, and Believe HE IS THE CHRIST….become crucified WITH HIS BODY….and receive your SALVATION THEN….before your physical bodily death.
THOSE persons HAVE FULFILLED the WORKS OF GOD, and ARE NOT APPOINTED TO SUFFER THE DESTRUCTION, WRATH, TRIBULATIONS SENT DOWN FROM HEAVEN UPON the UNRIGHTEOUS.
Do you NOT comprehend the difference of a man MADE “WHOLE”, body, soul, and spirit….
BeFORE physical death….
AND a man who believes Jesus died and God raised Him back up to living and “IF” he continues to believe IN JESUS to the day of his physical death….HE SHALL THEN BE SAVED….
Well, IF he continues to believe….IS A CAVEAT….it means that man CAN STOP BELIEVING….and then WILL NOT BE SAVED when his body dies…
A man IN CHRIST…can NEVER STOP BELIEVING! …can NEVER become NOT SAVED.
WHO do you think all the Scriptural Warnings of LOSING SALVATION APPLIES to?
A man IN Christ…MADE WHOLE?
Or a man who IS IN JESUS, who Believes JESUS DIED and God raised Him up, back to Living?
THAT MAN ^ WILL be saved….IF he continues believing to his physical death…
IF he stops believing….He has LOST his salvation that HE WOULD HAVE RECEIVED on the day of his physical death.
It is multiple Scriptures that harmonize together….some apply to the unbelievers…some apply to believers in Jesus….some apply to believers in Christ, that Jesus IS the Christ.
Any clue how many believe IN Jesus, but do NOT believe Jesus IS the Christ Messiah?
Does Gods ELECT “ISRAEL” ring a bell?
The END of Days Tribulations and WRATH are NOT ABOUT men already MADE WHOLE, body, soul, spirit IN CHRIST Jesus.
But if you want to be on the Earth and in the mix of experiencing catastrophic DESTRUCTIONS ….Pray to God IN Jesus’ name, that you be excepted from the Rapture. Be sure to include how ridiculous you think Gods Plan is for EXCEPTING those MADE WHOLE IN Christ, from His Wrath and Tribulations.
God is quite accommodating for what men pray for.
Of course.
Who doesn't know that? Only those who have never read this:
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
I think it does. You seem to get very bothered when I disagree with you. Is that how someone acts when what someone thinks doesn't matter to them?
Same here.
It includes the detail that the heavens and earth will be burned up when Jesus returns. How do you reconcile that with your Premil doctrine? You can't.
Unsaved believers? When you say things like this it is impossible to take you seriously. How in the world do you come up with things like "unsaved believers"? What does that even mean?
You are a Premillennialist, right? That doctrine is in conflict with what Peter said.
Peter said the earth will be burned up when Jesus returns. You believe that some mortals will survive His return. That doesn't add up. No mortal will survive the burning up of the earth, obviously.
Before the trib you say. Another thing you believe that doesn't make even a tiny bit of sense.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
You say "before the trib". Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said "after the tribulation". I'm going to side with Jesus here (as we always should, of course).
Look what you're doing here. In order to get out of the fact that your doctrine contradicts what scripture teaches about the day of the Lord you have invented this idea that many events are called the day of the Lord. Sad.
What was the point of quoting this verse? He didn't call His day the day of the Lord. You are making that up. The day of the Lord is described as a day that will come unexpectedly like a thief in the night and will bring mass destruction on the world.
Of course it will be people who are not in Christ that will not escape and will be destroyed. What will happen to those who are in Christ? They will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. And they will be changed to have immortal bodies. What mortals does this leave on the earth to populate a supposed earthly millennial kingdom? None.
It means they will be dead when they are destroyed. So, who are the mortals that will survive into a supposed earthly millennium? No one. Believers will be changed and have immortal bodies at that point.
Do you know that Jesus divided people into only two groups? That's how we should look at things as well. This is what He said:
Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
So, every person is either with Christ or against Him. That's it. He doesn't create these divisions of people the way you do. You should follow after Him and see things the way He does. There are people in Christ and there are people who are not in Christ. Every person is either in Christ or not in Christ.
LOL. This can't be taken seriously. You are saying that people can survive what is described here?
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.
Do you see that? Everything in the heavens and on the earth will be burned up and destroyed. No one can survive that. Get serious.
No kidding? Who doesn't know this? Of course not.
This is utter nonsense. You are making this up. This is not taught anywhere in scripture. Why are you willing to just make things up like this? Do you think God is okay with that?
Again, you are making things up. You noticeably don't even attempt to back up these ridiculous claims with scripture. You know there is no scripture which teaches these things that are coming only from your imagination.
Again, it says "EVERYTHING will be destroyed" when the day of the Lord comes like a thief in the night. Are you even reading the text?
LOL. You have shown NOTHING except that you like to make things up. Jesus is the Christ. Being in Jesus and being in Christ are the same thing. Everyone knows this except for you. You have a very active imagination. That's what you have shown me, not anything that is taught in scripture. I can't read any more of your nonsense, so I'm not reading any further. I can only take so much.
I have ZERO issue when someone disagrees with me.
This is you who going beyond disagreeing, as your attempt to insult, as if that is somehow supposed to make your disagreeing have merit.
Aside from your attempts to insult….can you give some honest answers to a few questions?
Are you a protestant?
Did you ever go to an alter call and confess to the Lord God, that Jesus is the Christ?
Do you remember that date?
Did you receive a Certificate of that date?
Did you schedule a water Baptism there after?
Were you water Baptized?
Did you receive a Certificate of that Baptism?
Do you recall that date?
Did that Baptism make you a member of that Church?
Do you consider yourself Baptized with the Holy Spirit?
Timtofly
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Daniel points out "many", not "all". The rest of the dead waited until the end of the Millennium (Revelation 20:5). The OT resurrected first. The disciples could not prevent that resurrection. Now the disciples went straight to Paradise, a resurrection. Those in the 2nd century could not prevent their resurrection. Those physically alive at the Second Coming, will be changed in the rapture. Death and resurrection all at once, the change over in an instant.
Why are you denying the resurrection like Paul claimed many do and did? Daniel could not say all waited until after the 1,000 years, because there has been ongoing resurrection since the Cross. Many have been resurrected first into that first resurrection, which is physical. The resurrection in Christ is to a permanent incorruptible physical body in Paradise. Jesus told the thief, today he would be in Paradise, not 3000 years later, when Daniel pointed out many would be left to rise out of the dust. That "many" is the "all" who are left. But not "all" since Daniel have had to wait until the very end. That "many" is not the "all" since Daniel wrote that.
You want Daniel to say all the dead in the last 3,000 years have to wait until that point. That is not what Paul said about the Second Coming either. There is still a thousand years between the Second Coming and the end. To say that all have to rise at the same time, even first, is not logical, but yet the church has been teaching that illogical point for who knows how long.
The dead in Christ have been rising first. It is an ongoing phenomenon. We don't have to wait for that heavenly body made by God. It is ready to put on, when the soul takes off Adam's dead corruptible flesh. Those in Christ who have entered Paradise, already, change just as fast as those who change in the air, in the rapture.
Many make the rapture out to be an event all of it's own. It is at the Second Coming, the 6th Seal, because the church in entirety is glorified in the 5th Seal. Even those raptured. They both happen at the same time, yet the 5th Seal is first,and the 6th Seal is second.
The time in between the 5th and 6th Seal is shorter than the time to read about what happens. Those in Paradise are gathered first in that twinkling of an eye, and those on earth happen in the same instant, and all are glorified, then the Second Coming finishes with Jesus on the way to the Mount of Olives. John does not state how long those remain in the air, nor does Paul. They could be shining as stars for hours while the angels and Jesus are on the earth setting up the temple and throne, all while the works on earth are destroyed by fire.
The event itself only takes an instant. The result could last hours, days, or weeks. Who knows how long the redeemed wait in the air after it happens? Many ask is it a u-turn or why it happens. The point is that it happens and that is all we are told. It is the angels who gather the sheep and goats, not the church. It is the angels who gather the wheat and tares, not the church. For all we know the church is now the stars in the firmament, while the angels work for Jesus on the earth, until the Millennium starts. This verse:
"And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."
Would you say the church replaces the stars/angels for ever? Or temporary, but still shine even in the New Jerusalem?
If being glorified means shining as the stars, and no one seems to know exactly where the church goes after meeting in the air, and the firmament just dissolved or rolled back like a curtain, then why not have the glorified church stand in for the stars, while the angels are on the earth?
Oh right, because you all are post trib, and refuse to connect the dots in the night sky. Why would the angels be on earth gathering dead bodies after the tribulation is all over? There is tribulation because the angels are gathering the living and most of them to be cast into the LOF. That is God's judgment:
"And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
These are living humans, not dead humans resurrected from sheol. This is before the tribulation, not after.
Timtofly
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You disagree that Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. Lazarus was physical proof. That is when Jesus said those words, when He called Lazarus out of the grave.
Besides no such thing as "raised to immortality". That is Greek mythology. Lazarus was not glorified. He put on a permanent incorruptible physical body. He was changed from death to life, as the primary example of what Jesus would accomplish on the Cross.
I said no such thing.
Human men raised other humans up from death before (and after) Jesus did.
When Jesus SAID those words He was revealing KNOWLEDGE;
It is His Power that raises the DEAD….not the power of men.
Disagree. I could care less what terms Greeks used to describe things…Nor do I care WHO coined the phrase “Greek mythology”.
Scripture itself teaches immortality for mortals.
1 Cor 15:
[53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
[54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put onimmortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
@Timtofly
“Lazarus was not glorified. He put on a permanent incorruptible physical body. He was changed from death to life, as the primary example of what Jesus would accomplish on the Cross.”
Never said Lazarus was glorified.
Nothing says Lazarus was Baptized with the Holy Spirit.
Scripture reveals Lazarus was bodily dead and his body resumed living. That his soul was saved. That his body died. And his body SHALL BE raised MADE immortal.
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