Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

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Very unlikely. You believe there will be time after LOF so the beast will come out of bottomless pit. That is false.

That's a strawman so yes it's false.



LOF is when Christ return where all unsaved (representing beast) will be thrown there. That is judgment day.

No, the unsaved remain dead post-second coming. Their resurrection is not until after the thousand year is over. In Rev 19 only the beast and FP are cast into the LOF. Satan and all the unsaved have to wait.





There will be no 1,000 years after this.

Wrong.


Humm...you claimed the "ten horned beast":

1.) is an empire
2.) is a man.

Are you okay?

I did not claim the ten horned beast is a man because it is a kingdom as Daniel 7 clearly teaches.
 

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That's a strawman so yes it's false.





No, the unsaved remain dead post-second coming. Their resurrection is not until after the thousand year is over. In Rev 19 only the beast and FP are cast into the LOF. Satan and all the unsaved have to wait.







Wrong.




I did not claim the ten horned beast is a man because it is a kingdom as Daniel 7 clearly teaches.
Papacy is a temporal state and is headed by a man, as we see in Papal States - Italian City-States, Papal Authority, French Revolution...
Papal States, territories of central Italy over which the pope had sovereignty from 756 to 1870. Included were the modern Italian regions of Lazio (Latium), Umbria, and Marche and part of Emilia-Romagna, though the extent of the territory, along with the degree of papal control, varied over the centuries...

From 1790 the Papal States were profoundly affected by the French Revolution and the subsequent wars of Napoleon Bonaparte. In 1791 Avignon removed itself from papal control and was annexed by France. In 1797 Napoleon’s conquest of Milan and his seizure of several papal territories was confirmed by a treaty that established the Cisalpine Republic. In 1798 the French seized the rest of the papal territories and proclaimed the Roman Republic;... (Papacy receives Wound)

The question of the pope’s relation to the Italian state was unsettled until the Lateran Treaty of 1929 set up the independent ecclesiastical state of Vatican City.(Papacy is restored)
 

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God's Word declares the coming Antichrist for the end of this world will be to mimic The MESSIAH. Where's that written, some might wonder?

By Lord Jesus Christ with His warning in Matthew 24:23-26 about a pseudo-Christ that others will claim, "Lo, Christ is here, or there", and Jesus said to BELIEVE IT NOT.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you,
"Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise
false Christs (pseudochristos), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
"Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV


The CONTEXT of all the above Scripture is about a SINGULAR false-Christ (Messiah). It is obvious Jesus was pointing to a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ in the above when some say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", and "Behold, He is in the desert", or "behold, He is in the secret chambers."


And that Greek word pseudochristos in 'green' for "false Christs", Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined to mean, "a spurious Messiah"...

NT:5580
pseudochristos
(psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:
KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Thus the pointing to some Gentile as the coming Antichrist-false-Messiah is nothing but a HOAX!


Per the 2nd century Church father Hippolytus, BEFORE the office of a pope even existed...


6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem.
(Hippolytus of Rome, from Treatise On Christ And Antichrist.)

The early Christian Church recognized from Bible Scripture that the coming Antichrist at the end will try and place himself as MESSIAH, The Christ. Lord Jesus Christ was even emphatic that is what the Antichrist at the end of this world will do.

How then can a GENTILE ever pass himself off as The MESSIAH which refers ONLY to Jesus Christ Who was born of the tribe of Judah of the house of David? They are indirectly claiming that MESSIAH can be a Gentile by saying the Antichrist will be a Gentile. The devout Christian should well know... they are telling a LIE.
 

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Where is it written in God's Word that the Antichrist at the end of this world will "raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem" like 2nd century Church father Hippolytus said in his Treatise On Christ And Antichrist?

Zech 6:12-13
12 And speak unto him, saying, "Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying,
Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
KJV


Jesus Christ is The BRANCH.

Jesus Christ, when He returns, He is to build that "temple of the LORD", i.e. the Millennial temple documented in the Ezekiel 40 thru 47 chapters.

Hippolytus showed the Antichrist at the end will come to try and mimic Jesus Christ, The MESSIAH of The Bible, and even will mimic the building of the temple in Jerusalem!

Lord Jesus Himself warned us about this in Matthew 24:23-26 for the end of this world. Apostle Paul also hinted at this warning in 2 Corinthians 11 when he said he was afraid some of the brethren might fall away to the "another Jesus". Revelation 13:11 forward about the coming "another beast" appearing AS a lamb (Jesus), but will speak as a "dragon" (Satan), was another hint about the Antichrist coming to play MESSIAH.

So HOW... can the Antichrist at the end, coming to mimic MESSIAH Jesus Christ, ever be about a GENTILE? That is impossible, and my Christian brethren should realize that easily, and know the pointing away... from the MESSIAH requirement that he come from the tribe of Judah, and of the house of David, i.e., the JEWS, that passing that off as some GENTILE is just a doctrine of the devil and his children to get you away... from understanding Christ's warning about the end of the coming false one to Jerusalem to play Him.
 

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By Lord Jesus Christ with His warning in Matthew 24:23-26 about a pseudo-Christ that others will claim, "Lo, Christ is here, or there", and Jesus said to BELIEVE IT NOT.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you,
"Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise
false Christs (pseudochristos), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
"Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV


The CONTEXT of all the above Scripture is about a SINGULAR false-Christ (Messiah). It is obvious Jesus was pointing to a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ in the above when some say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", and "Behold, He is in the desert", or "behold, He is in the secret chambers."

No. Not quite accurate.

The secret chambers refer to that concealed. It is the same Greek word that is translated "closet" elsewhere. It depicts a concealed room where one would store things out of sight, such as clothes, tools, goods or provisions. Not unlike the pantry or closet you or I might have today that conceals our possessions. In this context it is just illustrating where Christ might be concealed from sight. For example, typically as the word is used in Matthew 6:6:

Matthew 6:6
  • "But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret, and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
That word translated "closet" is the exact same word that is translated "secret chamber" in Matthew 24:26, because it signifies where you might go to be concealed or not seen (a secret place). Therefore, when the Lord speaks of Christ charged with being in secret chambers, He is talking about false Christians claiming that Christ is there with them, but He is hidden so YOU don't see Him there with them! It is Christ's usual cryptic language illustrating this time of tribulation where for the "faithful" saints, Christ is hard to find in the world, because many churches are falling spiritually!

Matthew 24:26
  • "Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."
In other words, "if you don't see Him, don't go there expecting Him" because someone claim He's there in their church. Christ is not hidden. The context of this passage is of a time where the faithful Christians are hated for their strict views, persecuted and reviled as legalistic, and the Church has become apostatized where false Christs and prophets abound. Here is when people are telling them that Christ is here and there among them, even though they can't or don't see Him. Then don't go forth. Much like today where people will tell you that the Churches are filled with the Holy Spirit, have wonderful pastor, have great choir, etc. and though the Word is not faithfully kept there, Christ is there concealed because that's His Church. Christ is saying, don't believe it.

Matthew 24:23-25
  • "Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
  • For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
  • Behold, I have told you before."
Like you, most people think Matthew 24:26 is telling them that there will be a time when a bunch of people will claim to actually be Christ and deceive many. Many false Christs doesn't mean many people claiming to actually be Christ. That "should be" ridiculous to serious Christians, because some lunatics claiming that they are Christ are not going to deceive many. At best a few gullible folk. But Christ is speaking of a much more dastardly, insidious and effective deception. A time when false Christians full of deceit and transforming themselves so that people would "believe" that they were the apostles of Christ (2Co 11:13-15), tell them theirs "is indeed" Christ's Church. His body. They believe that Christ is among them, even though "you" clearly cannot see Him. Well, Christ is warning us in cryptic language, if they claim he is in the desert, we are not to believe them. Why desert. Think about it. For the desert is a dry and thirsty ground without water. Without Gospel water!! If they claim he is in the secret chambers or (in other words) is concealed among them, believe it not! For if Christ is hidden, He is hidden to them that believe not. Christ is saying if you don't see Him there, He isn't there, for Christ is not hidden to you. If you see lawlessness, that's what's there! If you see abomination stand in the Holy Place where Christ should stand, then flee to the Mountain Retreat-- which is the Kingdom Refuge found only in God's holy Spiritual mountain. May it be your home, McDonald's, coffee place where you cannot find or see church nearby that teaches the truth anymore. His people are secured in that refuge, while the unfaithful will remain in spiritual fornication claiming, He is there out of sight. And Christ continues in this context:

Matthew 24:27-29
  • "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
  • For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
  • Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:"
Lightning is often a synonym for God's judgment. And it's not the literal sun going dark, nor the Moon darkened or turning to blood, nor are physical stars falling to this earth (as if they could, and be a SIGN), but SPIRITUALLY God's light (Gospel for the purpose of salvation) has gone out or ceased, and the blood of the prophets is required. The restraint of iniquity has been taken out of the way where it (Matthew 24:12) abounds. Why would some listen to those claiming Christ is still within their DEAD church?! It is BECAUSE they are deceived, being unfaithful and unrepentant. They call themselves the body of Christ, they have a name that lives, but they are spiritually dead. Dead church as a carcase! Bottom line, Christ is not hidden, so that if you don't see Him, don't believe those who claim that He is still quietly among them winking at their sins. For where you find the carcase (dead body) is where you will find God's judgment of eagles gathered together unto these Kings of the earth.

Revelation 19:17-19
  • "And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
  • That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
  • And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."
That speaks of God's judgment upon the dead body, the fallen great city, that great Harlot that shall rise no more. Not about physical birds gathering together to literally eating the bodies of the unfaithful people. No! Christ is the Ultimate Eagle, and we are eagles in Christ! We, as eagles, who have fled from unfaithful church and prophesy JUDGMENT upon the unfaithful church. Saying Christ is not there anymore, so that when people claim He is, and you don't see Him, believe it not! For the time has come when he who retrain, has been taken out of the midst (2nd Thessalonians 2:7).

Selah!
 

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God's Word declares the coming Antichrist for the end of this world will be to mimic The MESSIAH. Where's that written, some might wonder?

By Lord Jesus Christ with His warning in Matthew 24:23-26 about a pseudo-Christ that others will claim, "Lo, Christ is here, or there", and Jesus said to BELIEVE IT NOT.

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you,
"Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise
false Christs (pseudochristos), and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you,
"Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV


The CONTEXT of all the above Scripture is about a SINGULAR false-Christ (Messiah). It is obvious Jesus was pointing to a SINGULAR pseudo-Christ in the above when some say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there", and "Behold, He is in the desert", or "behold, He is in the secret chambers."


And that Greek word pseudochristos in 'green' for "false Christs", Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined to mean, "a spurious Messiah"...

NT:5580
pseudochristos
(psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:
KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Thus the pointing to some Gentile as the coming Antichrist-false-Messiah is nothing but a HOAX!


Per the 2nd century Church father Hippolytus, BEFORE the office of a pope even existed...


6. Now, as our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also God, was prophesied of under the figure of a lion, on account of His royalty and glory, in the same way have the Scriptures also aforetime spoken of Antichrist as a lion, on account of his tyranny and violence. For the deceiver seeks to liken himself in all things to the Son of God. Christ is a lion, so Antichrist is also a lion; Christ is a king, so Antichrist is also a king. The Saviour was manifested as a lamb; so he too, in like manner, will appear as a lamb, though within he is a wolf. The Saviour came into the World in the circumcision, and he will come in the same manner. The Lord sent apostles among all the nations, and he in like manner will send false apostles. The Saviour gathered together the sheep that were scattered abroad, and he in like manner will bring together a people that is scattered abroad. The Lord gave a seal to those who believed on Him, and he will give one like manner. The Saviour appeared in the form of man, and he too will come in the form of a man. The Saviour raised up and showed His holy flesh like a temple, and he will raise a temple of stone in Jerusalem.
(Hippolytus of Rome, from Treatise On Christ And Antichrist.)

The early Christian Church recognized from Bible Scripture that the coming Antichrist at the end will try and place himself as MESSIAH, The Christ. Lord Jesus Christ was even emphatic that is what the Antichrist at the end of this world will do.

How then can a GENTILE ever pass himself off as The MESSIAH which refers ONLY to Jesus Christ Who was born of the tribe of Judah of the house of David? They are indirectly claiming that MESSIAH can be a Gentile by saying the Antichrist will be a Gentile. The devout Christian should well know... they are telling a LIE.
“The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God.”
Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary

“All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.”
On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17

“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.”
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, “Cities Petrus Bertanous”.”…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.”
Lucius Ferraris, in “Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica”, Volume V, article on “Papa, Article II”, titled “Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility”, #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

“The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth…by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth.” Quoted in the New York Catechism.

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: “To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical.”Father A. Pereira says: “It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title ‘Lord God the Pope,’ for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII.”

Writers on the Canon Law say, “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth.”
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. – Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.

Pope Nicholas I declared: “the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man.”
Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.

“The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man …. he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power.” Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, ‘Papa II’, pp.25-29

“The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires… complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself.”
Leo VIII, «On the Chief Duties of Christians as Citizens», Encyclical letter, 1890

“God separates those whom the Roman Pontiff, who exercises the functions, not of mere man, but of the true God…dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority.”
Decretals of Gregory IX», Book 1, Chapter 7.3

“Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum).”
Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, ‘Papa II’, p.26)

“Innocent III has written: “Indeed, it is not to much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods.”
The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36

“The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh.”
Catholic National July 1895

“We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty”
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894....
 

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“The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God.”
Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary

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Nothing but FALSE claims above which go against the written Word of God about the coming false one.


God's Word reveals that it will be Lucifer himself coming to earth (in our earthly dimension) to play the "another Jesus"...

2 Cor 11:2-4
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth
another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:14-15
14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Rev 13:4-9
4 And
they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Rev 12:9
9 And
the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

Rev 13:11-14
11 And
I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 T
he beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
 

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Nothing but FALSE claims above which go against the written Word of God about the coming false one.


God's Word reveals that it will be Lucifer himself coming to earth (in our earthly dimension) to play the "another Jesus"...
They are claims identifying an antichrist.

Of which there were already many when John wrote. 1 John 2:18

And none of them was, or will be, Lucifer.
 

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Nothing but FALSE claims above which go against the written Word of God about the coming false one.


God's Word reveals that it will be Lucifer himself coming to earth (in our earthly dimension) to play the "another Jesus"...

2 Cor 11:2-4
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means,
as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth
another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV

2 Cor 11:14-15
14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
KJV

Rev 13:4-9
4 And
they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?"
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
KJV

Rev 12:9
9 And
the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
KJV

Rev 13:11-14
11 And
I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
KJV

Rev 17:8
8 T
he beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV
And yet the antichrist entity displays its blasphemy with great show and arrogance as you can plainly see...

“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,” (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—“The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.”
Ignaz von Dollinger, “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich” 1871; as quoted in MacDougall,

“The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: ‘I am the door of the sheep.’ Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth.”
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).

“This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God’s commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate.”
(Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, page 653).

“Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors.”
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

“We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world.”
A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, “The Most Holy Councils,” col. 1167.

“But as for you and your companions, you certainly sin, if, having heard the decrees of the Apostolic See, and of the universal Church, and the same is confirmed by Holy Writ, you refuse to follow them; for, though your fathers were holy, do you think that their small number, in a corner of the remotest island, is to be preferred before the universal Church of Christ throughout the world? And if that Columba of yours (and, I may say, ours also, if he was Christ’s servant), was a holy man and powerful in miracles, yet could he be preferred before the most blessed prince of the Apostles to whom Our Lord said ‘Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and to thee I will give the keys of the kingdom of heaven’?” When Wilfrid had spoken thus, the king said, “Is it true Colman, that these words were spoken to Peter by Our Lord?” He answered, “It is true, O king!” Then says he, “Can you show any such power given to your Columba?” Colman answered, “None.” Then added the king, “Do you both agree that these words were principally directed to Peter, and that the keys of heaven were given to him by Our Lord?” They both answered. “We do.” Then the king concluded, “And I also say unto you, that he is the door-keeper, whom I will not contradict, but will, as far as I know and am able, in all things obey his decrees, lest, when I come to the gates of the kingdom of heaven, there should be none to open them, he being my adversary who is proved to have the keys.”
(St. Bede, Ecclesiastical History of the English Nation, quoted in Readings from Church History, Volume I, edited by Fr. Colman Barry, O.S.B., The Newman Press, Westminster, MD, 1966, p. 273.)
 

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And yet the antichrist entity displays its blasphemy with great show and arrogance as you can plainly see...
The only things you "plainly see" are men's doctrines that you have succumbed to. God's Word is the Measure, not men's doctrines.
 

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They are claims identifying an antichrist.

Of which there were already many when John wrote. 1 John 2:18

And none of them was, or will be, Lucifer.
The 1 John 2:18 verse is about both a SINGULAR "antichrist" that John said the brethren had already heard shall come, and that same verse has another phrase at the end of it which is PLURAL about "many antichrists".

But you apparently are confusing those two separate ideas John used for the word "antichrist".

God's Word (those Scriptures I quoted which NO ONE HERE has even bothered to read) points the identity of the coming false one at the end of this world directly to Lucifer, the devil, Satan, the "dragon", the "another beast".

Those who just bypass those Bible Scriptures and push men's doctrines about a pope, or any other flesh man being the coming Antichrist, show they are more interested in what man says, instead of what God's Word says.
 

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Brethren in Christ...

If you are stuck in men's doctrines about the identity of the coming Antichrist for the end of this world, then the following verse applies to 'you'...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and
they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

If you are a servant of Lord Jesus Christ, then you ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW the identity of that coming "beast", and NOT be among those deceived that "... shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

And Lord Jesus made understanding the above verse EASY... because what flesh man ever ascends out of the bottomless pit??? Every Christian should know the simple answer to that! That is ONLY about an ANGEL that does that! And the particular angel it is pointing to is SATAN himself when he comes as the Antichrist, appearing on earth working those miracles as the pseudo-Christ.

So WHO would want to deceive you about that simple Bible Scripture? The false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that Lord Jesus warned us about! That's who. The doctrine of men that a pope is the Antichrist for the end is from them! The old Protestant Reformers of the 16th century thought it was a pope, but their idea NEVER PANNED OUT, WAS NOT TRUE, simply because Bible prophecy shows JESUS is to return in the generation that will see the Antichrist!

Those who act like this is all wrong aren't staying with the Bible prophecy. They instead are spiritually drunken on that old Reformer doctrine about a pope of the 16th century that never came true! They 'know' it didn't come true back then too! so what does that reveal? Think for yourself brethren, don't just believe what they say, hook-line-and-sinker.
 

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The old Protestant Reformers of the 16th century thought it was a pope, but their idea NEVER PANNED OUT, WAS NOT TRUE, simply because Bible prophecy shows JESUS is to return in the generation that will see the Antichrist!
It is correct that the parable of the fig tree generation will not pass way before the Antichrist comes and is destroyed at Jesus's Second Coming.

But Davy, I think you also think that the Antichrist will be Satan himself ? If so, that is not correct because the Antichrist who becomes the beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming. While, differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, before later joining the beast-king and the false prophet in the lake of fire.
 

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The 1 John 2:18 verse is about both a SINGULAR "antichrist" that John said the brethren had already heard shall come, and that same verse has another phrase at the end of it which is PLURAL about "many antichrists".

But you apparently are confusing those two separate ideas John used for the word "antichrist".

God's Word (those Scriptures I quoted which NO ONE HERE has even bothered to read) points the identity of the coming false one at the end of this world directly to Lucifer, the devil, Satan, the "dragon", the "another beast".

Those who just bypass those Bible Scriptures and push men's doctrines about a pope, or any other flesh man being the coming Antichrist, show they are more interested in what man says, instead of what God's Word says.
1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

When did or will Lucifer/devil/Satan/dragon/beast ever deny that Jesus is the Christ, thereby denying both Father and Son?

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

When did or will Lucifer/devil/Satan/dragon/beast ever deny that Jesus had come in the flesh?

Hint: Matthew 28:28-29
Satan's demons acknowledge Christ.

Are you pushing your own dogmas "instead of what God's Word says"?
 
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Brethren in Christ...

If you are stuck in men's doctrines about the identity of the coming Antichrist for the end of this world, then the following verse applies to 'you'...

Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and
they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
KJV

If you are a servant of Lord Jesus Christ, then you ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW the identity of that coming "beast", and NOT be among those deceived that "... shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is."

And Lord Jesus made understanding the above verse EASY... because what flesh man ever ascends out of the bottomless pit??? Every Christian should know the simple answer to that! That is ONLY about an ANGEL that does that! And the particular angel it is pointing to is SATAN himself when he comes as the Antichrist, appearing on earth working those miracles as the pseudo-Christ.

So WHO would want to deceive you about that simple Bible Scripture? The false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that Lord Jesus warned us about! That's who. The doctrine of men that a pope is the Antichrist for the end is from them! The old Protestant Reformers of the 16th century thought it was a pope, but their idea NEVER PANNED OUT, WAS NOT TRUE, simply because Bible prophecy shows JESUS is to return in the generation that will see the Antichrist!

Those who act like this is all wrong aren't staying with the Bible prophecy. They instead are spiritually drunken on that old Reformer doctrine about a pope of the 16th century that never came true! They 'know' it didn't come true back then too! so what does that reveal? Think for yourself brethren, don't just believe what they say, hook-line-and-sinker.
What/whom to believe?

1. Davy's dogmas.
2. The Reformers whom God called, and endowed with prophetic wisdom and discernment, to liberate His True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

Who needs a hint? :laughing:
 

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It is correct that the parable of the fig tree generation will not pass way before the Antichrist comes and is destroyed at Jesus's Second Coming.


No, it is actually a teaching about how all trees react to Summer, they blossom and grow. It is not only about a fig tree.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse
 

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Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)​

The one who uses violence (force) as a solution, identifies the truth of himself.
 

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No, it is actually a teaching about how all trees react to Summer, they blossom and grow. It is not only about a fig tree.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse
The fig tree represents Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

"All the trees" represent the Gog/Magog nations of Ezekiel 38-39, notably Russia and Iran (Persia). The Gog/Magog event precedes the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9-10, which corresponds to the 70th week of Daniel 9:27. Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.
 

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But Davy, I think you also think that the Antichrist will be Satan himself ? If so, that is not correct because the Antichrist who becomes the beast-king will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's Second Coming. While, differently, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit prison for a thousand years, before later joining the beast-king and the false prophet in the lake of fire.
Ah... you haven't studied the relevant Scriptures thoroughly.

The beast-king is a ROLE that Satan will play, like in a stage play. The ROLE is not Satan himself.

Rev 19:20
20 And
the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
KJV


What's that "beast" above?
Also, what's that "false prophet" that wrought the miracles?

Since there are TWO different 'beast' types described in Rev.13, a beast kingdom and a beast-person, deciphering the above should be easy. The "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward is who works those 'miracles', so that must be this "false prophet" here. That leaves that other 'beast' of Rev.13:1 being the beast-kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns. Therefore...

"the beast" = Rev.13:1 beast kingdom and goes into the "lake of fire" at Christ's return per Rev.19:20.

"the false prophet" ROLE = a ROLE that Satan will play as the Antichrist-false-Messiah, working the miracles of the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward, which is linked to the same false one that Jesus and Apostle Paul warned us about for the very end of this world. That "false prophet" (or "another beast", a 2nd beast) ROLE also will be cast into the "lake of fire" at Christ's return.

Another Biblical factor, NO FLESH-BORN MAN has been judged and sentenced to perish in that "lake of fire", only Satan and his angels have. Flesh man is not judged and sentenced to perish until God's Great White Throne Judgment at the end... of Christ's future "thousand years" reign, as written in Rev.20. This means, it is NOT Biblical to try and assign any flesh-man to that "false prophet" or "another beast" ROLE that will go into the "lake of fire" PRIOR to God's GWT Judgment. Who is left then to fulfill that ROLE? Satan himself. And that is who God's Word is pointing to with the idea of the "beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit"!

Rev 11:7
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
KJV
 
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1 John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

When did or will Lucifer/devil/Satan/dragon/beast ever deny that Jesus is the Christ, thereby denying both Father and Son?

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

When did or will Lucifer/devil/Satan/dragon/beast ever deny that Jesus had come in the flesh?

Hint: Matthew 28:28-29
Satan's demons acknowledge Christ.

Are you pushing your own dogmas "instead of what God's Word says"?

Can't find the material you want, so now you just make up ideas as if it is written in God's Word, when it is NOT! You are such a deceiver, and show you don't really respect The Word of God. And because I declare... God's Word as written, you MOCK His Word when you instead ignorantly think you are mocking me!


1 John 2:22 and 2 John 1:7 are about those who DENY that Jesus of Nazareth is GOD come in the flesh, born through a virgin like the Isaiah 7 prophecy said!

1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but
he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV


The subject above is those who DENY that Jesus of Nazareth is THE CHRIST. Those are 'antichrists' that deny that Jesus of Nazareth is GOD The Son, The CHRIST.

That Title of THE CHRIST is a Heavenly Title pointing to GOD The Son, co-equal with GOD The Father like in Phil.2:5-6 and Hebrews 1:3, and even Isaiah 9:6 as "The mighty God", and "The everlasting Father".

1 John 4:3
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And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV


That 1 John 4:3 verse is also... what that topic is about, those who DENY that Jesus of Nazareth is THE CHRIST, GOD come in the flesh. Even Jesus' Title of "Immanuel" from the Book of Isaiah means "God with us" per Matthew 1:23!

So with you TRYING to apply those 1 John 2 and 2 John 1 Scriptures to me, you are trying to say that I deny that Jesus of Nazareth is THE CHRIST, GOD come in the flesh. I DO NOT... DENY THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH IS THE CHRIST, NOR DO I DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD. JESUS IS... GOD COME IN THE FLESH! Born of a virgin just like the Isaiah prophecy said! So you trying to apply that 'antichrist' term to me is an INSULT will not take lightly.

YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED!