Who are the Saved?

[ScottA]

That is at the final redemption. Being given an eternal body after leaving this mortal body. The idea of having 2 bodies at the present time is based on a bad reading and a somewhat unstable mind.

That means taking away from much of what is written. I am not going to quote it all--you should know better--and thus are accountable for all. Here's just one:

2 Corinthians 5:17​

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.​

But even this can be misconstrued, or misinterpreted, leaving us to choose. However, if one believes his flesh body is new and born of the Spirit, he only kids himself and believes a lie. For as it has already been stated, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

 

[ScottA]

How you arrive at 2 bodies is basically schizoid Gnosticism. Have you ever been diagnosed?

I'm not claiming to be sinless...I'm claiming that in Christ is no sin. There is balance that an extreme view can't perceive.

I am claiming to have walked without sin in the past...because I was translated to walk where Jesus is. In Zion.

The walk is real. There is victory in Christ....which people here will deny claiming to be sinners until they die...and that's the case because they have never entered into Christ.

Okay Episkopos, I can see you are trying...and I know this is your thread and you should try to save face, I get that. But we all have a need to be available to hone our beliefs--if that is what we are stating, and most are. And these times are for that very purpose of being lead "unto all truth." Some of the things we now speak of may yet are foundational, and rightly so, for there are new believers among us. But we also are living in the times of building and finishing the works of Christ. That is where "rightly dividing the word of truth" comes in and is so important. Even so, we are on the outer limbs from the Branch, and many have strayed from what is actually true, spreading leaves that are destine to wither and die or be cut off and thrown into the fire. And many are victims of former false teachings.

But if we are to represent Christ correctly, we need to acknowledge and preach if we will preach, that there is a natural body and a spiritual body, that what is born of the flesh is flesh and what is born of the spirit is spirit, and no version of the flesh inherits the new heavens and earth, for all these are the kingdom of God.

Save your face if you must, but if you stray too far... I'll leave it at that.

 

[ScottA]

The big issue here...is that it is hard to imagine being without the bodies we have known for so long and become accustom to.

But does that mean that we should not want to imagine the reality of changing from flesh to spirit, or from this world to the kingdom of God--which we have been told requires, "the renewing of your mind?"

In that vein of though, we are also told that "we shall see Him [Jesus] as He is." --So, is Christ in you? Can you "see Him?" "As He is?" Is He physical flesh "in you?" You can see those who are physical and flesh, right? ...So, what are you thinking--that He is in you in "spirit" and that is some kind of ooomy, ooomy temporary existence, like His is with you in spirit like He's just happy for you? Or that God is spirit, and He is God, so when He comes into you He is actually coming into you and residing "within" you...and spirit--which by definition would be Him "coming in the glory of the Father", just as it is written?

With all that has been said in this one thread alone, it is hard to imagine that some have even thought this all through. Anyway, God is spirit, but Jesus in you is not? Or is it YES, Jesus is God, He is spirit...and maybe I should reconsider the whole physical body and flesh thing that so many want to believe? Or did you just think some of this is simply impossible--impossible for God?

 

[sondring7]

Your great error is to think that Paul taught anything different than Jesus.

Are you a follower of Christ?

The gospel you adhere to is definitely from down under...the nether regions.

+++The gospel you adhere to is definitely from down under...the nether regions
Apparently so is the Bible :)
What did Jesus via Paul teach was required of you to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15.1-4 results in Eph 1.13, Col 2.13
What did Jesus via Paul teach was your performance requirements to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Eph 2.8-9, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1

 

[Episkopos]

+++The gospel you adhere to is definitely from down under...the nether regions
Apparently so is the Bible :)
What did Jesus via Paul teach was required of you to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
1 Cor 15.1-4 results in Eph 1.13, Col 2.13
What did Jesus via Paul teach was your performance requirements to be saved, justified, HS sealed ?
Gal 2.16, Rom 3.28, Eph 2.8-9, Rom 4.5, Rom 5.1

You are trying to build your understanding on the wrong foundation. You are NOT answering any of my questions...just adding in your own misunderstandings based on an indoctrination away from Jesus Christ.

If you just want to be a poster person for error I will ignore you in future as a lost cause. Engage the reason why you disrespect Jesus and what He says. Did Paul die for you? Is Paul the son of God?

 

[Lambano]

Here you go. A Paul-Only bible for you. Apparently, the Marcionite Church (Marcionite Christian Church) still exists today,1800 years after Marcion was excommunicated for heresy. Here's their Bible. It consists of The Evangelium, a redacted version of the Gospel of Luke, and The Apostolikon, a collection of the letters of Paul.

I should note that Marcion was a follower of Paul, and his heresy was teaching that the YHWH who created the world in Genesis 1.1 was a demiurge (a lesser god) and distinct from the Father of Jesus Christ. That is why the Marcionite canon contains no writings from the Old Testament, none of the Synoptic Gospels, none of the letters from James, John, or Peter, and no Revelation.

 

[Episkopos]

Here you go. A Paul-Only bible for you. Apparently, the Marcionite Church (Marcionite Christian Church) still exists today,1800 years after Marcion was excommunicated for heresy. Here's their Bible. It consists of The Evangelium, a redacted version of the Gospel of Luke, and The Apostolikon, a collection of the letters of Paul.

I should note that Marcion was a follower of Paul, and his heresy was teaching that the YHWH who created the world in Genesis 1.1 was a demiurge (a lesser god) and distinct from the Father of Jesus Christ. That is why the Marcionite canon contains no writings from the Old Testament, none of the Synoptic Gospels, none of the letters from James, John, or Peter, and no Revelation.

Very nice! The modern take on Marcionism is dispensatonalism....whereby Jesus is seen as an OT character and only Paul administers Christ properly.

Just another way to avoid the gospel of Christ.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Bible clearly states that those who take root in God's fertile soil/field, will inherit His promise of the whole earth and everlasting life.

The seed that does not grow in God's fertile soil/field will be lost and judged to be unrighteous.

Shalom