Where Truth is No Longer Truth

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Linda

New Member
Sep 9, 2025
22
7
3
76
Ladera Ranch Ca
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Grace is not a divine permission for us to continue living as we did before, it is the power of God that empowers us to live differently. Some people take this glorious message and turn it into something that God never intended, if God is so merciful and always forgives us, why should we strive so hard to avoid sin or if grace covers everything, what is the problem with giving in to our desires. This logic seems to make sense to the carnal mind, but it completely ignores what the Bible teaches about holiness. Sound doctrine will seem too heavy, too demanding, too inconvenient for the lifestyle people want to build and when the truth starts to really bother, the natural movement is to seek a substitute that still seems spiritual, still uses the name of God, still meets on Sundays, but does not touch any part of the heart.
Amen, thank you..
 

newnature

Member
Mar 24, 2011
577
99
28
I love that paraphrase of the scripture. It also reminds me of the teachings as contained in , The Book NLT Bible version.


Great testimony.

I believe walking in holiness is synonymous with happiness.
Temptation is not sin, but its sin’s sedative hallway and hallways were never made for standing still. If you linger in that hallway long enough, your feet will move and when they do, it’s rarely toward holiness. The end of the world is not the collapse of God’s plan, it is the moment when the rightful King takes his throne. Psalm 2:1, why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? David is not confused, he is astonished. Why do the nations rage? Why do peoples conspire? Why does the world resist its creator? David is not describing a single war, he seeing a pattern, a future moment, when the world would move in one direction, together in defiance. This rage is not random, it is coordinated, it is intentional, the nations are not simply angry, they are aligning, a world united not in peace, but in rebellion.
 

newnature

Member
Mar 24, 2011
577
99
28
There times that people have a hard time understanding the scripture.....here is one of them.
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son......
John 3:16, God gave his only son, the cost behind the love, love is proven not by words, but by what it is willing to give. Jesus did not say God felt love, he said God gave and what he gave was not excess, not convenience, not something replaceable, he gave his only son. These words carry a weight that cannot be rushed past, to give a son is to give the future, to give an only son is to give everything. This was not a poetic phrase meant to sound dramatic, it was a declaration of cost, God’s love would not remain distant or theoretical, it would step into flesh, it would walk among those who misunderstood it, it would endure rejection, betrayal, silence and suffering. The giving began not at the cross, but at the incarnation, when heaven chose limitation and eternity stepped into time, Jesus knew where this road led.
 

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
14,211
6,184
113
69
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
John 3:16, God gave his only son, the cost behind the love, love is proven not by words, but by what it is willing to give. Jesus did not say God felt love, he said God gave and what he gave was not excess, not convenience, not something replaceable, he gave his only son. These words carry a weight that cannot be rushed past, to give a son is to give the future, to give an only son is to give everything. This was not a poetic phrase meant to sound dramatic, it was a declaration of cost, God’s love would not remain distant or theoretical, it would step into flesh, it would walk among those who misunderstood it, it would endure rejection, betrayal, silence and suffering. The giving began not at the cross, but at the incarnation, when heaven chose limitation and eternity stepped into time, Jesus knew where this road led.

God so loved the world....
Pretty simple, cannot be twisted.
What He gave showed the extent of His love.
Again pretty simple.
 

newnature

Member
Mar 24, 2011
577
99
28
God so loved the world....
Pretty simple, cannot be twisted.
What He gave showed the extent of His love.
Again pretty simple.
Belief admits that effort cannot save, knowledge cannot redeem and morality cannot restore what sin has broken, belief is an act of humility before it is an act of faith. John 3:16, this may be one reason Jesus did not say whoever behaves or whoever achieves, he said believes. Faith is the only response that matches grace, anything else turns salvation into a transaction, belief shifts the focus from what you bring to what God has done and that makes it accessible to everyone and controllable by no one.
 

Grailhunter

Well-Known Member
Jun 19, 2019
14,211
6,184
113
69
FARMINGTON
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Belief admits that effort cannot save, knowledge cannot redeem and morality cannot restore what sin has broken, belief is an act of humility before it is an act of faith. John 3:16, this may be one reason Jesus did not say whoever behaves or whoever achieves, he said believes. Faith is the only response that matches grace, anything else turns salvation into a transaction, belief shifts the focus from what you bring to what God has done and that makes it accessible to everyone and controllable by no one.

I think you might be right, but it has little to do with God's love for the world.
I think between the two verses I think the meaning hinges on the two meanings of the word world.