Featured Whoever is Born of God Sins Not

OK, thank you for your clarity. I do not find this teaching in the Bible.

Actually, you were the one who brought up inheritance, not I. So I'll leave this for you to elaborate as you wish.

God tells us that He wants us to be assured of our eternal life. He teaches us that we are dead and reborn. Our death and rebirth make us His children forever. And that which is born of God sins not.

If we do not endure with Him until the end, we never had eternal life.

Much love!

 

Hi Enoch,

I think amadeus settled the matter:

So there ya go.

Much love!

 

Hi amadeus,

What a disappointing example of the ad hominem.

Pity we are not able to have a discussion.

When I try to make it about Scripture, instead of vague allusions to things not actually stated, such as your assertion that "Adam lost his inheritance, therefore the born again child of God can likewise not be saved at the end", when I try to direct this towards what the Bible has to actually say, this is the response.

Tell me please, what am I supposed to understand from these expressions? Do these sorts of comments give God glory?

One more question if I may . . .

How does this further the discussion of Scripture?

Your views are, like certain other people's, present as a "gospel" of works. Start in faith, but finish in works. Hardly good news at all.

Galatians 3
1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Please tell me amadeus, do you believe as some of these others that you cannot know whether God will accept you or not until after you are dead?

Much love, and again in sadness.

 

Habakkuk 2
2 And the Lord answered me, and said, Write the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run that readeth it.
3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:17 "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."

Galatians 3:11 "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Albert Barnes makes this comment: “The just man, or the righteous man, shall live by his confidence in God.”

Galatians 3:12 "And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them."

The just shall live by faith, and the Law is not of faith.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

God's answer . . . to provide an ark for our safety. In Christ we can survive the sentence of death.

1 Peter 3
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Noah was saved through the judgment of the flood being in the ark. We are saved through the judgment of death being in Christ.

Noah, having survived the flood, and having God's promise to not flood the earth again, was now safe from that.

We, having survived death, die no more.

Romans 6
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

As Jesus also said, He who lives and believes in Me shall never die.

We have passed from death into life, never to die again.

Romans 4
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

In order that all may partake, God made salvation to be through faith, not through law. Law only condemns, because all sin. The only way there is no transgression is if there is no law.

But the Law had to be satisfied, and there's no winking, no pretending, righteousness is righteousness, and must be satisfied.

We, being disobedient, must die. And In Christ we've died.

So we have a new nature which is righteous and holy, and wants to do righteousness.
We've been given power over our flesh, which has been executed.
And we have been removed from the jurisdiction of the law.

The Just shall live by faith, not by works, not by trying to do better, not by trying to keep from doing worse.

Romans 4:21, of Abraham, "And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform."

Are you persuaded?

Jude
24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
25 To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

1 Corinthians 1
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

So, can God do this?

Can we walk without sin?

I challenge anyone who questions this . . . the next time you are tempted to sin, look to Jesus, who is able to deliver.

Law promotes sinfulness in humans. Recognition that we are dead to the Law gets us off that merry-go-round.

Realizing that not only are we not guilty for anything done by our flesh, but likewise we will remain forever not guilty, because we are not that man of flesh, condemned under Law. We are children of God. Not His subjects, His children.

Much love!

 

Amadeus, I did not see where you wanted to discuss. Once I tried to bring it to the Bible, you just wanted to make it personal.

OK, I do see where you want to discuss, buy only me, and that in a negative light. But that's not really discussion.

You can say you want to discuss, but when you turn on me when I ask for a passage a Scripture, again, not really discussion.

And you continue to just get personal.

Amadeus, I've been at this too long to not see these sorts of things. Rather then engage the topic, you wish to "engage" me. My character, my style, whatever, but not the topic.

It's too bad.

The fact that I question an assertion, or ask for Biblical teaching on an assertion in no wise means I'm not interested in discussion, or only want to win a debate. A Biblical discussion.

Your comments about me as person serve to spare you answering the difficult questions, such as, where is this found in the Bible?

You'll notice I post much Scripture. I think it's important to make sure we're actually dealing with what God says.


You wrote:

Tell me please . . . how should I take these words?

What is your answer?

Much love!

 

Hi amadeus,

I'm very reluctant to take much time for metacommunicating when trying standard communication seems at such a standstill. Suffice to say I am always interested in Bible based discussion as my presence and activity on this forum will well attest.

But here again you direct the conversation to become about me instead of the topic. And not even the topic of this thread, my friend.

Whosoever is born of God sins not.

A clear and simple statement I wish to discuss. You seem to want to make it about something else.

And you never did provide this.

If you want to have a discussion about Scripture, let's do. But I'm not interested in an endless personal defense.

You posted a Scripture that Adam was the son of God, and you want to talk about our losing our inheritance. OK, rather than Adam's geneology, how about Scripture which discusses our inheritance?

As for my question of, what did you mean or intend in saying these things:

This will allow you to more easily see where you said them.

Much love!

 

Hi Aspen,

You of course remind me of the "millstone" passage, and, considering what people do to children, it makes me shudder!

Matthew 18
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

This sure does seem to anticipate that there will be trespasses, does it not?

Other places like 1 John 2, "If we sin, we have an advocate", say to me the same thing. That while God frees us from sin, even creating us holy and without sin, yet realizes that we won't apprehend that all at once.

Much love!

 

OK, I'm probably out till Monday, everybody have a great weekend!

Much much love!

 

Hi amadeus, thank you, and I expect that you are correct in this.

I too have no wish to offend.

Much love!