Who is the AntiChrist? (Identifying Him)

[Davy]

All human speculation.

Not at all, it's just keeping to the actual Bible Scripture... as written:

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Verse 10 -- "seven kings" TOTAL...
"five are fallen" = five beast kings already past history
"and one is" = the 6th beast king DURING Apostle John's day!
"the other is not yet come" = the 7th beast king, still not yet come today, and will be the coming Antichrist for the end of this present world!

Verse 11 -- "the eighth" beast king.
...has to be for the future after... Christ's return, because the 7th beast king is the Antichrist for the end of this present world.

Try to stay with what is actually... written in that Bible Scripture.

 

[Timtofly]

Not at all, it's just keeping to the actual Bible Scripture... as written:

Rev 17:10-11
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
KJV

Verse 10 -- "seven kings" TOTAL...
"five are fallen" = five beast kings already past history
"and one is" = the 6th beast king DURING Apostle John's day!
"the other is not yet come" = the 7th beast king, still not yet come today, and will be the coming Antichrist for the end of this present world!

Verse 11 -- "the eighth" beast king.
...has to be for the future after... Christ's return, because the 7th beast king is the Antichrist for the end of this present world.

Try to stay with what is actually... written in that Bible Scripture.

You left out the verse saying Kingdoms not kings.

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

The mountains are kingdoms not individuals.

"And there are seven kings"

That is still the mountains. It says nothing about beasts.

The 7th head is Satan. Satan is the 8th king, a beast, because Satan is not a human.

 

[The Light]

You left out the verse saying Kingdoms not kings.

"And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth."

The mountains are kingdoms not individuals.

"And there are seven kings"

That is still the mountains. It says nothing about beasts.

The 7th head is Satan. Satan is the 8th king, a beast, because Satan is not a human.

The seventh king is the Antichrist. The eighth king is Nimrod who is of the seven. He is the King of Babylon and the Assyrian just as history tells us. Here is the warning to the Jews about the one in the secret chamber that was and is not and will come again. He had the deadly wound of the sword.

Matthew 24
25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

He is also Baal.

 

[ewq1938]

The seventh king is the Antichrist. The eighth king is Nimrod who is of the seven.

Nimrod is dead. There is no prophecy about him returning. Theer also is no king past or above the antichrist (false prophet) in Rev.

 

[Timtofly]

The seventh king is the Antichrist. The eighth king is Nimrod who is of the seven. He is the King of Babylon and the Assyrian just as history tells us. Here is the warning to the Jews about the one in the secret chamber that was and is not and will come again. He had the deadly wound of the sword.

Matthew 24
25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

He is also Baal.

Nimrod is not mentioned in Daniel 2. You have invented your own AC persona, but certainly not from allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture. There is no reincarnation taught in God's Word. The rest of the dead remain that way, until the GWT Judgment. No human is resurrected to be the AC.


The 7th King of the 7th Kingdom to rule all nations is found in Revelation 11:15. I am shocked that you call Jesus an antichrist. Do you not understand that a one world leader is the leader of every entire nation on earth?

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The 7th Trumpet certainly does not declare the AC as the 7th King of the 7th Kingdom. The 7th Kingdom is short, very short, only 3. 5 days, if Satan is allowed to be the 8th king of the 8th Kingdom. Satan is the beast:

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition... And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

The 7 headed dragon is called Satan. But only one of the heads, with the ten horns. Satan will have support of ten regional leaders, without a kingdom, but who get their people to follow Satan. Satan is part of the sea beast and the scarlet beast. These represent the empires in Daniel 2. Plus the current defunct 6th head and kingdom. 6 plus Satan equals 7 heads. All three times this beast only has 7 heads: Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Rome, the Holy Roman Empire until the Reformation, and the 6th head from the Reformation until the Second Coming. Jesus is the 7th Kingdom, and Satan will be the 8th if God decides at the point of the 7th Trumpet. The days of the 7th Trumpet is the week of Daniel 9:27 when the Lord God including Jesus, and the Holy Spirit confirm the Atonement Covenant with the many and decide if there will be a 42 month extension of God's grace, or not. Satan as the 8th kingdom will be that 42 month extension in Revelation 13. That is when the Abomination of Desolation will be allowed to take over the throne and temple in Jerusalem, and God's salvation by grace through faith, will be removed. The only redemption will be to chop one's head off to avoid the mark.

 

[The Light]

Nimrod is dead.

Yes, for now.

There is no prophecy about him returning.

Here...............

Isiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Theer also is no king past or above the antichrist (false prophet) in Rev.

Revelation 13
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 

[The Light]

Nimrod is not mentioned in Daniel 2.

Great.

You have invented your own AC persona, but certainly not from allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

There is no reincarnation taught in God's Word.

Rev 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 17
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The rest of the dead remain that way, until the GWT Judgment. No human is resurrected to be the AC.

He is not the Antichrist. He is an Antichrist who had the deadly wound of the sword and did live.

The 7th King of the 7th Kingdom to rule all nations is found in Revelation 11:15.

Agreed

I am shocked that you call Jesus an antichrist.

Hmmm. I missed that one. You prolly need to re-read Matthew 24

Do you not understand that a one world leader is the leader of every entire nation on earth?

Yes. And do you not understand that he causes the world to worship the one with the deadly wound of the sword and lives again?

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

The 7th Trumpet certainly does not declare the AC as the 7th King of the 7th Kingdom. The 7th Kingdom is short, very short, only 3. 5 days, if Satan is allowed to be the 8th king of the 8th Kingdom. Satan is the beast:

Prolly reread Isaiah 14

"The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition... And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Not Satan. He is not in the bottomless pit.

The 7 headed dragon is called Satan. But only one of the heads, with the ten horns. Satan will have support of ten regional leaders, without a kingdom, but who get their people to follow Satan. Satan is part of the sea beast and the scarlet beast. These represent the empires in Daniel 2. Plus the current defunct 6th head and kingdom. 6 plus Satan equals 7 heads. All three times this beast only has 7 heads: Babylon, Medes and Persians, Greece, Rome, the Holy Roman Empire until the Reformation, and the 6th head from the Reformation until the Second Coming. Jesus is the 7th Kingdom, and Satan will be the 8th if God decides at the point of the 7th Trumpet. The days of the 7th Trumpet is the week of Daniel 9:27 when the Lord God including Jesus, and the Holy Spirit confirm the Atonement Covenant with the many and decide if there will be a 42 month extension of God's grace, or not. Satan as the 8th kingdom will be that 42 month extension in Revelation 13. That is when the Abomination of Desolation will be allowed to take over the throne and temple in Jerusalem, and God's salvation by grace through faith, will be removed. The only redemption will be to chop one's head off to avoid the mark.

Nimrod is the eighth king and is of the seven. He is the king of Babylon and the Assyrian spoken of in the Old Testament.

You do understand that the false religion that blinds the world comes from Babylon don't you?

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, for now.


Here...............

Not one word of Nimrod. He isn't coming back. Who claims he does? What denomination teaches this?

 

[Davy]

Not one word of Nimrod. He isn't coming back. Who claims he does? What denomination teaches this?

Some of the wild cults out there claiming to be Christian teach the falsehood that the "deadly wound" of Rev.13 is about the death of the Antichrist, and the deadly wound being healed means the Antichrist is resurrected. Some cults take that even farther and claim it will be a reincarnation of Nimrod.

Per Rev.13, the "deadly wound" is upon 1 of the seven heads of the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. Because the grammar description about the beast that comes up out of the sea having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns uses pronouns like 'his', the deceived think it is talking about the Antichrist when it is not, but is actually referring to a beast world kingdom over the earth. The ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns is about a beast 'kingdom'. And Jesus explained this in the Rev.17 chapter.

In Rev.17:15, Jesus revealed the 'waters' represent peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues, i.e., the world of nations. He revealed the "seven heads" are actually "seven mountains", which means geographic locations upon the earth.

Thus the "deadly wound" that will be healed by the coming "another beast" (beast king) of Rev.13, will be upon one of the 7 geographic locations on earth. Understanding where that means is easy if one stays with what is written, because just where is it that the coming pseudo-Christ is to come and place the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus forewarned us about? And where is it that God is going to send His "two witnesses" during the dragon's reign on earth for 42 months, per Rev.11 & 13? JERUSALEM at the end of this world.

Thus JERUSALEM in control by the coming beast king as his one-world headquarters is the "deadly wound" head that will be 'healed'. So when was that "deadly wound" first caused upon an area like Jerusalem? If during this present world, then it would be when God gave king David to conquer it when it was originally called the city of Jebus, and belonged to the pagan Jebusites, a people of the nation of Canaan. But I believe it refers to a much earlier event, the time when God ended Lucifer's rebellion of old, with Lucifer's attempted beast kingdom thus suffering a "deadly wound". With Lucifer returning to 'try'... and setup his beast kingdom of old again at the end of this world at Jerusalem, that would serve as a type of healing of that old wound.

 

[Douggg]

Per Rev.13, the "deadly wound" is upon 1 of the seven heads of the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. Because the grammar description about the beast that comes up out of the sea having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns uses pronouns like 'his', the deceived think it is talking about the Antichrist when it is not, but is actually referring to a beast world kingdom over the earth. The ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns is about a beast 'kingdom'. And Jesus explained this in the Rev.17 chapter.

The false prophet has an image made of the beast in Revelation 13:14. The image of the beast is that of a man, as the number of the beast, 666, is also that of a man, not a kingdom, in the text of Revelation 13:18

 

[Douggg]

Nimrod is the eighth king and is of the seven. He is the king of Babylon and the Assyrian spoken of in the Old Testament.

The Assyrian of Micah 5:5 is likely the end times leader of the Muslim coalition portion of the Gog/Magog attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38-39. The Assyrian is not the Antichrist, then later beast-king person.

The person who eventually becomes the beast-king goes through five stages on the way to his demise of being cast alive into the lake of fire.

1. as the little horn, (as king 7), leader over ten EU leaders.
2. as the prince who shall come following the Gog/Magog event.
3. as the Antichrist,temporary King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, by the Jews.
4. as the revealed man of sin, who claims to have achieved God-hood, end of his time as the Antichrist - phony King of Israel.
5. as the beast-king (king 8), who is killed for his God-hood claim, but comes back to life as the beast - to be the dictator of the EU.

The EU is the end times manifestation of the Roman Empire, the fourth kingdom of Daniel 7. Once the person becomes the beast, the ten EU leaders will hand their kingdom over to him in Revelation 17:17.

To become the Antichrist, the person must be a Jew. So that is our first filter in trying to determine who that person might be.

 

[Cassandra]

Nimrod, at the end of his life, worshipped the One True God, Daniel 4:34

That was Nebuchadnezzer.

 

[The Light]

Nimrod, at the end of his life, worshipped the One True God, Daniel 4:34. So the beast-king is not Nimrod come back to life.

That was Nebuchadnezzar.

The Assyrian of Micah 5:5 is likely the end times leader of the Muslim coalition portion of the Gog/Magog attack on Israel in Ezekiel 38-39. The Assyrian is not the Antichrist, then later beast-king person.

Gog Magog is after the 1000 years

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

The person who eventually becomes the beast-king goes through five stages on the way to his demise of being cast alive into the lake of fire.

1. as the little horn, (as king 7), leader over ten EU leaders.

The little horn is king eight. Nimrod, who was also king one. He is the eighth and is of the seven.

Ecc 1
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

2. as the prince who shall come following the Gog/Magog event.

this is after the 1000 years

3. as the Antichrist,temporary King of Israel thought-to-be messiah, by the Jews.

ok

4. as the revealed man of sin, who claims to have achieved God-hood, end of his time as the Antichrist - phony King of Israel.

ok

5. as the beast-king (king 8), who is killed for his God-hood claim, but comes back to life as the beast - to be the dictator of the EU.

The beast of the earth causes the earth to worship the beast of the sea who was and is not and will come again.

To become the Antichrist, the person must be a Jew. So that is our first filter in trying to determine who that person might be.

The Jews will first receive him and then reject him. They will be attacked and those remaining will flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

 

[Douggg]

That was Nebuchadnezzar.

Oh, my mistake, I got mixed up. I was tired at the time, I made the post. Some people think that the beast person will be Nebuchadnezzar. But that is not what you said.

 

[Douggg]

Gog Magog is after the 1000 years

Revelation 20
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Gog-Magog in Revelation 20 refers to that ti will be the same nations as were involved in the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39, a thousand years earlier, which takes place 7 years before Jesus's Second Coming.

The beast of the earth causes the earth to worship the beast of the sea who was and is not and will come again.

Not "will come again" in the text of Revelation 17:8. But the beast that was, and is not, "and yet is." What that means is that the world will see the person alive, then he dies, and the world then sees him come back to life.

I made these two visuals of what will happen....

The beast that once was and is not, and is in the bottoless pit - is the serpent beast in the garden of eden used by Satan. The part of the verse in red. The part in blue is about the end times person - who when he becomes possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast ascending out of the bottomless - becomes the beast-king.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Before being killed the person commits the transgression of desolation act of going into the temple (to be built), sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. Because of his audacious act, God in Ezekiel 28:1-10 has the person assassinated. And in Isaiah 14, finds his soul in hell, mocked. In Isaiah 14:18-20, God in disdain for the person, does not allow his body to be placed in an ornate tomb like other well-known kings, and cast his soul out of hell back into his lifeless body.

It will be the strong delusion that that God sends in 2Thessalonians2:11 to those who will have believe the person's initial lie of having achieved God-hood.

 

[Douggg]

That was Nebuchadnezzer.

Yes, you are right. I was tired at the time I made the post. And some people think the beast is Nebuchadnezzar. But that is not what @The Light wrote. He wrote Nimrod. My mistake.

I just went back and edited my post #571. And took that line out about Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[The Light]

Some of the wild cults out there claiming to be Christian teach the falsehood that the "deadly wound" of Rev.13 is about the death of the Antichrist, and the deadly wound being healed means the Antichrist is resurrected. Some cults take that even farther and claim it will be a reincarnation of Nimrod.

I don't know anything about any cults. I do know that the thing that hath been is that which shall be and that which is done is that which shall be done and there is no new thing under the sun.

Per Rev.13, the "deadly wound" is upon 1 of the seven heads of the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1. Because the grammar description about the beast that comes up out of the sea having ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns uses pronouns like 'his', the deceived think it is talking about the Antichrist when it is not, but is actually referring to a beast world kingdom over the earth. The ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns is about a beast 'kingdom'. And Jesus explained this in the Rev.17 chapter.

A little history would help. All the world kingdoms had the false religion of Babylon. In Egypt, Pharoh was God on the earth. In Greece, Alexander the Great was God on earth. Rome, Caesar was God on earth. The very concept went into the Catholic Church where the Pope is the vicar of Christ, and God on earth.

In Rev.17:15, Jesus revealed the 'waters' represent peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues, i.e., the world of nations. He revealed the "seven heads" are actually "seven mountains", which means geographic locations upon the earth.

The beast of the sea comes out of the bottomless pit. This is not talking about a beast kingdom. It is talking about the beast of the sea.

Thus the "deadly wound" that will be healed by the coming "another beast" (beast king) of Rev.13, will be upon one of the 7 geographic locations on earth. Understanding where that means is easy if one stays with what is written, because just where is it that the coming pseudo-Christ is to come and place the "abomination of desolation" that Jesus forewarned us about? And where is it that God is going to send His "two witnesses" during the dragon's reign on earth for 42 months, per Rev.11 & 13? JERUSALEM at the end of this world.

Thus JERUSALEM in control by the coming beast king as his one-world headquarters is the "deadly wound" head that will be 'healed'. So when was that "deadly wound" first caused upon an area like Jerusalem? If during this present world, then it would be when God gave king David to conquer it when it was originally called the city of Jebus, and belonged to the pagan Jebusites, and people of the nation of Canaan. But I believe it refers to a much earlier event, the time when God ended Lucifer's rebellion of old, with Lucifer's attempted beast kingdom thus suffering a "deadly wound". With Lucifer returning to 'try'... and setup his beast kingdom of old again at the end of this world at Jerusalem, that would serve as a type of healing of that old wound.

Satan laughs as he puts his plan on full display all these years. Do you need to see another 200 mummy movies before you understand what is going to happen? The tomb of Gilgamesh was found in 2003. Gilgamesh was Nimrod. Right after the tomb was found, Gulf War 2 began as we had to go after the non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Need I go further?????

 

[The Light]

Gog-Magog in Revelation 20 refers to that ti will be the same nations as were involved in the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39, a thousand years earlier, which takes place 7 years before Jesus's Second Coming.

Ezekiel 38 and 39 is talking about Gog Magog after the 1000 years. They will go against the land of unwalled villages. Israel has walls.

Not "will come again" in the text of Revelation 17:8. But the beast that was, and is not, "and yet is." What that means is that the world will see the person alive, then he dies, and the world then sees him come back to life.

The world saw Nimrod. His tomb was found. Ever heard of cloning?

Jesus warned the Jews in Matthew 24

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

 

[Douggg]

The world saw Nimrod. His tomb was found. Ever heard of cloning?

I don't think Nimrod was ever referred to as a beast - like the serpent beast.

Is it claimed that some have discovered the bones of Nimrod ?

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 38 and 39 is talking about Gog Magog after the 1000 years. They will go against the land of unwalled villages. Israel has walls.

There are not 7 years following the put down of Satan's last uprising of the nations in Revelation 20.

There is a barrier type wall in Israel at the Palestinian border. But I don't think there are massive walls around the cities on which soldiers stood to defend the cities against attacks by armies like in the olden days.