Who Really, Are the Jews?

[Davy]

The real identity of the Jews today is full of propaganda. The Word of God helps define who the Jews really are. Do you know your Bible history? Do you know who the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) defined where the title of Jew came from?

In many Christian pulpits today, anyone born of the seed of one of the 12 tribes of Israel is called by that title of Jew. Is that Biblically accurate though, or is that just a politically correct idea pushed upon unsuspecting congregations?

 

[The Disciple John]

The real identity of the Jews today is full of propaganda. The Word of God helps define who the Jews really are. Do you know your Bible history? Do you know who the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) defined where the title of Jew came from?

In many Christian pulpits today, anyone born of the seed of one of the 12 tribes of Israel is called by that title of Jew. Is that Biblically accurate though, or is that just a politically correct idea pushed upon unsuspecting congregations?

I understand that there are Jews born on the outside - that is born by an earthly nation only, and there are Jews born on the inside - that is, born into God's spiritual nation, or household.

 

[MatthewG]

All the twelve tribes of Israel, Davy.

What was Josephus definition?

 

[Robert Gwin]

The real identity of the Jews today is full of propaganda. The Word of God helps define who the Jews really are. Do you know your Bible history? Do you know who the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) defined where the title of Jew came from?

In many Christian pulpits today, anyone born of the seed of one of the 12 tribes of Israel is called by that title of Jew. Is that Biblically accurate though, or is that just a politically correct idea pushed upon unsuspecting congregations?

The actual literal answer of Pre-Christian Jews is all the descendants of Judah, sadly in your poll, I put member of all the 12, I was wrong. May I ask though, what is their significance today?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The word Jews is vague and so wide nowadays.
Hebrew maybe more down to earth in relating to such things.
The word Israel is bastardised Nowadays and so wide Nowadays.

If one claims to be a Jew means nothing really.
If one claims to be an Israelite ? prove it that you are worthy of the title as in relation to the Bible. Nathaniel and Jacob were truly worthy of the Title in fact.
If one claims to be a Hebrew well one must have a blood line.

I am a Hebrew and an Israelite but I am not a Jew. I am a truly Born again Christian, just as was the followers of Jesus, when they got the message from God that he was truly the Christ in fact.

When Christ Jesus came and went to Heaven from that point on their is only one that is worthy and all the rest of Religion is not worthy at all.
Anyone who look to the Jews from that time on is an Anti-Christ in fact. Outside of Christ Jesus their is nothing worthy of God at all.
If some one is looking to the Jews for anything, such a one is not truly born again, so they are not Saved !
If one is looking for Jesus Christ your are not Saved.
If one has total faith in Christ Jesus you are found, that means Saved !
One can not get Saved 2 times, one is truly Saved or you are not, so if one is serving up the 2ed coming ? seeking the 2ed coming ? such a one is not truly Saved, for they know not Christ Jesus !
The Second coming will come but the Saved will be the same Saved ! They will not be changed, because they already are changed regardless in fact. The Saved are Gods People in fact, because they abide in Christ Jesus. They are not of this world ! They are of the Kingdom of God in fact ! we reject this world just as Jesus pointed out that this world he is not of ! Jesus is about the Kingdom of God ! not this world that is full of deceptions and delusions in fact, That is the problem that one faces before you are truly born again, one has all such deceptions that delude you, this works against your Soul and enslaves you to this world. one can not see past the deceptions. you are trapped ! but Christ Jesus can set you free from this world. One has to put your faith in him. but that is a hard call in reality, but when he comes for you, just as he did for his disciples when he went to Heaven, Bingo the lights went on ! 100% faith ! not 99% faith, Full Faith in Christ Jesus ! their are no shadows of doubt at all in fact, you got the message period ! Jesus plus nothing. it's Jesus all the way.

Jonny Cash song, I saw the Light, is so true. Praise the Lord I saw the Light etc as it goes on, it's all true. and once you truly receive that blessing you will never turn back to the Vomit of this world.

 

[Desire Of All Nations]

Physically speaking, the "Jews" are the descendants of the tribes that remained loyal to Rehoboam. A lot of "Christian" pulpits speak of the Jews as being all 12 tribes because they are ignorant about most things the Bible actually teaches. All Jews are Israelites, but most Israelites are not Jews. The Jews only make up a small fraction of the entire Israelite nation. Calling all Israelites "Jews" is as unintelligent as calling all Americans "New Yorkers".

This may be a bit off topic, but it also needs to be mentioned that the Jewish nation in the Middle East is incorrectly identifying itself as Israel, and it causes evangelicals to believe that all biblical prophecy regarding Israel refers exclusively to the Jewish nation. When biblical prophecy refers to Israel in a physical connotation, it usually concerns the end-time nations that descended from the northern 10 tribes, not the Jews.

 

[Enoch111]

In many Christian pulpits today, anyone born of the seed of one of the 12 tribes of Israel is called by that title of Jew. Is that Biblically accurate though, or is that just a politically correct idea pushed upon unsuspecting congregations?

That is biblically accurate as confirmed by the epistle of James: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. (James 1:1)

Further confirmation is found in Revelation 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 it is interesting to note that "Ephraim" is called "Joseph" and Manasseh is listed as a separate tribe. But Dan is excluded. However, in Ezekiel 48, Dan is included, along with Ephraim and Manasseh.

 

[Davy]

I understand that there are Jews born on the outside - that is born by an earthly nation only, and there are Jews born on the inside - that is, born into God's spiritual nation, or household.

It's important to notice that in Romans 2:29 where Apostle Paul said, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly...", the Greek for "Jew" is Ioudaios which is put for the idea of country, like Judea. So why didn't Paul use the idea of an Israelite instead which would apply to all 12 tribes? Because the "kingdom of Judah" only was left in the land in his day. The ten northern tribes had already been removed by the time of Paul. All those who returned to Jerusalem-Judea after the 70 years Babylon captivity used the name Jew, even a foreigner living in Judea.

In Romans 11 Apostle Paul said he was born of the tribe of Benjamin. Yet in Acts 22:3 Paul said he was a Jew born in Tarsus. Since the name Jew originates from the tribe of Judah, then why would Paul call himself a Jew? Firstly, because it's that word Ioudaios again, which means 'a Judean'. And secondly because the tribe of Benjamin joined with the tribe of Judah when the ten northern tribes rebelled against Solomon's son Rehoboam and separated itself from Jerusalem-Judea (1 Kings 12). The Levites among the northern ten tribes would also leave and go south and join with Judah, because of Jeroboam's calf idols and his setting up common priests of the people instead.

 

[Davy]

The actual literal answer of Pre-Christian Jews is all the descendants of Judah, sadly in your poll, I put member of all the 12, I was wrong. May I ask though, what is their significance today?

In essence, all twelve tribes are Israelites, because they all have Jacob as their father. But they are not all Jews, because the title of Jew originates from the sole tribe of Judah, it actually being just a shortened title for Judah.

And because after the ten northern tribes were scattered out of the land, only the Jews of the southern kingdom remained (2 Kings 17:18). The tribes of Benjamin and Levi had joined with Judah, so they took the name Jew also, as did all that lived in Judea. And those only went captive to Babylon for seventy years by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, with only a small remnant of them returning to rebuild the city, walls, and the temple. King Herod was a Jew, in the sense of a 'religious' Jew. Herod was actually not of the seed of Israel at all, but an Idumean, born of Jacob's brother Esau (Anti.14:1, section 3, by Josephus).


The following is from the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus (100 A.D.).

Nehemiah speaking to a gathering of the Jews in Judea After the Babylon Captivity:

“You know, O Jews, that God hath kept our fathers Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in mind continually; and for the sake of their righteousness hath not left off the care of you. Indeed he hath assisted me in gaining this authority of the King to raise up our wall, and finish what is wanting of the temple. I desire you therefore, who well know the ill will our neighbouring nations bear to us, and that when once they once are made sensible that we are in earnest about building, they will come upon us, and contrive many ways of obstructing our works, that you will, in the first place, put your trust in God; as in him that will assist us against their hatred, and to intermit building neither night nor day; but to use all diligence, and to hasten on the work, now we have this especial opportunity for it.” When he had said this, he gave order that the rulers should measure the wall, and part the work of it among the people, according to their villages and cities; as every ones ability should require. And when he had added this promise, that he himself, with his servants, would assist them, he dissolved the assembly. So the Jews prepared for the work. That is the name they are called by from the day that they came up from Babylon; which is taken from the tribe of Judah, which came first to these places, and thence both they and the countrey gained that appellation."
(Antiquities of the Jews, by Flavius Josephus, Book XI, Chapter 5, Sec.7)

 

[tabletalk]

It's important to notice that in Romans 2:29 where Apostle Paul said, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly...", the Greek for "Jew" is Ioudaios which is put for the idea of country, like Judea. So why didn't Paul use the idea of an Israelite instead which would apply to all 12 tribes? Because the "kingdom of Judah" only was left in the land in his day. The ten northern tribes had already been removed by the time of Paul. All those who returned to Jerusalem-Judea after the 70 years Babylon captivity used the name Jew, even a foreigner living in Judea.

In Romans 11 Apostle Paul said he was born of the tribe of Benjamin. Yet in Acts 22:3 Paul said he was a Jew born in Tarsus. Since the name Jew originates from the tribe of Judah, then why would Paul call himself a Jew? Firstly, because it's that word Ioudaios again, which means 'a Judean'. And secondly because the tribe of Benjamin joined with the tribe of Judah when the ten northern tribes rebelled against Solomon's son Rehoboam and separated itself from Jerusalem-Judea (1 Kings 12). The Levites among the northern ten tribes would also leave and go south and join with Judah, because of Jeroboam's calf idols and his setting up common priests of the people instead.

In Christ Jesus there is no Jew or Gentile.
I think it is best for a Christian to ignore anyone's Jewish heritage. Let the world define things like that.

Consider the sin of partiality, also:
When someone, like Dr. Michael Brown, states he 'is a Jewish believer in Jesus', he is teaching partiality.

 

[Davy]

That is biblically accurate as confirmed by the epistle of James: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting. (James 1:1)

Further confirmation is found in Revelation 7 and 14. In Revelation 7 it is interesting to note that "Ephraim" is called "Joseph" and Manasseh is listed as a separate tribe. But Dan is excluded. However, in Ezekiel 48, Dan is included, along with Ephraim and Manasseh.

It's accurate that ALL twelve tribes are Israelites.

But it is NOT true that all twelve tribes are Jews.

The title of Jew (per Josephus) originated from the sole tribe of Judah. And the only reason why the tribes of Benjamin, and Levi also adopted it was because they joined with the tribe of Judah to form the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea.

NONE of the 10 northern tribes were Jews, yet they made up the majority of Israelites (and no doubt still probably do today).

And Revelation 7, 14 does NOT say they are Jews. Only the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi there represent Jews today. The rest of the tribes named there is about the lost ten tribes. Where do you think the majority of those probably are today? Among Christ's Church.

Matt 15:24
24 But He answered and said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
KJV

House of Israel = ten tribes ONLY

House of Judah = Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes, and strangers.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to anyone curious,

If you read the book of Joshua, you will see all the land that was given to the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel. Levites did not receive any land, still they were all part of the nation which God has chosen in which the messiah would come from the line of David.

You have two genealogy’s mentioned about the birth of Jesus, if your curious to look, found in Matthew and Luke? I think.


In the end God divorced the nation of Israel when judgement day came down upon them in which the main headquarters of Jerusalem was burnt down by fire. It was during Passover and 1.2 million Jews had died, some seeing the return of Lord for full on faith, some were taken captive by the Romans, those who has not faith where basically destroyed because of the bloodshed caused during the war. The wrath of God was poured out in them for killing the Son of God.

The lost all of everything including their genealogy, there is no more tribes today. There is only the heavenly Jerusalem above, which we become apart of by faith in the Son of God, who was risen again by God.

 

[Davy]

In Christ Jesus there is no Jew or Gentile.
I think it is best for a Christian to ignore anyone's Jewish heritage. Let the world define things like that.

Consider the sin of partiality, also:
When someone, like Dr. Michael Brown, states he 'is a Jewish believer in Jesus', he is teaching partiality.

Well, yeah there still is... such a distinction as Israelite and Gentile, because Apostle Paul called those in Christ, even the Gentile believers, as making up the "commonwealth of Israel" per Ephesians 2!

And... Jesus promised His 12 Apostles they each would sit upon 12 thrones judging the 12 tribes of Israel. Thus God's ISRAEL is still going to exist in His Eternal Kingdom.

So instead of you just bypassing... the Old Testament Books of God's prophets, you might want to open them up and study a bit more.

 

[Enoch111]

NONE of the 10 northern tribes were Jews, yet they made up the majority of Israelites (and no doubt still probably do today).

And yet James addressed all twelve tribes (even though the ten tribes were not represented in Judea at that time). That is what you have to think about.

 

[Davy]

And yet James addressed all twelve tribes (even though the ten tribes were not represented in Judea at that time). That is what you have to think about.

James addressed all 12 tribes scattered abroad, the key idea being that all 12 tribes were 'scattered'.

Order of Events--
1. ten northern tribes, called the "kingdom of Israel" and "house of Israel", were completely removed out of the northern lands of Israel by the kings of Assyria, taken captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes. Only the "kingdom of Judah" or "house of Judah" (Jews), was left in the southern lands of Israel (2 Kings 17).

2. About 120 years later, the southern "kingdom of Judah" of JEWS (tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the ten tribes per 2 Chronicles 11:14-17, and the strangers that made up the kingdom in Judea), were taken captive to Babylon by the king of Babylon. Jerusalem, the walls, and Solomon's temple were destroyed by king Nebuchadnezzar.

3. 70 years after the "house of Judah" went into captivity by the king of Babylon, God ended that captivity of the JEWS of the "house of Judah". A small remnant of JEWS ONLY then returned to Jerusalem to rebuild the city, walls, and temple (Books of Ezra and Nehemiah). The MAJORITY of JEWS remained in Babylon by choice, and were SCATTERED through the countries later like the ten tribes were.

4. Thus James' "twelve tribes which are scattered abroad" that he was addressing was about scattered Israelites of BOTH HOUSES, ten tribe Israelites of the "house of Israel", and three tribe Jews of the "house of Judah".

The ten northern tribes of Israel, the "house of Israel", was scattered first, going into their 'own' captivity. They were not taken captive by the king of Babylon, but by the kings of Assyria, in stages. Then the "house of Judah" about 120 years later went into their own captivity to Babylon by the king of Babylon, for seventy years.

So per God's Word, there were 2 captivities, about 120 years apart.

And thus the ten northern tribes of Israel were scattered, never to return to the holy land as a people, even as it is to this day. They became LOST... to the JEWS, and to the world. The majority of the ten tribes to this day do not know who they are. Only a small remnant of them know. But the Israelite born JEWS know their heritage as part of the seed of Israel. So how did Apostle James know this?

The Jewish historian Flavius Josephus said even in his day the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates, and were a great number of people. That is how the Apostles like James knew.

 

[Davy]

Hello to anyone curious,

If you read the book of Joshua, you will see all the land that was given to the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel. Levites did not receive any land, still they were all part of the nation which God has chosen in which the messiah would come from the line of David.

You have two genealogy’s mentioned about the birth of Jesus, if your curious to look, found in Matthew and Luke? I think.


In the end God divorced the nation of Israel when judgement day came down upon them in which the main headquarters of Jerusalem was burnt down by fire. It was during Passover and 1.2 million Jews had died, some seeing the return of Lord for full on faith, some were taken captive by the Romans, those who has not faith where basically destroyed because of the bloodshed caused during the war. The wrath of God was poured out in them for killing the Son of God.

The lost all of everything including their genealogy, there is no more tribes today. There is only the heavenly Jerusalem above, which we become apart of by faith in the Son of God, who was risen again by God.

You've kind of missed certain points in those Scriptures.

1. Christ has only ONE genealogy in The Gospels, and it is Mary's in the Gospel of Luke. The genealogy in Matthew is actually that of Joseph, the husband of Mary. Jesus was conceived by The Holy Spirit, not by Joseph. A comparison of the two genealogies reveals different lineages from Solomon. Jesus' bloodline lineage came from Solomon's son Nathan, representing the legal line. Joseph's came from Solomon's son Rehoboam, and represents the royal line. Joseph's lineage by law, was assigned to Jesus, since the Hebrew custom was the lineage is kept through the male side.

2. It was the northern ten tribe "house of Israel" which God said He gave a bill of divorce to, not the "house of Judah" (Jews).

One must be very careful in understanding the context flow there, because by the time of that prophecy in Jeremiah 3, because the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" had already been scattered, and now God was pointing to that scattering as an example to the "house of Judah" with His getting ready to send Nebuchadnezzar upon them (the Jews), and destroy their kingdom too (i.e,. their "kingdom of Judah" in the south at Jerusalem-Judea.

Jer 3:6-11
6 The LORD said also unto me in the days of Josiah the king, "Hast thou seen that which backsliding Israel hath done? she is gone up upon every high mountain and under every green tree, and there hath played the harlot.

7 And I said after she had done all these things, 'Turn thou unto Me.' But she returned not. And her treacherous sister Judah saw it.

8 And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

9 And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.

10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto Me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.

11 And the LORD said unto me, The backsliding Israel hath justified herself more than treacherous Judah.
KJV

In the above, we see God labeling two sisters, one as Israel and the other as Judah.

This is because back in Rehoboam's day (1 Kings 11 forward), God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms. The southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea with 3 tribes, and the northern "kingdom of Israel" at Samaria in the northern lands with 10 tribes. Israel meant ONLY the northern ten tribes here. She had already played the harlot in false worship against God, and He gave the ten tribes a "bill of divorce", and scattered them out of the land by the hands of the kings of Assyria. Now, in Jeremiah's day, it was the Judah kingdom's turn, because she also fell away to false worship like the ten tribes did.

BIBLE DISTINCTIONS AFTER GOD SPLIT OLD ISRAEL:
AFTER the split of old Israel into two separate kingdoms per 1 Kings 11 & 12 forward, names like "Israel" and "Judah" became specific to only one of the two separate kingdoms.

Therefore, at the days of Rehoboam (king of Judah) and Jeroboam (king of Israel), the labels "Israel", "Samaria", "Ephraim", "Joseph", "house of Israel", "kingdom of Israel", all pointed ONLY to the northern kingdom of Israel of the ten tribes.

And the labels "Judah", "Jerusalem", "Jews", "house of Judah", "kingdom of Judah", ONLY pointed to the 3 tribe kingdom of Judah in the south at Jerusalem-Judea.

GOD METAPHORICALLY DIVORCED the northern ten-tribe "kingdom of Israel" by scattering them captive to Assyria and the lands of the Medes, never to return as a people (2 Kings 17). That was how that "bill of divorce" metaphor was meant.

 

[Davy]

In the end God divorced the nation of Israel when judgement day came down upon them in which the main headquarters of Jerusalem was burnt down by fire. It was during Passover and 1.2 million Jews had died, some seeing the return of Lord for full on faith, some were taken captive by the Romans, those who has not faith where basically destroyed because of the bloodshed caused during the war. The wrath of God was poured out in them for killing the Son of God.

The lost all of everything including their genealogy, there is no more tribes today. There is only the heavenly Jerusalem above, which we become apart of by faith in the Son of God, who was risen again by God.

So the metaphorical "bill of divorce" in Jeremiah 3 was not about Judah (Jews), but instead about Israel (ten tribes). And that 'divorce' happened when God scattered the ten northern tribes of Israel, and they would later become the ten lost tribes, still lost today.

But for Judah, even though they rebelled later also, He did NOT spiritually divorce, because even though He was warning Judah in Jeremiah 3 of what He did to the ten tribes of Israel, Judah's sister, God would bring a remnant of Judah back to Jerusalem from their seventy years Babylon captivity, and bless them in rebuilding the city, walls, and 2nd temple.

But for the ten tribes of Israel, they are still... scattered and lost today, showing that "bill of divorce" from God.

And even about Judah and the Roman's destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., we see today with God having re-established Judah again... in the holy land, that He still has not divorced them, but only has temporarily blinded them (Romans 11). This is because in 1 Kings 11 God promised that He would always leave on tribe in Jerusalem, for His servant David's sake and Jerusalem's sake, the place where He has chose to dwell forever. So even though the majority of today's Jews in the nation of Israel still reject Jesus Christ, (but because of God's Hand they are blinded to The Gospel), those still represent His people of the "house of Judah" in the holy land, the one tribe He said He would always have there before Him...

1 Kings 11:11-13
11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David My servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.
KJV


1 Kings 11:29-36
29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, "Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)
33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David My servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept My commandments and My statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.
36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.
KJV

 

[MatthewG]

So the metaphorical "bill of divorce" in Jeremiah 3 was not about Judah (Jews), but instead about Israel (ten tribes). And that 'divorce' happened when God scattered the ten northern tribes of Israel, and they would later become the ten lost tribes, still lost today.

But for Judah, even though they rebelled later also, He did NOT spiritually divorce, because even though He was warning Judah in Jeremiah 3 of what He did to the ten tribes of Israel, Judah's sister, God would bring a remnant of Judah back to Jerusalem from their seventy years Babylon captivity, and bless them in rebuilding the city, walls, and 2nd temple.

But for the ten tribes of Israel, they are still... scattered and lost today, showing that "bill of divorce" from God.

And even about Judah and the Roman's destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., we see today with God having re-established Judah again... in the holy land, that He still has not divorced them, but only has temporarily blinded them (Romans 11). This is because in 1 Kings 11 God promised that He would always leave on tribe in Jerusalem, for His servant David's sake and Jerusalem's sake, the place where He has chose to dwell forever. So even though the majority of today's Jews in the nation of Israel still reject Jesus Christ, (but because of God's Hand they are blinded to The Gospel), those still represent His people of the "house of Judah" in the holy land, the one tribe He said He would always have there before Him...

1 Kings 11:11-13
11 Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.
12 Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.
13 Howbeit I will not rend away all the kingdom; but will give one tribe to thy son for David My servant's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake which I have chosen.
KJV


1 Kings 11:29-36
29 And it came to pass at that time when Jeroboam went out of Jerusalem, that the prophet Ahijah the Shilonite found him in the way; and he had clad himself with a new garment; and they two were alone in the field:
30 And Ahijah caught the new garment that was on him, and rent it in twelve pieces:
31 And he said to Jeroboam, Take thee ten pieces: for thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, "Behold, I will rend the kingdom out of the hand of Solomon, and will give ten tribes to thee:
32 (But he shall have one tribe for My servant David's sake, and for Jerusalem's sake, the city which I have chosen out of all the tribes of Israel:)
33 Because that they have forsaken Me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in My ways, to do that which is right in Mine eyes, and to keep My statutes and My judgments, as did David his father.
34 Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David My servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept My commandments and My statutes:
35 But I will take the kingdom out of his son's hand, and will give it unto thee, even ten tribes.
36 And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David My servant may have a light alway before Me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen Me to put My name there.
KJV

thank you for sharing,

In revelation John talks about twelve tribes? So I don’t understand your point. There is no more genealogy. It’s all about people and there faith in Jesus or not now. The Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation, according to Paul.


“from Judah 12,000 from Reuben 12,000 from Gad 12,000 from Asher 12,000 from Naphtali 12,000 from Manasseh 12,000 from Simeon 12,000 from Levi 12,000 from Issachar 12,000 from Zebulun 12,000 from Joseph 12,000 from Benjamin 12,000”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:5-8‬ ‭NLT‬‬

The fig tree that was beautiful produced no fruit (which Jesus had cursed - and John said the axe was laid at the base of the tree was going to be cut down) it was cut down with a bride saved from it that was faithful, from my understanding. God had divorced (instead reconciling the whole world through CHRIST), the nation of Israel for killing his Son, those who believed were saved from the wrath to come in faith having their sins washed in the blood of the resurrection of Christ.

23 Bible verses about Twelve Tribes

I could be wrong, and maybe your right, still desired to share you my overall view on the subject @Davy.

God bless brother.

 

[The Disciple John]

It's important to notice that in Romans 2:29 where Apostle Paul said, "But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly...", the Greek for "Jew" is Ioudaios which is put for the idea of country, like Judea. So why didn't Paul use the idea of an Israelite instead which would apply to all 12 tribes? Because the "kingdom of Judah" only was left in the land in his day. The ten northern tribes had already been removed by the time of Paul. All those who returned to Jerusalem-Judea after the 70 years Babylon captivity used the name Jew, even a foreigner living in Judea.

In Romans 11 Apostle Paul said he was born of the tribe of Benjamin. Yet in Acts 22:3 Paul said he was a Jew born in Tarsus. Since the name Jew originates from the tribe of Judah, then why would Paul call himself a Jew? Firstly, because it's that word Ioudaios again, which means 'a Judean'. And secondly because the tribe of Benjamin joined with the tribe of Judah when the ten northern tribes rebelled against Solomon's son Rehoboam and separated itself from Jerusalem-Judea (1 Kings 12). The Levites among the northern ten tribes would also leave and go south and join with Judah, because of Jeroboam's calf idols and his setting up common priests of the people instead.

Paul did mention Israelites. Romans 9:6-8
Reading all of Romans tell us that there are Jews born on the outside - that is born by an earthly nation only, and there are Jews born on the inside - that is, born into God's spiritual nation, or household.

The latter are not Jews or Israelites born such physically, but spiritually.
So both Jews and Gentiles who accepted Christ, and are heirs of Christ (Galatians 3:29) are considered Israelites, or Jews.

We just need to understand the link to the Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 22:18), and all these scriptures in Paul's letters.
Zechariah refers, in part, to this situation (Zechariah 8:23)
The Abrahamic covenant remains in effect. Galatians 3:7-25
The Mosaic law on the other hand, served its purpose, and became obsolete. Galatians 3:23-25; Ephesians 2:11-16

God looks at the reality, not the shadow. So those in Christ are not fleshly Jews. Galatians 3:27-28; Ephesians 2:19-22
Without really understand God's purpose, and the role the kingdom plays, these things are lost, and foreign to the ear.

 

[The Disciple John]

thank you for sharing,

In revelation John talks about twelve tribes? So I don’t understand your point. There is no more genealogy. It’s all about people and there faith in Jesus or not now. The Gospel is the power of God unto Salvation, according to Paul.


“from Judah 12,000 from Reuben 12,000 from Gad 12,000 from Asher 12,000 from Naphtali 12,000 from Manasseh 12,000 from Simeon 12,000 from Levi 12,000 from Issachar 12,000 from Zebulun 12,000 from Joseph 12,000 from Benjamin 12,000”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:5-8‬ ‭NLT‬‬

The fig tree that was beautiful produced no fruit (which Jesus had cursed - and John said the axe was laid at the base of the tree was going to be cut down) it was cut down with a bride saved from it that was faithful, from my understanding. God had divorced (instead reconciling the whole world through CHRIST), the nation of Israel for killing his Son, those who believed were saved from the wrath to come in faith having their sins washed in the blood of the resurrection of Christ.

23 Bible verses about Twelve Tribes

I could be wrong, and maybe your right, still desired to share you my overall view on the subject @Davy.

God bless brother.

I am not sure what your overall view is, but based on what you said, if I understand you clearly, you speak in line with truth from the scriptures.
I would like to hear more.
What do you think of this post. Does it agree with your views?