WHERE : to put your FAITH

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Paul teaches in Romans 12 that everyone has "a/the measure of faith".
And this is easily proven, as everyone believes in something........and that means they are putting their faith in it.

Faith is : TRUST

For example.

Some put their faith in the Buddha.
Some put their faith in Science and Technology
Some put their faith in Money
Some put their faith in Allah, Muhammad, Islam
Some put their faith in Scientology (Tom Cruise for example)
Some put their faith in Atheism
Some put their faith in MARY
Some put their faith in their own opinions and intellect.
Some put their faith in Moroni, or "Church Fathers", or "Mary Baker Eddy".
Some put their faith in Water Baptism.

God told us that if we will put our faith in CHRIST, then our ""faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) righteousness"" imputed to us.

"Abraham BELIEVED GOD (Faith), and it (his faith) was counted by God as righteousness".

Paul teaches this as : "Justification BY faith".........and He teaches it as "(God's)GRACE....through Faith".

Cross Denying Heretics who are ALL under the Galatians 1:8 CURSE....= teach that Faith is not "all there is to it".
So, they then want you to chase commandments, and Moses Law, and water baptism, and confessing sin, and self effort, and enduring to the end... and whatever else they will tell you that you have to ALSO DO......along with believe. (If you want to go to Heaven).
These terribly deceived people "willfully sin" by willfully refusing to believe that Faith alone is all God accepts from a SINNER to save them and keep them saved.

 

[PS95]

Paul teaches in Romans 12 that everyone has "a/the measure of faith".
And this is easily proven, as everyone believes in something........and that means they are putting their faith in it.

Faith is : TRUST

For example.

Some put their faith in the Buddha.
Some put their faith in Science and Technology
Some put their faith in Money
Some put their faith in Allah, Muhammad, Islam
Some put their faith in Scientology (Tom Cruise for example)
Some put their faith in Atheism
Some put their faith in MARY
Some put their faith in their own opinions and intellect.
Some put their faith in Moroni, or "Church Fathers", or "Mary Baker Eddy".
Some put their faith in Water Baptism.

God told us that if we will put our faith in CHRIST, then our ""faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) righteousness"" imputed to us.

"Abraham BELIEVED GOD (Faith), and it (his faith) was counted by God as righteousness".

Paul teaches this as : "Justification BY faith".........and He teaches it as "(God's)GRACE....through Faith".

Cross Denying Heretics who are ALL under the Galatians 1:8 CURSE....= teach that Faith is not "all there is to it".
So, they then want you to chase commandments, and Moses Law, and water baptism, and confessing sin, and self effort, and enduring to the end... and whatever else they will tell you that you have to ALSO DO......along with believe. (If you want to go to Heaven).
These terribly deceived people "willfully sin" by willfully refusing to believe that Faith alone is all God accepts from a SINNER to save them and keep them saved.

Can a person ever demonstrate by a sin lifestyle that they've lost their faith after being born again/truly saved-? You said , yes here-

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So, on what basis do you believe a person can go from true faith/born again-- to hell?
Is our faith a gift of God or our own?
Can He take that faith away? WHY would He?
Because we willfully keep sinning?
What is sin?
Lawlessness?
What is your view?
Can you see yet that one causes the other and should not always be be separated?- (root of faith and fruits)
IOW- we are saved by grace thru faith in Jesus- and if that faith is REAL we will see a changed life which all results in salvation.
But if that person shrinks back to his old ways and lives in his sins for the rest of his days- no salvation. He has left the faith- not abiding in Christ.
We must remain in the faith and Jesus helps us to do that-no doubt!---- but He does not force us to stay if we choose the world over Him.
Let's discuss? I may not have every detail correct there, but it's close. You agree?

 

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Can a person ever demonstrate by a sin lifestyle that they've lost their faith after being born again/truly saved-? You said , yes here-

God accepts our Faith in Christ just one time........ and that is when we are BORN AGAIN.

So, the heretical teaching : that you = hold onto your faith, to try to keep yourself saved, is just one more false teaching, that is taught by people who do not have real faith in Christ.

What do they have?
They have faith in FAITH...........vs Faith in Christ.
They have...>>>"well as long as i keep my faith".....i keep myself saved.
So, we see that this heretic has faith in FAITH keeping them saved, and not faith in CHRIST to keep them saved.
This means their faith in CHRIST is gone, is broken.

So, on what basis do you believe a person can go from true faith/born again-- to hell?

There are no Christians found in Hell.
There are no Christ Rejectors, never born again, found in Heaven.

Is our faith a gift of God or our own?

Paul teaches in Romans 12 that everyone has "a/the measure of faith".
And this is easily proven, as everyone believes in something........and that means they are putting their faith in it.

Can He take that faith away? WHY would He?

A Christians can lose their faith.........but never their Salvation.
We can have "dead faith".......but we never stop being born again.

Because we willfully keep sinning?

Most sins or (works of the flesh) are committed knowingly.
Its a LIAR, pretedning to be a Christian who will say.......well, i confessed my sin, but that is because it was always an accident, i never chose to do any of it.

See that liar on a forum like this one?
God sees them.
Believe it.

What is sin?

Anything that Moses Law defines as a Transgression or Iniquity, is "sin".

- we are saved by grace thru faith in Jesus- and if that faith is REAL we will see a changed life which all results in salvation.

You have that exactly backwards. @PS95
Listen, Its the Salvaiton .. = WHO is God in us, who produces a Changed Life... whereas if you are trying to do it, then you are a ACTOR, who is PRETENDING to be spiritual, and God knows all about that @PS95 .
See, when a faker changes themselves into some sort of "christian disciple", then whatever it is they are doing, will fail, because there is no power from God that caused it or will continue it., and that is why they eventually fail, and have to start over, and confess that sin again.... ect ect.
This is the result of trying to "do your own salvation" because you don't trust in Christ to keep you saved.

But if that person shrinks back to his old ways and lives in his sins for the rest of his days- no salvation. He has left the faith- not abiding in Christ.

The only way to abide in Christ is to be born again "in Christ"' as now you are= IN HIM, and that is how you ABIDE = in Him.
The heretics are all trying to be good and do good, because they are trying to imitate some idea they have of what it means to be a Christian, and a disciple.
They are in fact a FAKE who is pretending "to abide" by self effort.

We must remain in the faith and Jesus helps us to do that-no doubt!--

WE can only remain in the faith, for as long as we put all our Trust in Christ to KEEP US SAVED.
And once you stop believeing this, then you are now become a SELF SAVER, a FAKE Beleiver, who has no real faith in Christ.

-- but He does not force us to stay if we choose the world over Him.

Takle your bible and you can study the story of DEMAS, who was a disciple of Paul's..
Demas was a young man who was born again, and decided that he missed the world and all that it has to offer.......so, he "back-slid" and left the ministry. He turned his back on it all.
What happened to Demas, ???????? is not stated in the NT, but i know what happened to Him.
He either repented and came back to the ministry, which is possible, or he didnt and continued down that dark path and Paul teaches that if you stay there.......even after Heb 12:6 has dealt with you a few times over a period of time , then : "you will die".
And Demas, perhaps did die, and He died BORN AGAIN, and that means that his Salvation was not lost.
See, our salvation is Jesus on The Cross, and once we Have HIM in us........and are born again.......as was DEMAS, then going to heaven is assured. In fact, Reader... the born again are already there........"seated in Heavenly Places IN CHRIST"......and so is DEMAS.
What isn't assured is if the Believer is going to be able to "work out their salvation" and come to the understanding that Jesus always keeps them saved.
And not that many ever get to that place of revelation, where they put on the "helmet of Salvation">... but if they do, then Paul defines them as "as many as be perfect"......."perfect" in UNDERSTANDING, regarding what it means to be "SAVED".

The reason that carnal believers hate to be told that you can't lose your Salvation, is because they believe their Salvaiton is based on their behavior, and this means that they want to pretend that their behavior is why God will keep them.
That is their FAITH, and its broken., as they have no real faith in Christ..........So, if you wanted to make a case for who isn't abiding in Jesus then its the person who does not believe that Jesus keeps them saved, always...........always.
So, that is a very carnal believer, and its best to avoid them.
Paul teaches in Titus 3:10 that once they are dealt with about their faith issue, and they wont listen.....2-3 times, then show them the door, .. get them out of your church because they are "subverted within themselves".

Jesus refers to them as a Dark Light.........in Luke 11:35.

The reason Forums like this one are a confused and angry "chaos" is because these deceived and carnal people are allowed to keep causing it every day with what they teach.

 

[PS95]

A Christians can lose their faith.........but never their Salvation.
We can have "dead faith".......but we never stop being born again.

and here we go again. ---You are saying 2 different things now.

Freedom : From Sin

Perhaps if you were a bit wider in your thinking, regarding your posted comment....then you might comprehend that its impossible to teach all of Paul's Doctrine, in a single Thread's Topic. He has ALL the Church Doctrine, as found in his 13 Epistles, and the "part about Salvation" is only a...

www.christianityboard.com

Takle your bible and you can study the story of DEMAS, who was a disciple of Paul's..
Demas was a young man who was born again, and decided that he missed the world and all that it has to offer.......so, he "back-slid" and left the ministry. He turned his back on it all.
What happened to Demas, ???????? is not stated in the NT, but i know what happened to Him.
He either repented and came back to the ministry, which is possible, or he didnt and continued down that dark path and Paul teaches that if you stay there.......even after Heb 12:6 has dealt with you a few times over a period of time , then : "you will die".
And Demas, perhaps did die, and He died BORN AGAIN, and that means that his Salvation was not lost.
See, our salvation is Jesus on The Cross, and once we Have HIM in us........and are born again.......as was DEMAS, then going to heaven is assured. If fact the born again are already there........"seated in Heavenly Places IN CHRIST"......and so is DEMAS.

It appears there is a major contradiction in what you teach. In the other post to me you said that a "truly saved born again" believer would go to hell when he died. I am not imaging that- you said it right to me. SEE HERE-

Freedom : From Sin

Perhaps if you were a bit wider in your thinking, regarding your posted comment....then you might comprehend that its impossible to teach all of Paul's Doctrine, in a single Thread's Topic. He has ALL the Church Doctrine, as found in his 13 Epistles, and the "part about Salvation" is only a...

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Now you've swung back into your other way again.. Consider this wackiness before teaching anyone.

The reason Forums like this one are a confused and angry "chaos" is because these deceived and carnal people are allowed to keep causing it every day with what they teach.

You seem to be in confusion. It's not a big deal- it happens. I'm not your enemy.

 

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It appears there is a major contradiction in what you teach. In the other post to me you said that a "truly saved born again" believer would go to hell when he died. I am not imaging that- you said it right to me. SEE HERE-

Freedom : From Sin

Perhaps if you were a bit wider in your thinking, regarding your posted comment....then you might comprehend that its impossible to teach all of Paul's Doctrine, in a single Thread's Topic. He has ALL the Church Doctrine, as found in his 13 Epistles, and the "part about Salvation" is only a...

www.christianityboard.com

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So, here is what i teach, in 400 Threads..........No born again Christian can go to Hell.
So, if i ever posted that, its simple case of misplacing a word.

Its really that simple.