Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?
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You are now responsible for the way we all are.
Are you satisfied now? :)
Jesus is still the only one that can FIX what is broken.
why did Jesus not restore us completely at the time of his crucifixtion and resurrection?
we are still defective on original sin and prone to sin until death
I don't play games when it concerns between "eternal life to death!"
Romas 5:12 reads:
"Wherefore, as by one man {Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men (including babies), for that all (including babies) have sinned."
Rather, I'd say: "Even in the death of the wicked, God is so loving and merciful that He does not wish all the wicked (including babies) to suffer eternal punishment, but everlasting destruction/annihilation. For the "Wages of sin is death."
What has abortion have to do with "wicked babies?" But if a wicked baby can be saved by throwing him into hell's fire (as per refining gold) then I am for abortion. Until then abortion of babies is still murder.
To God Be The Glory
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Every English Bible I have read says you're wrong. Hell fire is EVERLASTING, just like "eternal life".
All of our Bibles say you're wrong, even the JW bible. Have you read any of them?
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no I did not say that!
bit without baptism they are devoid of grace and cannot enter heaven Jn 3:5
so baptize them infants as scripture says acts 2:38-39
those that die without baptism are in limbo, God did not tell us how he deals with them, they are commended to the mercy of God
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I don’t know, it simply means we don’t know what happens to them, they can’t go to heaven without the grace baptismal regeneration, but they have no personal sin so they can’t be in hell!
Why are fundamentalists so opposed to infant baptism
Let the little children come into me!
Acts 2:38-39 this promise (ez36:25-27) is to you’re children
Christ creates no creature with sin, nor has He made babes from the womb want to sin.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
The author and maker of sinning you speak of is Lucifer, and the Lucifer has not created any creature on earth, nor made any babe in the womb.
Saying man is created and born with sin nature, lusting to sin from the womb, is calling Jesus Christ the devil.
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Limbo is in limboland, where limbomania reigns supreme.
The Bible calls it vain imagination.
Sin is wilfull! Babies CANNOT sin. Why would they be denied Heaven?
Well you make more sense than "limbo".
Matthew 19
14 But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
God made us good in the garden and declared that his creation was good, the fall caused a dominion by satan over mankind and the defects of a fallen nature are passed on by natural procreation
cause they have original sin not personal sin and are devoid of grace and need baptism Jn 3:5
2 pet 1:11
A sacrament is an oath! A sacred promise from God! Ez 36:25-27
Acts 2:38-39 (this promise)
A sacrament is an outward sign for all men including infants And a gift from God to help us see what he does inwardly and invisibly by his grace!
As grace Washes our souls in the merits of Jesus blood from original and personal sin, so the outward action of washing is visible!
without the outward action the inward action cannot take place!
Jn 3:5 Titus 3:5 water and washing
acts 22:16 wash away your sin!
Jn 3:5 Born again BY water and the spirit! Not by “faith alone”!
They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “
They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22
A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!
Ez 36:25 I will sprinkle you with clean water and you shall be made white as snow.
Acts 22:16 washing away your sins.
Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.
1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.
You cannot enter on you’re own or by faith alone!
2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Baptism!
God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!
Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 eph 2
Born again! Born from above!
'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,
Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who I has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.
St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13
Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)
Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by God thru baptism!
Christ instituted the holy church for the salvation of all men, (repent and believe the gospel, with the institution of the sacraments to convey grace to sanctify souls!
Effects of faith & baptism!
Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!
“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!
Faith and baptism!
Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!
You don't quote Scriptures and you post a huge smokescreen. Not interested.
amigo de christo
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You too are in error having no knowledge of Scripture! Do you understand the meaning of Matthew19:14?
If "hell fire" is everlasting then obviously we can still see today the fire and smoke of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, but it's just an example as per Jude 1:7. BECAUSE the "wages of sin is death" and NOT "EVERLASTING FIRE" as many read.
The terms "everlastig fire," "their worm dieth not" "smoke of their torment"....etc;... are all terms to indicate an everlasting condition, that is those who go to hell after judgment "will never rise again" because they are dead and dead people do not have power to live nor life in themselves, and because God took back the "breath of life" He gave them in the beginning.
To God Be The Glory
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