What an attitude! Wow!
It is impossible to get you discussing the Word of God. Because if you did, it demolishes your Pretrib doctrine.
Who goes back with Jesus in the pre-tribulation rapture?
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It is impossible to get you discussing the Word of God. Because if you did, it demolishes your Pretrib doctrine.
Do you think you'll be able to survive the BRUTAL and PAINFUL tortue...as they say reject Jesus and it stops. Take the mark and it stops????
Perhaps you being the example of such great faith can....but how many won't?
The good news is the current christians will not have to go through it...they'll be in heaven with their raptured glorified bodies after Jesus comes back for His bride and delivers them from such wrath.
You are incapable of showing us any Scripture to support your error. That is because it is a man-made infiltration of evangelical Protestantism.
The reality is: this 2-future-comings theory was invented by Emmanuel Lacunza (or Manuel de Lacunza y Diaz), a Chilean theologian of Spanish descent (born in Santiago, Chile, July 19, 1731, and died at Imola, Italy, June 17, 1801). He became a member of the Jesuit order in 1747 at the age of 16.
Lacunza wrote this book under the assumed name of Rabbi Ben-Ezra as a "converted Jew". The book was finished in 1790, and then circulated in manuscript form before it was published at Cadiz, Spain, in 1812. This was during the time of Cortez in Spain, and after Cortez the book was suppressed, and as much as possible withdrawn from circulation. Lacunza died in June 1801, before the book was ever published in book form.
Rev. Edward Irving, a Presbyter of the Church of Scotland, who had been the assistant to Dr. Chalmers in Glasgow, translated this book of Lacunza from the Spanish in 1826, and it was published in English by L.B. Seely and Son, Fleet Street, London, in 1827.
This is the origin of Pretrib. It is not in the Bible, as your avoidance has proved. You have zero biblical stipulation evidence, only speculations and theories.
No conundrum! Just dealing with someone who is incapable of answering simple questions, showing any proof-texts or engaging in civil discussion in regard to your beliefs. That is why you are acting so childish.
Those in the innumerable number had dirty robes.
They are the 5 foolish virgins of mat 25.
They were left behind.
Several things authenticate this.
1) prior to their arrival all martyrs were kept under tge altar UNTIL THEIR NUMBER IS COMPLETE.
2) Now, the innumerable number martyrs, are in the general population, indicating the martyrs are fulfilled.
3) the ac arrives conquering. Also conquering believers.
4) it says power is given the AC to overcome the saints.
5) it says ALL not in the book recieve the mark. It says even prisoners recieve the mark....even children received it.
6) it says the saints overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives unto death.
7) they all die. All left behind die....or receive the mark.
8) the jewish harvest is mid 7yr trib and SO is the AOD.
9) That alone denies a mid 7 yr trib rapture.
10) Daniel states a 7yr trib, and midway into it, is the AOD.
11) It is not biblical for a mid 7yr trib, AOD, a Jewish harvest, and a church rapture at the same time.
12) the rapture setting is OPPOSITE from a mid trib "destroyed Earth and bloating bodies" everywhere that postribbers imagine and the bible debunks.
13) the 2 escape verses.
A) " pray that you may be counted worthy to escape the things about to come upon the Earth and stand before the son of man"...100% pretrib
B) , "because you have kept the word of my testimony. I will also keep you from the hour of trial about to come upon the entire earth."
( Jesus indicates a worthy vs unworthy selection to be in the rapture....we see this same, 'worthy vs unworthy ' , in the virgin parable)
Authenticating Jesus's very words, in Matthew 24 and Luke 17 where He vividly illustrates half are taken and half are left behind, in the analogies of Noah and in Lot.
This is only PART of the pretrib rapture model
Postrib has what?
One verse?
Mat 24?
( and its is totally against a postrib rapture)
One shaky non applicable verse? ???????
LOL. Yet more avoidance.
You cannot address the multiple holes in your Jesuit doctrine.
Where is the Pretrib rapture of the Church, followed by your 7 year tribulation, followed by a 3rd coming?
Instead of relying on name calling...
let me ask you again....maybe this time you'll answer the question.
You never did explain to us the white horse conundrum your "belief" has to deal with.
You never did explain how the "good" times of Noah and Lot is the description of the world at the end of the tribulation.
So..pleeeaaaase...go away until you have the answer.
let me ask you again....maybe this time you'll answer the question.
You never did explain to us the white horse conundrum your "belief" has to deal with.
You never did explain how the "good" times of Noah and Lot is the description of the world at the end of the tribulation.
So..pleeeaaaase...go away until you have the answer.
Ignore button.
That guy is a waste of thought.
Amil bizarre nonsense.
I can tell you they have an agenda
It is coming in here and messing with pretribbers.
What are you scared of? The truth! You guys cannot handle the truth. The Word of God is the greatest enemy of Pretrib - that is why their MO is insults and avoid and run. This is too easy!
Pretrib is dead. Their advocates have thrown in the white towel. Checkmate!
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