Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?

[David in NJ]

Zero evidence. The reader can see you have nothing.

The reader must not of read Genesis, the Gospel and Revelation

Or he/she read but does not believe and/or understand

 

[amigo de christo]

Still doesn't explain how the city is saved people yet the same passage says saved people travel to enter the city. The city is adorned as a bride, and the bride will enter into it.

why i thought it would have been so simple to a child of the ONE TRUE GOD and HIS CHRIST
to clearly understand HOW and THE ONLY WAY one can be saved .
But just in case this has become cloudy to some , ALLOW me some parting words .
FOR THIS IS not just a way BUT IS THE ONLY WAY ONE can be saved . BELEIVE YE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
if one BELEIVES NOT HIM then the TRUTH IS NOT IN THEM .

 

[amigo de christo]

Always remember the number 3 = for it is the Number of ELOHIM

ALWAYS remember rather THIS . GOD is not a man that HE can lie .
HIS EVERY WORD IS TRUTH . And thus if JESUS said it , WE KNOW IT IS OF GOD .
SO always REMEMBER If one claims to BELEIVE ON HIM and TRULY DOES BELEIVE ON THE CHRIST OF GOD
then they had BELIEVED HIS WORDS . THEY HAD KEPT HIS COMMANDMENTS and never sold
his words out for the twisted doctrines of men , OF MEN WHO CAN LIE , BUT GOD CANNOT LIE .
Just a friendly reminder that i know you already know .

 

[amigo de christo]

The reader must not of read Genesis, the Gospel and Revelation

Or he/she read but does not believe and/or understand

lets reshape that last sentence just a wee bit .
Now it is true that a sheep can read some things and yet NOT understand .
BUT they still GONNA BELIEVE what is written and will surley KNOW it is TRUTH and IS OF GOD .
Now i dont know who this one is that you spoke of
but i do know this next statement to be true .
IF GOD SAID IT , IT IS TRUE and IS THE TRUTH as IS HIS EVERY WORD
as iS the words of the prophets , as IS THE WORD of GOD CHRIST JESUS and all things HE DID say .
TRUTH .
What is t ruth . HERE IS WHAT IS TRUTH and WHO IS TRUTH .
TRUTH is EvERY WORD OF GOD , the scriptures INSPIRED OF GOD
Every word of Christ is truth . AND GOD IS THE TRUTH , CHRIST IS THE TRUTH and THE SPIRIT IS THE TRUTH .
And any one , to include myself and all others , who speaks a word contrary
to that which is written , who omits and adds too or takes from such words
WELL THAT IS ONE no man should heed or follow . but rather CORRECT .
And if the one selling the twiseted doctrine does not repent ,
FOLLOW the pattern left for us IN the scrips BY CHRIST and later the apostels .
ITS NOT A SIN to cast one out of the church FOR their justificiation and pratice OF SIN and of lies .

 

[rwb]

Always remember the number 3 = for it is the Number of ELOHIM

David, why would you write this, and why do you remind me to remember the number three? Speak plainly if you really desire to have biblical discussions in these forums.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Whosoever has been born again through the Spirit of Christ within them have already taken part of the first resurrection. Because the first resurrection man must have part in to overcome the second death, is the resurrection of Christ alone. It is through the life, death and eternal resurrection of Christ that began anew ETERNAL resurrection life. That's why Christ promised that whosoever lives and believes in Him shall NEVER die. A/the thousand years has nothing to do with a literal ONE thousand years. It is written that we might know that in Christ TIME for living and reigning with Christ forever begins when we are born again. And that we might also know that TIME for having part in the resurrection life of Christ has an expiration date, when the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound.

No
It is a literal 1000 yr time frame and Satan is chained.
Doctrines may not like it, but it is a literal 1000 yr time frame.

 

[amigo de christo]

David, why would you write this, and why do you remind me to remember the number three? Speak plainly if you really desire to have biblical discussions in these forums.

while i do beleive David does know truth , i am afraid you are correct ON THIS .
HE is simply gonna have to speak plainly .
There are even some hidden things that have been revelead to me , t hings concerning spiritual meat .
HOWEVER in most cases , many do not even beleive the basics anymore . And i sure cannot chunk meat
as those . I truly beleive we need to do a return to the b asics . OF all things JESUS said and later the apotels taught .
NOW if we did this i can assure you and others that many would see
WHY there has become such confusion upon a lot of christendom .
FOR MANY DO NOT EVEN BLEIEVE the basics anymore . SO HOW ON Earth are they gonna hear
deeper things . You would be SO shocked to see
who and just how many will omit some of JESUS teachings , WILL even pit apostel against apostels
WILL even teach there is two plans of salvation , two gospels and etc .
You would be stunned to see how many support WOMEN preachers , ev en certain sins
EVEN adultery , and even the love of money .
YOU would be shocked to see how so very many now have chosen to follow men over and rather
THAN GOD , THAN CHRIST , THAN THE SPIRIT . they have chosen
the doctrines of men that best suited their own hearts desires . And that my friend
IS not any shoes that any one wants to be in ON JESUS DAY . NOT AT ALL . What is TRUTH .
IT aint what man says
IT bE WHAT GOD SAYS .

 

[CrowCross]

How did the serpent, a metaphor for Satan come into this fallen state?

The bible in Eze 28:15 give us a hint but not the complete story. "From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways—until wickedness was found in you."

Remember how God defines the serpent at creation, which we only discover from the New Testament to describe Satan. Why does God tell us the serpent, a creeping thing, created with all the creatures upon the earth was created more subil [cunning & crafty in a bad sense] than any other beasts of the field?

I have heard several explanations to that question...an answer would be based mostly upon speculation.
But, I assume you know the answer....so, what is it?

Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 1:24-25 (KJV) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

 

[amigo de christo]

No
It is a literal 1000 yr time frame and Satan is chained.
Doctrines may not like it, but it is a literal 1000 yr time frame.

it does appear to be so .
Cause notice that satan is BOUND . And at the same time BOTH the FP and beast are roasting alive in a lake of fire .
AND I DARN SURE SEE A LOT OF DECEPTOIN GOING ON all over the world and worse even in the churches .
WHO YA THINK is behind it . Satan is of course . HE IS NOT YET BOUND where he cannot
deceive the nations . NO HE IS STILL deceiving them all .

 

[CrowCross]

it does appear to be so .
Cause notice that satan is BOUND . And at the same time BOTH the FP and beast are roasting alive in a lake of fire .
AND I DARN SURE SEE A LOT OF DECEPTOIN GOING ON all over the world and worse even in the churches .
WHO YA THINK is behind it . Satan is of course . HE IS NOT YET BOUND where he cannot
deceive the nations . NO HE IS STILL deceiving them all .

Satan isn't bound....and we haven't reached the 1,000 year reign of Christ yet where he will be bound.

 

[CrowCross]

No

Then what do you mean by the ..beginning...as being before the earth was made.

 

[CrowCross]

You don't know then!

??????

 

[rwb]

No
It is a literal 1000 yr time frame and Satan is chained.
Doctrines may not like it, but it is a literal 1000 yr time frame.

Why was Satan bound for a thousand (not one thousand) years? Scripture tells us "that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season." So prior to being bound Satan had power to deceive the nations (Gentiles), and through being bound he lost that power he held over the nations, keeping them in fear of death and in darkness from unbelief. What broke that power? Again Scripture tells us, "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." (Heb 2:14-15)

If Satan has not been bound through the life, death and resurrection of Christ, how have/are Gentiles throughout the nations of the world been delivered, and being delivered from fear of death when they are again through belief in Christ?

The FACT that the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the world, and Gentiles are turning from fear of death and darkness in unbelief to everlasting life and faith PROVES that Christ has bound this spiritual entity named Satan. That's how Christ can assure us the church will build the Kingdom of God as the Gospel is proclaimed, for Christ says; "I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Mt 16:18)

 

[rwb]

while i do beleive David does know truth , i am afraid you are correct ON THIS .
HE is simply gonna have to speak plainly .
There are even some hidden things that have been revelead to me , t hings concerning spiritual meat .
HOWEVER in most cases , many do not even beleive the basics anymore . And i sure cannot chunk meat
as those . I truly beleive we need to do a return to the b asics . OF all things JESUS said and later the apotels taught .
NOW if we did this i can assure you and others that many would see
WHY there has become such confusion upon a lot of christendom .
FOR MANY DO NOT EVEN BLEIEVE the basics anymore . SO HOW ON Earth are they gonna hear
deeper things . You would be SO shocked to see
who and just how many will omit some of JESUS teachings , WILL even pit apostel against apostels
WILL even teach there is two plans of salvation , two gospels and etc .
You would be stunned to see how many support WOMEN preachers , ev en certain sins
EVEN adultery , and even the love of money .
YOU would be shocked to see how so very many now have chosen to follow men over and rather
THAN GOD , THAN CHRIST , THAN THE SPIRIT . they have chosen
the doctrines of men that best suited their own hearts desires . And that my friend
IS not any shoes that any one wants to be in ON JESUS DAY . NOT AT ALL . What is TRUTH .
IT aint what man says
IT bE WHAT GOD SAYS .

I do agree Amigo! Sadly, I am not shocked at all, I too see what you see and know what you speak is true.

 

[rwb]

The bible in Eze 28:15 give us a hint but not the complete story. "From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways—until wickedness was found in you."

That verse is not speaking of how Satan was once good until he wasn't. Again, the lamentation is directed to a MAN, not the spirit of evil of this world called Satan.

I have heard several explanations to that question...an answer would be based mostly upon speculation.
But, I assume you know the answer....so, what is it?

I gave you the answer, it is here: Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Why was the serpent, we've come to understand is a metaphor for Satan "more subtil than any beast of the field"? Why is this created being given to be more subtil which means to be more cunning and crafty in a bad way, than any of the beasts God created? Knowing the serpent was cunning and crafty in a bad way, why did God allow him to tempt the woman He had created without the knowledge of good or evil?

 

[rwb]

Then what do you mean by the ..beginning...as being before the earth was made.

He is assuming Satan was created before God created all things in the heavens, the earth and the sea in six days. He assumes what he cannot biblically prove.

 

[David in NJ]

while i do beleive David does know truth , i am afraid you are correct ON THIS .
HE is simply gonna have to speak plainly .
There are even some hidden things that have been revelead to me , t hings concerning spiritual meat .
HOWEVER in most cases , many do not even beleive the basics anymore . And i sure cannot chunk meat
as those . I truly beleive we need to do a return to the b asics . OF all things JESUS said and later the apotels taught .
NOW if we did this i can assure you and others that many would see
WHY there has become such confusion upon a lot of christendom .
FOR MANY DO NOT EVEN BLEIEVE the basics anymore . SO HOW ON Earth are they gonna hear
deeper things . You would be SO shocked to see
who and just how many will omit some of JESUS teachings , WILL even pit apostel against apostels
WILL even teach there is two plans of salvation , two gospels and etc .
You would be stunned to see how many support WOMEN preachers , ev en certain sins
EVEN adultery , and even the love of money .
YOU would be shocked to see how so very many now have chosen to follow men over and rather
THAN GOD , THAN CHRIST , THAN THE SPIRIT . they have chosen
the doctrines of men that best suited their own hearts desires . And that my friend
IS not any shoes that any one wants to be in ON JESUS DAY . NOT AT ALL . What is TRUTH .
IT aint what man says
IT bE WHAT GOD SAYS .

The Number 3 is Basic Bible Gospel: 1 + 1 + 1 = 3

 

[rwb]

Satan isn't bound....and we haven't reached the 1,000 year reign of Christ yet where he will be bound.

I am a Christian Gentile, an inhabitant of the nations of the world that Satan had power to deceive by keeping me in fear over death. That power Satan had held me in was broken when I was born again. Because, since I have been born again the bondage to fear of death, and power of sin has been done away through the power of Christ's life, death and resurrection.

Since Satan is spirit of this world (Eph 2:2), perhaps it would be helpful to point out that it is Satan's POWER that has been bound, because a spirit cannot be literally bound in a pit by a chain.

The fact that I and every Gentile throughout the whole world who has been delivered from the power of fear of death and darkness of sin the moment we were born again gives us blessed assurance that Christ has defeated this spiritual foe through binding his power over death and sin. If the power of Satan has not yet been bound by the life, death and resurrection of Christ, then Gentiles, like me would not be set free from bondage to fear of death by partaking of the resurrection life of Christ when I was born again. I would still be destined to the second death.

 

[WPM]

Then what do you mean by the ..beginning...as being before the earth was made.

According to the time the description was relevant. Satan was a murderer from the beginning of Creation. He had already fallen then.

 

[WPM]

He is assuming Satan was created before God created all things in the heavens, the earth and the sea in six days. He assumes what he cannot biblically prove.

Please do not talk on my behalf. You are not qualified.