Where do people get the spiritual authority?

[MatthewG]

Ok....
You might be confused between what Spiritual authority is and what people believe it to be.
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Im not confused at all.

I'm telling you there is no one who is in spiritual authority.


Anyone who follows after Yahavah, and the Lord Yeshua, it's Yahavha whom has the authority since Yeshua handed everything back to him.


Not any man.

Im not sorry to tell you the truth.

 

[MatthewG]

I rather go by the Spirit rather than what man says...


Thats where people mess up all the time.

They trust themselves more than they actually trust God himself.


That's a problem. That's individual problem.

 

[JohnDB]

Im not confused at all.

I'm telling you there is no one who is in spiritual authority.


Anyone who follows after Yahavah, and the Lord Yeshua, it's Yahavha whom has the authority since Yeshua handed everything back to him.


Not any man.

Im not sorry to tell you the truth.

But you aren't understanding what I am saying.

What scripture means by Spiritual authority and what people often believe today is Spiritual Authority are two completely separate things. I thought you wanted to discuss what God meant and intended by Spiritual Authority instead of what most people think of as Spiritual Authority.

They are not the same.

And it has to do with "pre Jesus" Judaism.

In times before the Messiah people of Israel were supposed to know scripture but had zero license to quote it or handle it to repeat to others. You weren't even allowed to say something was sin. The most anyone could do was say "Know the Lord" to his brother or neighbor.

That is no longer the case because of John the Baptist.
Because of John we now have what is often termed "Priesthood of every believer" which includes the ability to bring our sins to God ourselves, to talk with our God directly without a human priest (except for Jesus) and to read, memorize and quote scripture directly to each other. Absolutely unheard of by anyone (mostly except for Jesus believers) in Paul's day.

That's the Spiritual Authority then and now that scripture refers to. There is no other.

Now what people do is mislabel it and make it out to be a hierchy of some sort here on Earth. When Earth is not where any Authority over each other has been given. Only in Heaven will new Authority POSSIBLY be handed out. and that is NOT here on Earth while still in our mortal bodies.

Here, scripture says to humble ourselves one to another. No hierchy over each other. A real life slave is on equal footing to his owner in Spiritual Authority.

Does this make sense?

Of course people abuse whatever power they can steal here on earth. They are sinners. Genetically predisposed to perpetrate all sorts of evil. Protect the weak....that is our charge. Show them the light. They don't have to or are supposed to be abused. God hates abuse over and above most sins. And abuse done in His name is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. (Unforgivable)

So....
Which exactly is it that you wish to discuss?

The kind of "Spiritual Authority" done that commits Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit or the kind that God has actually given us?

 

[MatthewG]

But you aren't understanding what I am saying.

What scripture means by Spiritual authority and what people often believe today is Spiritual Authority are two completely separate things. I thought you wanted to discuss what God meant and intended by Spiritual Authority instead of what most people think of as Spiritual Authority.

They are not the same.

And it has to do with "pre Jesus" Judaism.

In times before the Messiah people of Israel were supposed to know scripture but had zero license to quote it or handle it to repeat to others. You weren't even allowed to say something was sin. The most anyone could do was say "Know the Lord" to his brother or neighbor.

That is no longer the case because of John the Baptist.
Because of John we now have what is often termed "Priesthood of every believer" which includes the ability to bring our sins to God ourselves, to talk with our God directly without a human priest (except for Jesus) and to read, memorize and quote scripture directly to each other. Absolutely unheard of by anyone (mostly except for Jesus believers) in Paul's day.

That's the Spiritual Authority then and now that scripture refers to. There is no other.

Now what people do is mislabel it and make it out to be a hierchy of some sort here on Earth. When Earth is not where any Authority over each other has been given. Only in Heaven will new Authority POSSIBLY be handed out. and that is NOT here on Earth while still in our mortal bodies.

Here, scripture says to humble ourselves one to another. No hierchy over each other. A real life slave is on equal footing to his owner in Spiritual Authority.

Does this make sense?

Of course people abuse whatever power they can steal here on earth. They are sinners. Genetically predisposed to perpetrate all sorts of evil. Protect the weak....that is our charge. Show them the light. They don't have to or are supposed to be abused. God hates abuse over and above most sins. And abuse done in His name is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. (Unforgivable)

So....
Which exactly is it that you wish to discuss?

The kind of "Spiritual Authority" done that commits Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit or the kind that God has actually given us?

Let me just ask you.

Do you have spiritual authority? Are you a spiritual authority that I must adhere to?



Those are direct questions, which you can either avoid or answer. In the end I know I have no spiritual authority.

It's only by and through (He is the Authority) Yahavah who writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his.... but they don't have no authority or anyhting to go around bullyign people.

 

[JohnDB]

Let me just ask you.

Do you have spiritual authority? Are you a spiritual authority that I must adhere to?



Those are direct questions, which you can either avoid or answer. In the end I know I have no spiritual authority.

It's only by and through (He is the Authority) Yahavah who writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his.... but they don't have no authority or anyhting to go around bullyign people.

Yes, I have Spiritual Authority.
Am I an authority (Spiritual or otherwise) you must adhere to?
Ummmm....nope. Not that I'm aware of and especially not a Spiritual one. (I'm not exactly keen on committing Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)
Probably will never be an authority over you in any capacity. Especially when we are supposed to humble ourselves to each other.

If someone claims to have some sort of Spiritual Authority/power to command over you....you are a first hand witness to Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And I'm sorry if you have been exposed to that. It's disgusting behavior.
I about toss cookies when I'm around that sort of thing. Get away from those sorts of people. (Just a suggestion, not a command) "Bad company corrupts good morals" and I don't think you want to be inadvertently influenced by those sorts. And it can happen unintentionally as well even while you are disgusted by their behavior. (My past experience....uggghhhh....I never want to go through that again)

I have had to go through a whole mind bleach thing of focusing on that which is good, pure, beautiful, pleasant, and Holy for weeks so that my peace returned.

People be people-ing is what my pastor says about them. They invent ways of doing evil....but many just borrow someone else's disgusting behavior and think it nifty to do.

It's scary enough getting God's focused attention for doing good things. You NEVER want to gain it for doing wrong. Especially by doing unforgivable sins.

 

[JohnDB]

However,
If you somehow still believe that I have power over you....
Give me ALL your money including retirement accounts and send it to me now....God needs it. There's a lost soul in Fiji I must convert....I'll be able to meet them while sunbathing on the beach and drinking cool Pina Coladas....then maybe again later while scuba diving. So I need to be ready.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, I have Spiritual Authority.
Am I an authority (Spiritual or otherwise) you must adhere to?
Ummmm....nope. Not that I'm aware of and especially not a Spiritual one. (I'm not exactly keen on committing Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)
Probably will never be an authority over you in any capacity. Especially when we are supposed to humble ourselves to each other.

If someone claims to have some sort of Spiritual Authority/power to command over you....you are a first hand witness to Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And I'm sorry if you have been exposed to that. It's disgusting behavior.
I about toss cookies when I'm around that sort of thing. Get away from those sorts of people. (Just a suggestion, not a command) "Bad company corrupts good morals" and I don't think you want to be inadvertently influenced by those sorts. And it can happen unintentionally as well even while you are disgusted by their behavior. (My past experience....uggghhhh....I never want to go through that again)

I have had to go through a whole mind bleach thing of focusing on that which is good, pure, beautiful, pleasant, and Holy for weeks so that my peace returned.

People be people-ing is what my pastor says about them. They invent ways of doing evil....but many just borrow someone else's disgusting behavior and think it nifty to do.

It's scary enough getting God's focused attention for doing good things. You NEVER want to gain it for doing wrong. Especially by doing unforgivable sins.

However,
If you somehow still believe that I have power over you....
Give me ALL your money including retirement accounts and send it to me now....God needs it. There's a lost soul in Fiji I must convert....I'll be able to meet them while sunbathing on the beach and drinking cool Pina Coladas....then maybe again later while scuba diving. So I need to be ready.

Kay then. I’ll just disagree to agree.

 

[MatthewG]

I do not personally believe anyone has any spiritual authority what so ever.

We do have the earthly authroites, then we have Yahavah himself when Yeshua handed all things back to him.

God is the true authority concerning spiritual matters, and Yeshua speaks spirit and life.

 

[JohnDB]

I do not personally believe anyone has any spiritual authority what so ever.

We do have the earthly authroites, then we have Yahavah himself when Yeshua handed all things back to him.

God is the true authority concerning spiritual matters, and Yeshua speaks spirit and life.

Well....as you are talking about...yes. Most definitely.

But since I am not going to Fiji anytime soon (if ever) ....

Maybe this term "Spiritual Authority " is more of a misnomer than anything else. Which is why we have the expressive term "Priesthood of Every Believer"

Greek out of the Ancient Near East doesn't always translate so straight into English even if the words have a somewhat equal match.

English is the absolute worst receptor language and Hebrew the worst donor language to use. But here we are.

There were actually solid reasons why they were so upset with Tyndale they dug up his bones and burned them 40 years after he was drawn and quartered. And that mostly has to do with using such a barbarian/sinful/satanic language as English to translate the scriptures into.

And English speaking history hasn't been all that great if we are brutally honest. Several instances of genocide, generational abuse of "alien/foreigners" and of course the guerrilla warfare between the denominations. All committed in God's name.

It's an absolute miracle that we have people who actually know the truth about God today. That's a REAL MIRACLE performed by God in my opinion.

 

[MatthewG]

Well....as you are talking about...yes. Most definitely.

But since I am not going to Fiji anytime soon (if ever) ....

Maybe this term "Spiritual Authority " is more of a misnomer than anything else. Which is why we have the expressive term "Priesthood of Every Believer"

Greek out of the Ancient Near East doesn't always translate so straight into English even if the words have a somewhat equal match.

English is the absolute worst receptor language and Hebrew the worst donor language to use. But here we are.

There were actually solid reasons why they were so upset with Tyndale they dug up his bones and burned them 40 years after he was drawn and quartered. And that mostly has to do with using such a barbarian/sinful/satanic language as English to translate the scriptures into.

And English speaking history hasn't been all that great if we are brutally honest. Several instances of genocide, generational abuse of "alien/foreigners" and of course the guerrilla warfare between the denominations. All committed in God's name.

It's an absolute miracle that we have people who actually know the truth about God today. That's a REAL MIRACLE performed by God in my opinion.

God is everything to me man. I’m so thankful that God can be seen in the Majestic clouds, the majestic stars at night, the massive trees, the massive canyons, deserts, snowy Landfield, snowy mountains, rigid mountains. The big dipper must be a couple of God‘s love as someone said on here is interesting. That’s for sure that God can be seen through his creation or at least the evidence that he exist because I can’t prove God exist, but I believe and have faith in him.

 

[JohnDB]

God is everything to me man. I’m so thankful that God can be seen in the Majestic clouds, the majestic stars at night, the massive trees, the massive canyons, deserts, snowy Landfield, snowy mountains, rigid mountains. The big dipper must be a couple of God‘s love as someone said on here is interesting. That’s for sure that God can be seen through his creation or at least the evidence that he exist because I can’t prove God exist, but I believe and have faith in him.

Kinda odd, to me at least, I can discuss my son online and people readily will believe that I have a son and I'm accurately describing his behavior. (He's a millennial)

But I go to talk about what my Heavenly Father is like....and everyone hymns and hawws.....

What's the difference? I know both of them. I see the evidence of their actions on a regular basis. But yet....

 

[MatthewG]

Kinda odd, to me at least, I can discuss my son online and people readily will believe that I have a son and I'm accurately describing his behavior. (He's a millennial)

But I go to talk about what my Heavenly Father is like....and everyone hymns and hawws.....

What's the difference? I know both of them. I see the evidence of their actions on a regular basis. But yet....

Well, there’s a Bible verse that says that God’s handiwork proclaimed the glory of God. Didn’t know if you knew that or not but now you do so take that for what it’s worth and I am fully aware of personal accountability that means as an adult, I’m responsible for myself.

 

[quietthinker]

Where do people get the spiritual authority?​

I reckon choco pops!

 

[ShineTheLight]

Don’t let anyone—whether a pastor, preacher, or spiritual leader—become your gateway to God.

Does that include you?

 

[nedsk]

Does that include you?

you.gotta love the irony

 

[MatthewG]

You.