Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[Davy]

Are you pushing your own dogmas "instead of what God's Word says"?

What I am showing is Bible Scripture AS WRITTEN.

So why... are you against what God's Word says? Even with your display of trying to push the antichrist idea upon me in your post shows you don't have a clue as to what those 1 John 2 and 2 John 7 Scriptures are about!

Your Biblical IGNORANCE is astounding!

 

[Davy]

What/whom to believe?

1. Davy's dogmas.
2. The Reformers whom God called, and endowed with prophetic wisdom and discernment, to liberate His True Church from spiritual darkness and oppression.

Who needs a hint?

You obviously need to quit pushing that false dogma from men's doctrines about a pope as the antichrist which idea died out centuries ago!

The Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem ARE NOT GOING TO BOW TO ANY POPE THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY. The Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus Christ is their MESSIAH. Because you and those who keep trying to push the old Reformer's doctrines about a pope still don't realize that, it means yal's minds are still dwelling in the DARK AGES!

 

[Davy]

No, it is actually a teaching about how all trees react to Summer, they blossom and grow. It is not only about a fig tree.

Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Clearly this has nothing to do with 1948 or 1967 or Israel. He is speaking of all trees, when they shoot forth then summer is near which is the kingdom of God ie: the second coming. What he is saying is there are signs that people will see that will tell them when Great Tribulation and the second coming are near. It has nothing at all to do with Israel, not in 1948, 1967 or any year. It's not about only the fig tree. It's about how all trees behave when spring begins. They begin to come back to life and start growing and sprouting! It's a wonderful time of year! We are currently in the winter prophetically. We are looking for the signs of sprouting which is progression but progression of end times events. We need to be looking for the Revelation 13 events of two beasts and those global changes. Many of the "sprouting signs" are also found in the Olivet Discourse

You cannot limit God's Word just because you want to justify an idea based on just one area of Bible Scripture. God often does not reveal all parameters of a prophecy in just one Book of The Bible.

Per the Jeremiah 24 prophecy, the basket of good edible figs represents Judah, and is about God's promise to return Judah back to the holy land, and not remove them anymore. The last great scattering of Judah was in 70 A.D. by the Romans when they destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple.

Jesus cursed the fig tree to represent that in Jerusalem and among the blinded Jews there, it was not yet time for His Kingdom to come there. Thus the fig tree parable certainly involves the Jews and Jerusalem.

 

[Davy]

The Gog/Magog event precedes the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9-10, which corresponds to the 70th week of Daniel 9:27. Jesus Himself speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

Bible Scripture does not agree with that idea that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens prior to the time of "great tribulation".

It does not, but God's Word shows that Gog/Magog event is actually about the Armageddon event on the very last day of this world, on the 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial, which is the "day of the Lord", and the day of Christ's future return. Zechariah 14 also declares that future 'battle' on the coming "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns.

Thus the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE 70TH WEEK.

 

[Davy]

Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)​

The one who uses violence (force) as a solution, identifies the truth of himself.

Without going 'outside' The Bible Scripture, the Antichrist can only be about Satan, the head of all... rebellion since his original rebellion was in wanting to be GOD.

The 1 John 2:18 verse points to both a 'singular' "antichrist" object, and to a plural "many antichrists" object. John said the brethren then had already heard that "antichrist" shall come, and that means a singular false one. Then John said that already there were "many antichrists" at work. The faithful Bible student learns about the "many antichrists" with Old Testament Book study about the "workers of iniquity". That is the same subject Apostle Paul pointed to in 2 Thess.2 about the "mystery of iniquity". It's a Biblical subject that Christ's elect are to understand.

The "many antichrists" represent those on earth that serve Satan, his elect, just like Christ has an elect, so does Satan. This was first revealed in the Genesis 3:15 verse, and Jesus revealed it again in the Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 Scripture about the "synagogue of Satan".

 

[Jay Ross]

Bible Scripture does not agree with that idea that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens prior to the time of "great tribulation".

It does not, but God's Word shows that Gog/Magog event is actually about the Armageddon event on the very last day of this world, on the 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial, which is the "day of the Lord", and the day of Christ's future return. Zechariah 14 also declares that future 'battle' on the coming "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns.

Thus the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE 70TH WEEK.

All this arguing is because people have accepted many false interpretations about the end times.

My understanding is that we have already seen the fulfilment of the Seventh Bowl Judgement. Our recent history does confirm this.

My understanding is that the Sixth Bowl Judgement is playing out before us at this present time and that the 9/11 event was the sign of the three frog like spirits doing signs and wonders for the whole world to see. At present we are seeing the gathering of the Kings of the earth to assemble at Armageddon in around 20 years' time to be judged for their part in the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His earthly hosts. Joel 3 tells us what God intends to do and when He intends to these things: -

Joel 3:1-3: - God Judges the Nations
3:1 "For behold, in those days and at that time,
When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations,
And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat;
And I will enter into judgment with them there
On account of My people, My heritage Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
They have also divided up My land/country.
3 They have cast lots for My people,
Have given a boy as payment for a harlot,
And sold a girl for wine, that they may drink.

It is God's intention to redeem/bring back Judah and Jerusalem and at the same time He will gather the kings of the earth at Armageddon, i.e., in the Valley of Jehoshaphat to judge them.

Joel 3:1-3 has been playing out since 19948 and Jesus told us that when the fig tree begins to bud once more that the Summer Season of Harvest will begin and that He, Jesus would be at the door and knocking at the hearts of the Israelites all over the earth, where they have been scattered to be a Blessing to all of the Peoples of the earth who will embedded their roots in His fertile Field.

Yes, the Gog Magog battles will occur after Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet are released after 1,000 years of imprisonment during the Little While Period just before they are captured once more and dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

Davy, you have placed the Armageddon Judgement of Satan, the Beasts and the Little Horn/False Prophet after the Gog Magog battles have occurred which demonstrates that your timeline of the End Time Events is filled with great errors, which shows that you need to go back to the scriptures and study them a lot more to clarify what God has said will happen.

Shalom

 

[PGS11]

The Antichrist is depicted as a political figure with a false prophet at his side.The most the pope could be is the false prophet.If it is the Pope he will be outed the moment he tries to change the faith and morals of the church his job is to hold the faith not change it. The LDS already has the Prophet who speaks to and for God and they have expanded out the theology with lots of extra stuff why not look at them also The Prophet of the LDS church hold way more power then the Pope .John is the last Prophet of the Catholic Church no more are expected or needed. It could be any religious leader that becomes the False Prophet.Its one of the signs of the Antichrist - the false Prophet I would put money on one of these TV evangelist who can reach the world through the TV and social media which is how I think it would happen.

He will show up when every nation is hurting on the earth and will claim to have the answers to everything I would say were almost there.

 

[covenantee]

You obviously need to quit pushing that false dogma from men's doctrines about a pope as the antichrist which idea died out centuries ago!

The Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem ARE NOT GOING TO BOW TO ANY POPE THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY. The Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus Christ is their MESSIAH. Because you and those who keep trying to push the old Reformer's doctrines about a pope still don't realize that, it means yal's minds are still dwelling in the DARK AGES!

The Church is permeated with deluded closet Jesuits intent on resurrecting and perpetuating the Dark Ages from which the Reformation brought deliverance, by God's grace and mercy.

Their refusal to understand history condemns them to repeat its lessons.

 

[covenantee]

So with you TRYING to apply those 1 John 2 and 2 John 1 Scriptures to me, you are trying to say that I deny that Jesus of Nazareth is THE CHRIST, GOD come in the flesh. I DO NOT... DENY THAT JESUS OF NAZARETH IS THE CHRIST, NOR DO I DENY THAT JESUS IS GOD. JESUS IS... GOD COME IN THE FLESH! Born of a virgin just like the Isaiah prophecy said! So you trying to apply that 'antichrist' term to me is an INSULT will not take lightly.

YOU HAVE BEEN REPORTED!

It's more than obvious that I apply those Scriptures to Lucifer/devil/Satan/dragon/beast (your terminology).

If you think that they apply to you, I won't try to stop you from thinking that.

 

[ewq1938]

The fig tree represents Jerusalem back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

Nope. The parable is not about any certain type of tree or tree. It's comparing the signs of the second coming to how trees blossom in the Spring. It has nothing in the slightest about Israel at all.

 

[ewq1938]

The Antichrist is depicted as a political figure with a false prophet at his side.

The AC never has a sidekick in scripture. The AC is the false prophet, not someone else. Neither Paul or Daniel or Jesus or John ever wrote about the AC and some other guy helping him. The ten horned beast is a kingdom in Rev 13, matching what Daniel said the ten horned beast is....a kingdom.

 

[covenantee]

You obviously need to quit pushing that false dogma from men's doctrines about a pope as the antichrist which idea died out centuries ago!

The Orthodox Jews in today's Jerusalem ARE NOT GOING TO BOW TO ANY POPE THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY. The Orthodox Jews don't believe that Jesus Christ is their MESSIAH. Because you and those who keep trying to push the old Reformer's doctrines about a pope still don't realize that, it means yal's minds are still dwelling in the DARK AGES!

Whom to believe?

1. You
2. A tiny sampling of acclaimed brethren of immeasurably greater wisdom and discernment than yours

Look and learn.

 

[Douggg]

Bible Scripture does not agree with that idea that the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens prior to the time of "great tribulation".

It does not, but God's Word shows that Gog/Magog event is actually about the Armageddon event on the very last day of this world, on the 7th Trumpet, and 7th Vial, which is the "day of the Lord", and the day of Christ's future return. Zechariah 14 also declares that future 'battle' on the coming "day of the Lord" when Jesus returns.

Thus the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39 happens IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE 70TH WEEK.

Do a verses breakdown of Ezekiel 39, going through the text, like I did below....

Ezekiel 39 breakdown:

In Ezekiel 39, the destruction of Gog's army verses 1-6
In Ezekiel 39, then followed by 7 years verses 9-10 (the 70th week )
In Ezekiel 39, then the Armageddon event verses 17-20
In Ezekiel 39, then Jesus's return to this earth verses 21-29, His Second Coming

 

[Douggg]

Nope. The parable is not about any certain type of tree or tree. It's comparing the signs of the second coming to how trees blossom in the Spring. It has nothing in the slightest about Israel at all.

The parable of the fig tree identifies what generation will not pass away before Jesus returns.

 

[ewq1938]

The parable of the fig tree identifies what generation will not pass away before Jesus returns.

It's the parable of all trees, and of course the generation won't pass away before the Return because they see the signs of that Coming. Those signs didn't start in 1948 or 1967 because they are not Israel specific and have nothing at all to do with Israel being a country again, or winning a war.

 

[Douggg]

It's the parable of all trees, and of course the generation won't pass away before the Return because they see the signs of that Coming. Those signs didn't start in 1948 or 1967 because they are not Israel specific and have nothing at all to do with Israel being a country again, or winning a war.

Jerusalem is the fig tree. The parable of exclusively the fig tree is in Matthew 24:32-35. Go ahead and read it.

Jesus does not speak about other trees when he was speaking to his disciples alone. Matthew 24 and Mark 13 took place while Jesus and the disciples were on the Mt. of Olives. Differently, Luke 21 took place within the temple complex, and included others present to listen.

The reason Jerusalem is the fig tree is because Jesus, knowing that generation of Jerusalem would reject Him as their King of Israel messiah, cursed a fig tree beside the road.

Matthew 21:18 Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

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Your interpretation of the parable of fig tree does not identify any specific generation, nor any specific group. It might as well been a parable about the grass, the way you are interpenetrating the parable

 

[ewq1938]

Jerusalem is the fig tree. The parable of exclusively the fig tree is in Matthew 24:32-35. Go ahead and read it.

It doesn't mention all other trees but we know from Luke that Christ did not specify any one type of tree or any specific individual tree. Therefore, the prophecy IS NOT about Israel at all.

 

[Douggg]

It doesn't mention all other trees but we know from Luke that Christ did not specify any one type of tree or any specific individual tree.

From Matthew 24 and Mark 13, we know that Christ specified one specific tree, the fig tree, when he was alone with his disciples.

I don't know what your thinking, but Jesus is giving wonderful words of encouragement for those who believe in Him in Luke 21:28. Redemption of our bodies into everlasting incorruptible bodies. It is going to happen soon, before the parable of the fig tree passes away,

Luke 21:
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

 

[ewq1938]

From Matthew 24 and Mark 13, we know that Christ specified one specific tree, the fig tree, when he was alone with his disciples.

Not all the gospels contain the same info about the same exact timeframe and teaching. Luke tells us Christ actually was speaking about all trees not just fig trees or just one of the many fig trees. Again, this was never about Israel. The fact that ppl have moved from 1948 to 1967 proves they are wrong. They were wrong about 1948 so they jumped to the next date they could find which is also wrong. Nothing there is about how many years a generation is. It's about the people alive when signs begin to be shown and seen. Those people will see the second coming.

 

[Douggg]

It's about the people alive when signs begin to be shown and seen. Those people will see the second coming.

There would be no sense of the parable if that were the case.

The parable of the fig tree is about a specific generation of a specific group of people. The specific group of people are the Jews. And the generation of 70 years, means Gog/Magog will take place before the end of 2030. The Jews are going to rebuild a temple on the temple mount which the end times events will be centered on what takes place there.