Who Created or Made a Sin Nature?
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And so, you say the creator of souls and maker of babes coming into the word, is now the devil, making all men with fallen natures, and darkening them with lust to sin from the womb.
That would men Jesus Christ is no longer the Creator and Maker of all men, that lightens every man coming into the world with His true Light. And your creator and maker and christ is the devil from cradle to grave.
For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
This is what happens when people believe their own lies and religious traditions more than God, so that Scripture has no more effect upon their foolish minds and vain imaginations.
It was the same with them that crucified the true Christ, because they wanted another christ like the one you teach:
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
There aren't. And no one goes to heaven and lives in glory either.
I think the Buddha is right. We just keep getting reincarnated time and time again, until we finally get it right and just blow out into sparkling star dust, until the universe itself blows itself out back to nothingness.
What about you?
You honestly don't know any???
Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I've noticed that they have no sense of practical things done by God, yet also reject all spiritual things of Christ within us.
What in the world does fire from the Lord, reigning down from heaven to destroy some cities on earth have to do with hell in the heart of the earth, and the eternal lake of fire?
Do they reject the flood because the water isn't still covering the mountains? Why then reject hell, because the flames on earth petered out to embers and dust?
They are completely carnal minded, but at times have no natural sense of things.
Hebrews 10
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
All Protestants, fundamentalists, rigorist are infected with pride and the vices!
Like Saul they thought they are doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!
but then comes the blinding light of Christ!
Protestant fundamentalism is based on pride, presumption, and arrogance!
The doctrine of demons has built in vices!
Jn 8:32 the truth shall make you free! So false doctrine shall hold you in bondage!
The nature of pride always says no I will not serve, like the father of pride! Pride always protests and lives in a continuous state of rebellion!
The virtues of a Christian are those of Christ, humility, Mt 11:29 obedience, and submission to proper authority, acceptance holy church and all she proposes for belief! Matt 28:19
The Faithful! The obedient of God!
As opposed to the rebellion of spiritual anarchy!
Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!
They put themselves in the place of God!
God alone can determine truth and morals!
We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is truth!
And this extends to His church!
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!
Jesus Christ is the light of the world!
And this extends to His church!
Matt 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. (The holy city)
We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs!
Like Saul they thought they are doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!
but then comes the blinding light of Christ!
Protestant fundamentalism is based on pride, presumption, and arrogance!
The doctrine of demons has built in vices!
Jn 8:32 the truth shall make you free! So false doctrine shall hold you in bondage!
The nature of pride always says no I will not serve, like the father of pride! Pride always protests and lives in a continuous state of rebellion!
The virtues of a Christian are those of Christ, humility, Mt 11:29 obedience, and submission to proper authority, acceptance holy church and all she proposes for belief! Matt 28:19
The Faithful! The obedient of God!
As opposed to the rebellion of spiritual anarchy!
Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!
They put themselves in the place of God!
God alone can determine truth and morals!
We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ is truth!
And this extends to His church!
1 Tim 3:15 the church is the pillar of truth!
Jesus Christ is the light of the world!
And this extends to His church!
Matt 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. (The holy city)
We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs!
Pretty long winded just to say nah-uh. The more people write, the less they have to say.
Jesus Christ is still the Creator and Maker of all souls and babes in the womb, and He is not a devil to put sin in, to lust for the devil from the womb.
Jesus Christ is not a devilish creator and maker of sinners.
amigo de christo
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You better RETHINK your first line my friend .
IT aint me having folks bow before me to kiss my ring .
It aint me having folks to call me MOST HOLY FATHER , OR reverand or most holy reverand .
ITS YOUR CHURCH DOING ALL THAT NONSENSE .
Make no mistake there is MUCH PRIDE all over the protestant realm , BUT ITS FULLY INFECTED the CC for a very long time .
HYPROCRISY my friend . YOu are full of it .
By the way the JW can make the same claim you do , So can the protestant , so can the mormon .
THEY TOO claim they sit UNDER SOMEONE and accuse those who wont conform to their ways as being FULL OF PRIDE .
YOU ALL DO THIS . Your leaders have bankrupted the truth of the true faith FROM YOU . THEY NEVER ENTERED IN THEMSELVES
and they prohibit all who would from doing so . YOU NEEED to investigate your own beloved CC .
LEAVE ME to correcting the protestant realm . YOUR realm is worse than even theirs . First YOU gotta pull the LOG out of your eye
before you can try and correct the protestant realm . TIME FOR BIBLES . OPEN and READ AND LEARN FOR YOU .
Of course not. We read in Scripture where Lucifer first sinned against God with lust from the heart. That was the first original sin any created being of God sinned against God. We also read in Genesis 3 where the first man Adam also sinned, by lusting the same as Lucifer to be a god unto himself. We also read and know by experience, that every man afterward, except Jesus, has sinned at some point in life, when tempted likewise as Adam to lust for it.
I still remember the first time I sinned as a child. I also have a few memories before I first sinned, as a littler child.
Of course there was an original first sin, that was committed by a spiritual being created by God, with free will to do so and destroy himself.
The true God and Christ however never has, nor does, nor will create any being to sin, with lust for it from the womb.
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
He is not a wicked christ like the one you idolize and preach, where it is His good pleasure to create beings with sin, for the purpose of sinning and being judged with death
The false christ you preach as a god and creator and maker of his own creatures for the purpose of sinning, is of course the god of this world.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
He's got plenty of believers like you, idolizing him as their creator and maker with sin, for sinning, and to sin with him. He also has you believing your parents sinned by giving birth to you.
The true Christ however commands we honor father and mother, which is not possible while we condemn them for conceiving us with the devil in the first place.
It's simple, though all men have sinned when lusting for it on earth, as Adam did first, no man was created and made by Christ to do so, even as the first man wasn't.
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thanks for proving my point!
All men have fallen human nature and are defective and have pride to some degree! That’s all!
the ring is only a sign or symbol of his jurisdictional authority under the king! Isa 22:21-22 called father and has the keys
Did Joseph’s brothers sin in bowing down and giving obedience to Joseph?
Bow down obedience or starve!
cos only Egypt and Joseph had good
Did Solomon sin bowing to his mother? Or was he obeying the commandment honor Thy father and mother 1 kings 2:19
The doctrine of demons has built in vices!
Jn 8:32 the truth shall make you free! So false doctrine shall hold you in bondage!
The only way to know the truth is to know church who’s is the truth!
Jn 14:6
This extends to his church the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15
Christ is the light of the world!
This extends to His church!
Matt 5:14
The nature of pride always says no I will not serve, like the father of pride! I decide truth for myself! Pride always protests and lives in a continuous state of rebellion!
The virtues of a Christian are those of Christ, humility, Mt 11:29 obedience, and submission to proper authority, acceptance holy church and all she proposes for belief! Matt 28:19
The Faithful! The obedient of God!
As opposed to the rebellion of spiritual anarchy!
Those who make themselves the only arbiter of truth!
They put themselves in the place of God!
God alone can determine truth and morals!
We must in humility be taught of God and Christ thru His church and apostles!
Jn 14:6 Jesus Christ (not you) is the way, the truth, and the life!
Jn 1:16-17 grace and truth come by Jesus Christ!
We must be taught or instructed:
Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Jn 20:21
Acts 8:31
No Christian has the authority to read scripture for yourself and decide your own doctrines or beliefs! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Context, exegesis are not found in the scripture! Instruction, and taught are found in scripture!
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Even one word of God is still the eternal word of God!
In many verses of scripture there are out of the way or by the way comments that don’t have anything to do with the context or chapter they are found in!
Context cannot change doctrine!
There is no content or context of John 14 that can make Jesus Christ not to be the way, the truth, and the life!
How can context make a verse untrue? We actually believe scripture, all scripture! (Not just 66 books of the English Bible society)
One verse or even one word is still scripture and is worthy for instruction!
We cannot read scriptures and decide doctrine for ourselves according to scripture we must be “taught”!
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
Acts 4:1-2
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,
2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.
Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord;
1 thes 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth and the holy church are from God!
Truth is immutable! Cannot change!
all I know is original sin of Adam is passed to his offspring with all its effects until baptism removes the original sin and we then deny ourselves and suffer with Christ until the resurrection of the body and all is restored!
Romans 5:19
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
It's simple, though all men have sinned when lusting for it on earth, as Adam did first, no man was created and made by Christ to do so, even as the first man wasn't.
not all
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
not all
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
I like the verse that says...
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
“fire in the age to come.” The Greek does not refer to “eternal fire,” as if the fire would last forever, but rather “the fire in the age to come,” that is, the fire associated with Christ’s kingdom on earth, when the wicked will be punished by being thrown into Gehenna. The Greek word aiōnios (αἰώνιος) in this context does not refer to how long the fire burns as to the fact that it is the fire that is spoken of that relates to the Day of Judgment associated with the Messianic Age, the Coming Age, the age to come.
That's all a lot of Christians know, whether Catholic or Protestant.
And it's proven that's all they want to know, when that's all they have to say after seeing Scripture say otherwise.
Don't think for one second I am writing to you personally, as though to try and correct you or something. I just enjoy writing the truth to expose the lies. I do it for it's own benefit to my soul, and any others they believe the truth.
RD said: There aren't. And no one goes to heaven and lives in glory either.
Acts 1:9
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Acts 1:9
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
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