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From what is known, Stalin was responsible for more deaths than the Nazis, but they were never defeated to allow anyone to check their records.
Dear @amadeus
I’ve heard my dad say that many times, I just can’t help but wondering if that is actually an ideological claim that stems from Cold War propaganda.
Estimates point towards Stalins killing 20 million during his rule, but Stalin was also in office for 28 years.
Hitler killed 17 million but was only in office 13 years. That means that Hitler averaged 1,3 million a year, while Stalin only averaged a 0,7 million a year.
One could argue that we don’t know Hitlers true number since he didn’t live to fulfill his ambitions.
 
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That is historically correct. And it was a shame for the land of the free to deal with the persecuted Jews in this fashion. But to add insult to injury, the American government of the time (a) helped many Nazis to escape to Argentina and (c) saved many Nazis in order to help with their scientific and bomb making research.
This sounds Anti-American and I’m not buying it, the Vatican was responsible for many of the Nazi escaping to South America, yeah we brought over a few Nazis to help us with rocket, which they had perfected, Braun was his name, I don’t the believe he was a Nazi war criminal just serving his country as we would.
 

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You're just a bleeding heart liberal, one of the many problems in today's society about everybody accepting everything even when it's against God's law.

I’m not a liberal, communist, believer in conservatism, nationalism, capitalism or any manmade system of thought. I follow Jesus. The problem of today is that too many Christians decide to let ideology guide them. Give in to God and kneel, give up on your thoughts about politics.
 

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Even the Fact Checkers can't deny Historical facts

Fact check: Nazi scientists were brought to work for U.S. through Operation Paperclip
Miriam Fauzia
USA TODAY

Our rating: True
We rate this claim TRUE because it is supported by our research. Operation Paperclip was a secret initiative launched by the U.S. government to recruit German engineers, doctors, physicists, chemists and other scientific experts for U.S. technological advancement, especially in anticipation of the Cold War. Many recruited German scientists did work for NASA and various other government entities. They were not held responsible for their war crimes.

Fact check: Nazi scientists brought to U.S. in Operation Paperclip
 
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This sounds Anti-American and I’m not buying it...
Truth is truth, whether we like it or not. So here is what you need to remember:

"In 1924, the US Congress passed new immigration laws. These laws set limits on annual immigration to the United States. A quota system, organized by country of origin, gave preference to immigrants from northern and western Europe. Those from southern and eastern Europe, where the vast majority of Europe’s Jews lived, were at a disadvantage. These laws were based in part on widely accepted theories of “eugenic science” and beliefs about the hierarchy of racial and national groups. The United States did not have a substantive refugee policy during this period. Those fleeing persecution were subjected to the same procedures as other immigrants."
How did the United States government and American people respond to Nazism?
 
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I very much doubt that.
It did happen although many in our country would not advertise it:

SS St Louis: The ship of Jewish refugees nobody wanted


By Mike Lanchin
BBC World Service

Published
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Gerald Granston (right) on the deck of the St Louis

On 13 May 1939, more than 900 Jews fled Germany aboard a luxury cruise liner, the SS St Louis. They hoped to reach Cuba and then travel to the US - but were turned away in Havana and forced to return to Europe, where more than 250 were killed by the Nazis.

"It was really something to be going on a luxury liner," says Gisela Feldman. "We didn't really know where we were heading, or how we would cope when we got there."

At the age of 90, Feldman still clearly remembers the raw and mixed emotions she felt as a 15-year-old girl boarding the St Louis at Hamburg docks with her mother and younger sister.

"I was always aware of how anxious my mother looked, embarking on such a long journey, on her own with two teenage daughters," she says.

In the years following the rise to power of Hitler's Nazi party, ordinary Jewish families like Feldman's had been left in no doubt about the increasing dangers they were facing.


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Jewish properties had been confiscated, synagogues and businesses burned down. After Feldman's Polish father was arrested and deported to Poland her mother decided it was time to leave.

Feldman remembers her father pleading with her mother to wait for him to return but her mother was adamant and always replied: "I have to take the girls away to safety."

So, armed with visas for Cuba which she had bought in Berlin, 10 German marks in her purse and another 200 hidden in her underclothes, she headed for Hamburg and the St Louis.

"We were fortunate that my mother was so brave," says Feldman with a note of pride in her voice.

Tearful relatives waved them off at the station in Berlin. "They knew we would never see each other again," she says softly. "We were the lucky ones - we managed to get out." She would never see her father or more than 30 other close family members again.

By early 1939, the Nazis had closed most of Germany's borders and many countries had imposed quotas limiting the number of Jewish refugees they would allow in.

Cuba was seen as a temporary transit point to get to America and officials at the Cuban embassy in Berlin were offering visas for about $200 or $300 each - $3,000 to $5,000 (£1,800 to £3,000) at today's prices.


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When six-year-old Gerald Granston was told by his father that they were leaving their small town in southern Germany to take a ship to the other side of the world, he struggled to understand what that meant.

"I'd never heard of Cuba and I couldn't imagine what was going to happen. I remember being scared all the time," he says, now aged 81.

For many of the young passengers and their parents however, the trepidation and anxiety soon faded as the St Louis began its two-week transatlantic voyage.

Feldman, who shared a cabin in the lower part of the ship with her sister Sonja, spent her time walking around the deck chatting with boys of her own age, or swimming in the ship's pool.

On board, there was a dance band in the evenings and even a cinema. There were regular meals with a variety of food that the passengers rarely saw back home.

Under orders from the ship's captain, Gustav Schroder, the waiters and crew members treated the passengers politely, in stark contrast to the open hostility Jewish families had become accustomed to under the Nazis.


The captain allowed traditional Friday night prayers to be held, during which he gave permission for the portrait of Adolf Hitler hanging in the main dining room to be taken down.

Six-year-old Sol Messinger, who was travelling with his father and mother, recalls how happy everyone seemed. In fact, he says, the youngsters were constantly being told by the adults that they were now safe from harm: "We're going away," he heard people say again and again on that outward journey. "We don't have to look over our shoulders any more."

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But as the luxury liner reached the coast of Havana on 27 May, that sense of optimism disappeared to be replaced by fear, then dread.

Granston was up on deck with his father and dozens of other families, their suitcases packed and ready to disembark, when the Cuban officials, all smiles, first came aboard.

It quickly became clear that the ship was not going to dock and that no-one was being allowed off. He kept hearing the words "manana, manana" - tomorrow, tomorrow. When the Cubans left and the ship's captain announced that people would have to wait, he could feel, even as a little boy, that something was wrong.

For the next seven days, Captain Schroder tried in vain to persuade the Cuban authorities to allow them in. In fact, the Cubans had already decided to revoke all but a handful of the visas - probably out of fear of being inundated with more refugees fleeing Europe.

The captain then steered the St Louis towards the Florida coast, but the US authorities also refused it the right to dock, despite direct appeals to President Franklin Roosevelt. Granston thinks he too was worried about the potential flood of migrants.

By early June, Captain Schroder had no option but to turn the giant liner back towards Europe. "The joy had gone out of everything," Feldman recalls. "No-one was talking about what would happen now."

As the ship headed back across the Atlantic, six-year-old Granston kept asking his father whether they were going back to see their grandparents. His father just shook his head in silent despair.

By then, people were openly crying as they wandered the ship - one passenger even slit his wrists and threw himself overboard out of sheer desperation. "If I close my eyes, I can still hear his shrieks and see the blood," Granston says quietly.

In the end, the ship's passengers did not have to go back to Nazi Germany. Instead, Belgium, France, Holland and the UK agreed to take the refugees. The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC) posted a cash guarantee of $500,000 - or $8 million (£4.7m) in today's money - as part of an agreement to cover any associated costs.

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Captain Schroder's letter thanking the JDC for arranging visas for the passengers
On 17 June, the liner docked at the Belgian port of Antwerp, more than a month after it had set sail from Hamburg. Feldman, her mother and sisters all went on to England, as did Granston and his father.

They both survived the war but between them they lost scores of relatives in the Holocaust, including Feldman's father who never managed to get out of Poland.

Messinger and his parents went to live in France but then had to flee the Nazis for a second time, leaving just six weeks before Hitler invaded.

Two-hundred-and-fifty-four other passengers from the St Louis were not so fortunate and were killed as the Nazis swept across Western Europe.

Gisela Feldman, Gerald Granston and Sol Messinger spoke to Witness - which airs weekdays on BBC World Service radio.


This is not a new story. I knew about it decades ago, but it was not in any of my schoolbooks. The above posted story was the first one that came up on an Internet search. I copied and pasted it. There are lots of other sources for this kind of information.
 

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Dear @amadeus
I’ve heard my dad say that many times, I just can’t help but wondering if that is actually an ideological claim that stems from Cold War propaganda.
Estimates point towards Stalins killing 20 million during his rule, but Stalin was also in office for 28 years.
Hitler killed 17 million but was only in office 13 years. That means that Hitler averaged 1,3 million a year, while Stalin only averaged a 0,7 million a year.
One could argue that we don’t know Hitlers true number since he didn’t live to fulfill his ambitions.
Similar figures for Stalin, which I have heard or read in different places over the years do not surprise me, but as you indicate, there was propaganda from this side of the ocean as well. I have not read on it as much as on the Nazis, so I have not information about against Stalin.

I do believe as per the scriptures we should be very slow to really trust men, whether they be Nazi or Communist... or in my own country , whether they be Republican or Democrat.

Stay on God's side!
 

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@Reggie Belafonte,
What you wrote makes no sense in context to what I said. I live in this world and therefore I must face poverty, socialism and capitalism and other ungodly ideologies that claim to align with Christianity. I must listen to supposed Christian Trump supporters talk about how socialism is bad, while they praise Trumps ungodly policies and his racism. They are truly of this world, they participate in voting, they will support evil, as long as the devil promises to use two candidates, one Republican and one democrat, then we can praise the lesser evil. Don’t talk about socialism, if all you have is wartime propaganda. Americans are uneducated and it really doesn’t interest me to listen to Cold War propaganda, some people should really wake up. You were told it was bad during the cold war, and it is. But it isn’t worse than capitalism or any other ism, they are all of this world and flawed.
It doesn’t say anywhere in the Bible that you need to police the people you give charity too, if people live on handouts it’s really their own fault. Your narrow mind just think it would be great for the ones living on handouts asking for money one doesn’t need. Where does it warn it of fake poor people?
How old are you ?
Socialism is a cancer !
Christianity has a Social construct.
Capitalism is not to be idolised and in it's pure form is just nonsense, but under the Christian construct points of such do have merit. but capitalism can be a cancer.
Democracy in it's purest form is rubbish as well as it can become a cancer, what a Christian values in democracy is a Healthy democracy ! not a sick one. Hitler had a democracy ? Democracy can be anything, even the Communist are claiming to be democratic now a days.

Trump a racist ? is he racial prejudice ? did he do wrong by the Blacks ? well the Blacks never had it so good under Trump, but under Biden or Obama the blacks are kept down and undermined in fact, not to mention so is everyone in the Nation.

If people want to live on handouts ? is the issue !

A society that champions the dregs, that's what is going on with the Left ! now that's abuse !

I know many professional dole bludgers and they are much better off that many who work in fact. Oh they do not want to do things that may insult their ego ! oh boy does that hurt ! oh they do not want to be seen coming up the ranks, nor working for such on there own merit, but from coming in from the Top !
Or maybe they had to get down on their knees to get something done ! OH the insult, oh I am going to sue ! my ego has been insulted ! some one may of seen them on their knees ! But ok then they see another who works on their knees most of the day and what do they do ! bag that person as a nigger ! in their eyes ? because they would never do such a thing. it's beneath them ! So ok they want an equal society ? but such is never equal ever, such is a lie ! equality has never existed and never will in fact, but we have people who want to take advantage of others in fact, they are clear on that score !

So equality is the word idolised now ? the key, is it ! But what if taking advantage of others were to be aired in the same vane ? it would not be as popular now would it ? because it would be coming from a line that is of Truth ! Such would just not have the same ring to it.
Lies are easy to peddle but the Truth can be hard to swallow. why because shallow people lack depth of understanding on such issues. because they live a lie. even if you point it out to them, they can not fathom.
 

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How old are you ?
Socialism is a cancer !
Christianity has a Social construct.
Capitalism is not to be idolised and in it's pure form is just nonsense, but under the Christian construct points of such do have merit. but capitalism can be a cancer.
Democracy in it's purest form is rubbish as well as it can become a cancer, what a Christian values in democracy is a Healthy democracy ! not a sick one. Hitler had a democracy ? Democracy can be anything, even the Communist are claiming to be democratic now a days.

Trump a racist ? is he racial prejudice ? did he do wrong by the Blacks ? well the Blacks never had it so good under Trump, but under Biden or Obama the blacks are kept down and undermined in fact, not to mention so is everyone in the Nation.

If people want to live on handouts ? is the issue !

A society that champions the dregs, that's what is going on with the Left ! now that's abuse !

I know many professional dole bludgers and they are much better off that many who work in fact. Oh they do not want to do things that may insult their ego ! oh boy does that hurt ! oh they do not want to be seen coming up the ranks, nor working for such on there own merit, but from coming in from the Top !
Or maybe they had to get down on their knees to get something done ! OH the insult, oh I am going to sue ! my ego has been insulted ! some one may of seen them on their knees ! But ok then they see another who works on their knees most of the day and what do they do ! bag that person as a nigger ! in their eyes ? because they would never do such a thing. it's beneath them ! So ok they want an equal society ? but such is never equal ever, such is a lie ! equality has never existed and never will in fact, but we have people who want to take advantage of others in fact, they are clear on that score !

So equality is the word idolised now ? the key, is it ! But what if taking advantage of others were to be aired in the same vane ? it would not be as popular now would it ? because it would be coming from a line that is of Truth ! Such would just not have the same ring to it.
Lies are easy to peddle but the Truth can be hard to swallow. why because shallow people lack depth of understanding on such issues. because they live a lie. even if you point it out to them, they can not fathom.

There are many different forms of democracy and not a consensus on what a democracy should look like. Democracy is also an ideology and I haven’t seen a Christian version of democracy yet.
There are different political science researchers that has tried to score democracy on democracy indexes.
Freedom house or world population review are good indexes (to some) because they measure democracy from on many different variables.
Democracy Countries 2022

“The 10 most democratic nations in the world (2020):
  1. Norway (9.87)
  2. Iceland (9.58)
  3. Sweden (9.39)
  4. New Zealand (9.26)
  5. Finland (9.25)
  6. Ireland (9.24)
  7. Canada (9.22)
  8. Denmark (9.22)
  9. Australia (9.09)
  10. Switzerland (9.03)
The United States scored 7.92 in 2020 and again landed in the "flawed democracy" category, where it has resided since falling from "full democracy" in 2016. Intolerance of COVID-19 restrictions, distrust in the government, bipartisan gridlock, and especially the increasing ideological polarization between democrats and republicans are all cited as contributors to the lower score.”

All countries on the top 10 list are by American measures more socialist than America, maybe with exception of Switzerland. The problem you mentioned with communist countries calling them selves Democratic (ex North Korea) is the exact same as with Christian values.
There are many Christian values, but neither the republicans or the democrats represents Christian values, they both say that of course, but they are just trying to bait Christian voters.
They make you fight over gay rights and abortion while they are sending all the money to special interests and the military contractors.

Both sides love this, they mostly agree anyways, they get money from the same donors, in return they reward the same donors with tax cuts.
You can say what you want to in regards to black people, that’s just conjectural changes it doesn’t change the fact that Trump is a racist, an imposter, fake Christian, corrupt and undemocratic.

I don’t have many great things to say about Biden, except he seems friendly unlike Trump. They probably both work for the devil.
 
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This is what hypocrisy looks like:
Stacey Abrams slammed for maskless pic surrounded by masked kids
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Ben Kesslen
February 6, 2022
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Stacey Abrams slammed for maskless pic surrounded by masked kids

Masks for thee but not for me.

Maskless Obama Meets with Architects Working on His New Multimillion Dollar Hawaii Beachfront Mansion
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Maskless Obama Meets with Architects Working on His New Multimillion Dollar Hawaii Beachfront Mansion

just sayin..
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Im about to show my ignorance here, but whoopi goldberg got suspended from her show for 2 weeks because of what she said about the holocaust. And the question that i had was, are jews a race or religion??
If someone said they were a hebrew, isnt that the same as being jewish?

God DIVIDED men. Hebrews and Gentiles.
Hebrews were given a LAWFUL RELIGION Called MOSAIC LAW.
God DIVIDED men. Hebrew 12 TRIBES of ISRAEL and Gentiles.
12 TRIBES of ISRAEL divided themselves FROM amongst themselves.
Gentiles divided themselves FROM amongst themselves.
Divided Gentiles made up their own ‘gods’ and religions.
OF the Divided TRIBES, some KEPT Mosaic Law, some accepted Gentile ‘gods’.
OF the Divided TRIBES, those who KEPT Mosaic LAW, were primarily the
....the TRIBE of JUDAH, and a portion of the Tribe of Benjamin.
....men of the TRIBE of JUDAH, were called JEWS.
....men of the TRIBE of JUDAH, called Jews, Keeping their Mosaic Religion,
....began calling their RELIGION...JEWISH Religion.
The majority of the OTHER 10 TRIBES were scattered amongst the Gentiles lands, (wars a primary factor).
....Heritage records of Tribesmen often DESTROYED. Tribesmen in Gentile controlled lands, typically treated as a lessor status in society.
....Scattered Tribesmen heritage knowledge for centuries has been Family Oral history. Some adopted Gentile society ways, and blended in the Gentile societies. Some kept their Mosaic Law, widely being called the JEWISH Religion, and continued to Practice their Religion privately in their homes, in their Synagogs. Some did not. The Same continues to this day.
....* men of Tribal Ancestry, practicing their Religion primarily call the Jewish Religion, which falls UNDER the auspice of MOSAIC LAW.
....* Gentile men (some), accepting Jews as friends, neighbors, co-workers, without regard to their Religious Practices.
...* Gentile men (some), having a STRONG DISLIKE (which is hate), Against Anyone whose heritage is of any of the 12 Tribes of Israel (today all calling themselves Broadly....JEWS)...and are called anti-Semitic.

(Semitic relates to Something VERY Ancient, typically closely associated with person whose Ancient history traces back to communication of their Ancient Language.)

ARE JEWS a “RACE”? Yes.
....a RACE is a DIVISION. Division is the KEY term.
Heritages, bloodlines, religions, appearances, nations, citizenships, etc. are all DIVISIONS. It does not mean ONE is SUPERIOR to the OTHER....it simply means there ARE identifiable DIFFERENCES.
....JEWS, are Hebrew Tribesmen, are Israel, are a Nation, Are Jews, Were Given Mosaic Law, Agreed to abide by Mosaic Law, WERE DIVIDED BY God.......FROM Gentiles.
....GENTILES, are NOT Hebrew Tribesmen, NOT Israel, NOT a Nation, NOT Jews, Were NOT Given Mosaic Law.

Ex 8:
[23] And I will put a division between my people and thy people: to morrow shall this sign be.

WHO is “my people” and “thy people”?

Moses was; Gods people; who became known as; the Hebrews, Tribesmen, Jews.
Pharaoh was; NOT Gods people; who became known as: the Gentiles.

Ex 8:
[1] And the LORD spake unto Moses, Go unto Pharaoh, and say unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Let my people go, that they may serve me.
 
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This is what hypocrisy looks like:

just sayin..
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Yep....shinning the spotlight on FRAUDS.

Nothing new. It’s The Pharisee Syndrome....Dead mans bones.
Religious....or Politicos ...
DO as WE SAY....NOT AS WE DO!

We use to have Statesmen....today we have prideful...
POLI- one of many
TICS- blood sucking creatures

Remember ... the LIFE of a mans BODY ... IS his BLOOD ... and the long sitting politicos want your life.

Nothing new, for the devious to mimic God.
God REQUIRES a mans BLOOD/LIFE....and MAKES the man ANEW FOREVER.
FRAUDS want your BLOOD/LIFE..........and you’re DEAD FOREVER.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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I’m not a liberal, communist, believer in conservatism, nationalism, capitalism or any manmade system of thought. I follow Jesus. The problem of today is that too many Christians decide to let ideology guide them. Give in to God and kneel, give up on your thoughts about politics.
I've done that already, just speaking the truth when it comes to Race and who gets a pass for being a certain color or ethnicity and how everyone doesn't get treated the same, and I'll keep saying it, Whoopi Goldberg is a hate mongering person, so much so that you can see it in her face.
 

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Truth is truth, whether we like it or not. So here is what you need to remember:

"In 1924, the US Congress passed new immigration laws. These laws set limits on annual immigration to the United States. A quota system, organized by country of origin, gave preference to immigrants from northern and western Europe. Those from southern and eastern Europe, where the vast majority of Europe’s Jews lived, were at a disadvantage. These laws were based in part on widely accepted theories of “eugenic science” and beliefs about the hierarchy of racial and national groups. The United States did not have a substantive refugee policy during this period. Those fleeing persecution were subjected to the same procedures as other immigrants."
How did the United States government and American people respond to Nazism?
People of Southern Europe are white just like those of Northern, Western and Eastern Europe, so how could they be frowned upon, and the Jews weren't only in Southern Europe but also many in Russia and Poland.
 

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It did happen although many in our country would not advertise it:

SS St Louis: The ship of Jewish refugees nobody wanted


By Mike Lanchin
BBC World Service

Published
13 May 2014
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Image caption,
Gerald Granston (right) on the deck of the St Louis

On 13 May 1939, more than 900 Jews fled Germany aboard a luxury cruise liner, the SS St Louis. They hoped to reach Cuba and then travel to the US - but were turned away in Havana and forced to return to Europe, where more than 250 were killed by the Nazis.

"It was really something to be going on a luxury liner," says Gisela Feldman. "We didn't really know where we were heading, or how we would cope when we got there."

At the age of 90, Feldman still clearly remembers the raw and mixed emotions she felt as a 15-year-old girl boarding the St Louis at Hamburg docks with her mother and younger sister.

"I was always aware of how anxious my mother looked, embarking on such a long journey, on her own with two teenage daughters," she says.

In the years following the rise to power of Hitler's Nazi party, ordinary Jewish families like Feldman's had been left in no doubt about the increasing dangers they were facing.


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15-year-old Gisela Feldman on the St Louis
Jewish properties had been confiscated, synagogues and businesses burned down. After Feldman's Polish father was arrested and deported to Poland her mother decided it was time to leave.

Feldman remembers her father pleading with her mother to wait for him to return but her mother was adamant and always replied: "I have to take the girls away to safety."

So, armed with visas for Cuba which she had bought in Berlin, 10 German marks in her purse and another 200 hidden in her underclothes, she headed for Hamburg and the St Louis.

"We were fortunate that my mother was so brave," says Feldman with a note of pride in her voice.

Tearful relatives waved them off at the station in Berlin. "They knew we would never see each other again," she says softly. "We were the lucky ones - we managed to get out." She would never see her father or more than 30 other close family members again.

By early 1939, the Nazis had closed most of Germany's borders and many countries had imposed quotas limiting the number of Jewish refugees they would allow in.

Cuba was seen as a temporary transit point to get to America and officials at the Cuban embassy in Berlin were offering visas for about $200 or $300 each - $3,000 to $5,000 (£1,800 to £3,000) at today's prices.


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When six-year-old Gerald Granston was told by his father that they were leaving their small town in southern Germany to take a ship to the other side of the world, he struggled to understand what that meant.

"I'd never heard of Cuba and I couldn't imagine what was going to happen. I remember being scared all the time," he says, now aged 81.

For many of the young passengers and their parents however, the trepidation and anxiety soon faded as the St Louis began its two-week transatlantic voyage.

Feldman, who shared a cabin in the lower part of the ship with her sister Sonja, spent her time walking around the deck chatting with boys of her own age, or swimming in the ship's pool.

On board, there was a dance band in the evenings and even a cinema. There were regular meals with a variety of food that the passengers rarely saw back home.

Under orders from the ship's captain, Gustav Schroder, the waiters and crew members treated the passengers politely, in stark contrast to the open hostility Jewish families had become accustomed to under the Nazis.


The captain allowed traditional Friday night prayers to be held, during which he gave permission for the portrait of Adolf Hitler hanging in the main dining room to be taken down.

Six-year-old Sol Messinger, who was travelling with his father and mother, recalls how happy everyone seemed. In fact, he says, the youngsters were constantly being told by the adults that they were now safe from harm: "We're going away," he heard people say again and again on that outward journey. "We don't have to look over our shoulders any more."

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But as the luxury liner reached the coast of Havana on 27 May, that sense of optimism disappeared to be replaced by fear, then dread.

Granston was up on deck with his father and dozens of other families, their suitcases packed and ready to disembark, when the Cuban officials, all smiles, first came aboard.

It quickly became clear that the ship was not going to dock and that no-one was being allowed off. He kept hearing the words "manana, manana" - tomorrow, tomorrow. When the Cubans left and the ship's captain announced that people would have to wait, he could feel, even as a little boy, that something was wrong.

For the next seven days, Captain Schroder tried in vain to persuade the Cuban authorities to allow them in. In fact, the Cubans had already decided to revoke all but a handful of the visas - probably out of fear of being inundated with more refugees fleeing Europe.

The captain then steered the St Louis towards the Florida coast, but the US authorities also refused it the right to dock, despite direct appeals to President Franklin Roosevelt. Granston thinks he too was worried about the potential flood of migrants.

By early June, Captain Schroder had no option but to turn the giant liner back towards Europe. "The joy had gone out of everything," Feldman recalls. "No-one was talking about what would happen now."

As the ship headed back across the Atlantic, six-year-old Granston kept asking his father whether they were going back to see their grandparents. His father just shook his head in silent despair.

By then, people were openly crying as they wandered the ship - one passenger even slit his wrists and threw himself overboard out of sheer desperation. "If I close my eyes, I can still hear his shrieks and see the blood," Granston says quietly.

In the end, the ship's passengers did not have to go back to Nazi Germany. Instead, Belgium, France, Holland and the UK agreed to take the refugees. The American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC) posted a cash guarantee of $500,000 - or $8 million (£4.7m) in today's money - as part of an agreement to cover any associated costs.

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Captain Schroder's letter thanking the JDC for arranging visas for the passengers
On 17 June, the liner docked at the Belgian port of Antwerp, more than a month after it had set sail from Hamburg. Feldman, her mother and sisters all went on to England, as did Granston and his father.

They both survived the war but between them they lost scores of relatives in the Holocaust, including Feldman's father who never managed to get out of Poland.

Messinger and his parents went to live in France but then had to flee the Nazis for a second time, leaving just six weeks before Hitler invaded.

Two-hundred-and-fifty-four other passengers from the St Louis were not so fortunate and were killed as the Nazis swept across Western Europe.

Gisela Feldman, Gerald Granston and Sol Messinger spoke to Witness - which airs weekdays on BBC World Service radio.


This is not a new story. I knew about it decades ago, but it was not in any of my schoolbooks. The above posted story was the first one that came up on an Internet search. I copied and pasted it. There are lots of other sources for this kind of information.
Yes I've heard of this story, but it was Cuba not America who turned them away, blame the Cubans.
 
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I've done that already, just speaking the truth when it comes to Race and who gets a pass for being a certain color or ethnicity and how everyone doesn't get treated the same, and I'll keep saying it, Whoopi Goldberg is a hate mongering person, so much so that you can see it in her face.

Whoopi Goldberg might be, I don’t know her heart and I certainly don’t agree with many of her opinions. I’m not saying that you are wrong that there is a distorted justice in society. When it comes to the media it’s harder to be a white anchor than I black one, when it comes to what you can say without being canceled. I just disagree that someone should be fired for being misinformed regardless of color and I don’t know if Whoopi knew that she wasn’t telling the truth. We won’t experience justice until Jesus return. We shouldn’t aim for earthly justice, we should aim for mercy.
I also feel bad for white presenters when their ignorance or miseducation get’s them canceled. I don’t rejoice in Whoopi’s errors, or in any white mans errors. I wish we could have a culture of mercy, so that’s what I practice.
Happy that you’ve given your life to Jesus @JohnPaul then we are more similar than we might think.
I don’t disagree that this world is unfair, but we are only putting out small fires, if we try to manage peoples behavior or punishments for such. We should let our light shine so they might find that our way is the right and true way. They can’t deny the truth but they need to see it.
I believe the gospel spreads best, not by force, but by fascination. They need to see Jesus in you to believe that God is real. This world is already going down and we are lying to ourself if we think we can do anything about it, we can only spread the word as much as possible in until then.
 
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Yes I've heard of this story, but it was Cuba not America who turned them away, blame the Cubans.
You apparently did not read the following in that article:

"The captain then steered the St Louis towards the Florida coast, but the US authorities also refused it the right to dock, despite direct appeals to President Franklin Roosevelt."
 
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You apparently did not read the following in that article:

"The captain then steered the St Louis towards the Florida coast, but the US authorities also refused it the right to dock, despite direct appeals to President Franklin Roosevelt."
The Danish ambassador to America was spreading propaganda about Danish disobedience to The German rule and how our king threaded the Germans, so they didn’t step on his property. Most of the things told to America was straight lies, but we were considered allies because of those lies, and because the Danish resistance helped the British soldiers plan and target stuff here.
We also sank our navy, so the Germans wouldn’t use it. At first we actually had a cooperation policy when we were occupied. That’s never in our movies about the war, it’s mostly about someone in the resistance. Most people in the Danish resistance was communists but that fact is also often hidden from the stories.