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Charles Templeton's *Farewell to God*

The book you mentioned, *Farewell to God*, is a work by Canadian author Charles Templeton (1915-2001). He was once a highly influential Christian evangelist who later turned to doubt and ultimately abandoned his faith. This book is an honest record and reflection on that spiritual journey.

Here is the key information about this book:

| Item | Information |
| :--- | :--- |
| **Title** | *Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith* |
| **Author** | Charles Templeton |
| **First Published** | 1996 (McClelland and Stewart, Canada) |
| **ISBN** | 0-7710-8422-6 (Hardcover) / 9780771085086 (Paperback) |
| **Pages** | 233 / 248 (different editions) |

### About the Author: From Evangelist to Skeptic

To understand this book, one must first appreciate the extraordinary background of its author, Charles Templeton:

- **A Former Evangelism Star**: In the 1950s, Charles Templeton was an enormously successful evangelist in North America, once as famous and a close associate of the renowned evangelist Billy Graham. His crusades could attract up to 30,000 people each night.
- **The Turning Point of a Crisis of Faith**: However, he began to develop deep-seated doubts about the historical authenticity of the Old Testament and the core doctrines of Christianity. Unable to find satisfactory answers to these questions, he ultimately resigned from the ministry in 1957, parted ways with Billy Graham, and embarked on a path of doubt and, eventually, rejection of faith.
- **A Multifaceted Career Transition**: After leaving the religious field, Templeton transitioned into media and literature, becoming the Managing Editor of *The Toronto Star*, the Editor-in-Chief of *Maclean's* magazine, and a prolific author.

### ✍️ Core Content and Themes

*Farewell to God* is Templeton's comprehensive summary of his transformation of faith. In clear and straightforward language, he systematically presents the multiple reasons for his rejection of the Christian faith. The book primarily explores the following themes:

- **Critique of the Bible**: He argues that the God depicted in the Old Testament is capricious, vengeful, jealous, and unjust—a stark contrast to the loving God many modern Christians profess to believe in. He also views the creation story in Genesis as a "myth," inconsistent with scientific facts.
- **Questioning the Church and Its Doctrines**: The book critiques the authority of the church, the role of the clergy, and what he saw as the secondary status of women within the church. He also grapples with the "theodicy" problem—the existence of evil and suffering in a world created by a good and all-powerful God—and argues that the efficacy of prayer is an illusion.
- **A Complex View of Jesus**: Despite abandoning theological faith, Templeton retained a profound respect for the historical figure of Jesus. In an interview late in his life (in his 80s) with author Lee Strobel, he still described Jesus as "the greatest human being who has ever lived," a "moral genius," and stated that everything good, decent, and pure he knew he had learned from Jesus. He even emotionally confessed, "I miss him."
- **Final Stance**: At the book's conclusion, Templeton summarizes his position with a positive personal statement—"I Believe"—outlining the values and life principles he holds as a non-believer.

The book sparked widespread discussion and controversy upon its publication. Some reviewers praised it for exhibiting "rare intellectual honesty" and considered it "the best layman's initial assessment of Christianity." Critics, however, argued that the book's arguments were overly simplistic and failed to engage seriously with complex theological defenses. From a Christian apologetics perspective, it was also viewed as the tragic testimony of an apostate.

If you are interested in this book, it is advisable to consult materials from different perspectives to gain a more comprehensive understanding of this profound exploration of faith.

As the search results provided limited details on the specific arguments within the book, do you have more specific questions? For instance, would you like to know his interpretation of a particular biblical story, or are you interested in learning about some theological responses that counter his points?
 
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I think it was real for him.
But in time he encountered questions that led him away.

I encountered questions but decided to stay.
What questions hit him between the eyes?

Just one or two should suffice...

thanks...
 

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What questions hit him between the eyes?

Just one or two should suffice...

thanks...
Apologies.
I don't know the whole story.

The video in post one #1
indicates issues with biblical inerrancy initially,
which led to liberal theology, which led to him leaving the church.

In my case, I checked in with a pastor friend I met on this forum and
told him about my concerns. The trajectory I was on pointed to atheism.
He helped me to understand that was an over-reaction on the part of those who did that.

That was very helpful for me. I have managed to avoid going that far.
 
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Apologies.
I don't know the whole story.

The video in post one #1
indicates issues with biblical inerrancy initially,
which led to liberal theology, which led to him leaving the church.

In my case, I checked in with a pastor friend I met on this forum and
told him about my concerns. The trajectory I was on pointed to atheism.
He helped me to understand that was an over-reaction on the part of those who did that.

That was very helpful for me. I have managed to avoid going that far.
All I remember about him was him coming out with heretical teachings that were being condemned by Christianity.
Weird stuff. It looked to me that he was never in the faith, but was only a troublemaker.

You sure you got the same guy?

I know that if I threw at baby Christians some of the things that confounded me as I matured (that I later resolved) it would make those young ones wanting to quit, to quit. That is what he is doing.
 
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Wikipedia knows!
Some were quoting 1 John 2:19 to say he was never one of us.
Doesn't seem to be true. Seems very dismissive to me.

1 John 2:19 NIV
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
 

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Some were quoting 1 John 2:19 to say he was never one of us.
Doesn't seem to be true. Seems very dismissive to me.

1 John 2:19 NIV
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
When you are a Christian, born again from above, your Faith in Christ grows stronger as you age. This is what Apostle Paul is saying here:

2 Corinthians 4:16 - Therefore we do not lose heart, but though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.

So, when someone says they grow away from God shows they never were of God..

1 John 5:10 - The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has given concerning His Son.
 

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Charles Templeton's *Farewell to God*

The book you mentioned, *Farewell to God*, is a work by Canadian author Charles Templeton (1915-2001). He was once a highly influential Christian evangelist who later turned to doubt and ultimately abandoned his faith. This book is an honest record and reflection on that spiritual journey.

Here is the key information about this book:

| Item | Information |
| :--- | :--- |
| **Title** | *Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith* |
| **Author** | Charles Templeton |
| **First Published** | 1996 (McClelland and Stewart, Canada) |
| **ISBN** | 0-7710-8422-6 (Hardcover) / 9780771085086 (Paperback) |
| **Pages** | 233 / 248 (different editions) |

### About the Author: From Evangelist to Skeptic

To understand this book, one must first appreciate the extraordinary background of its author, Charles Templeton:

- **A Former Evangelism Star**: In the 1950s, Charles Templeton was an enormously successful evangelist in North America, once as famous and a close associate of the renowned evangelist Billy Graham. His crusades could attract up to 30,000 people each night.
- **The Turning Point of a Crisis of Faith**: However, he began to develop deep-seated doubts about the historical authenticity of the Old Testament and the core doctrines of Christianity. Unable to find satisfactory answers to these questions, he ultimately resigned from the ministry in 1957, parted ways with Billy Graham, and embarked on a path of doubt and, eventually, rejection of faith.
- **A Multifaceted Career Transition**: After leaving the religious field, Templeton transitioned into media and literature, becoming the Managing Editor of *The Toronto Star*, the Editor-in-Chief of *Maclean's* magazine, and a prolific author.

### ✍️ Core Content and Themes

*Farewell to God* is Templeton's comprehensive summary of his transformation of faith. In clear and straightforward language, he systematically presents the multiple reasons for his rejection of the Christian faith. The book primarily explores the following themes:

- **Critique of the Bible**: He argues that the God depicted in the Old Testament is capricious, vengeful, jealous, and unjust—a stark contrast to the loving God many modern Christians profess to believe in. He also views the creation story in Genesis as a "myth," inconsistent with scientific facts.
- **Questioning the Church and Its Doctrines**: The book critiques the authority of the church, the role of the clergy, and what he saw as the secondary status of women within the church. He also grapples with the "theodicy" problem—the existence of evil and suffering in a world created by a good and all-powerful God—and argues that the efficacy of prayer is an illusion.
- **A Complex View of Jesus**: Despite abandoning theological faith, Templeton retained a profound respect for the historical figure of Jesus. In an interview late in his life (in his 80s) with author Lee Strobel, he still described Jesus as "the greatest human being who has ever lived," a "moral genius," and stated that everything good, decent, and pure he knew he had learned from Jesus. He even emotionally confessed, "I miss him."
- **Final Stance**: At the book's conclusion, Templeton summarizes his position with a positive personal statement—"I Believe"—outlining the values and life principles he holds as a non-believer.

The book sparked widespread discussion and controversy upon its publication. Some reviewers praised it for exhibiting "rare intellectual honesty" and considered it "the best layman's initial assessment of Christianity." Critics, however, argued that the book's arguments were overly simplistic and failed to engage seriously with complex theological defenses. From a Christian apologetics perspective, it was also viewed as the tragic testimony of an apostate.

If you are interested in this book, it is advisable to consult materials from different perspectives to gain a more comprehensive understanding of this profound exploration of faith.

As the search results provided limited details on the specific arguments within the book, do you have more specific questions? For instance, would you like to know his interpretation of a particular biblical story, or are you interested in learning about some theological responses that counter his points?
Why should someone who is leaving Christianity want to make it known to Christians?

Ulterior motive.

He does not want you having what he can not have, and tried to.
 
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Why should someone who is leaving Christianity want to make it known to Christians?

Ulterior motive.

He does not want you having what he can not have, and tried to.
Probably feels that he is well-intentioned in sounding the alarm.
 

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Probably feels that he is well-intentioned in sounding the alarm.
So what?
Boring...
Nothing's new.

Predictable to angels, watching and seeing the vanity and futility of the ways and rationalizations of how evil denies reality,
and then crawls into its usual shell of a self-defensive position. Angels know that vanity can't win.

We are a part of a much bigger picture that has been warring for possibly even a million years.
False teachers come and go.

Just when it starts to become painfully boring to see history repeating itself?
That is when the Rapture will beak all things loose.

Grace and peace .....
 

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Some were quoting 1 John 2:19 to say [Bart Ehrman] was never one of us.
Doesn't seem to be true. Seems very dismissive to me.

1 John 2:19 NIV
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
I don't think there's a way to really tell. Ehrman was one of (perhaps the most?) respected Biblical scholar in the world for some time.

Certainly his life and energies were spent in service of understanding the Bible. That he ultimately rejected the existence of a benevolent God is troubling.
 

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Charles Templeton's *Farewell to God*

The book you mentioned, *Farewell to God*, is a work by Canadian author Charles Templeton (1915-2001). He was once a highly influential Christian evangelist who later turned to doubt and ultimately abandoned his faith. This book is an honest record and reflection on that spiritual journey.

Here is the key information about this book:

| Item | Information |
| :--- | :--- |
| **Title** | *Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith* |
| **Author** | Charles Templeton |
| **First Published** | 1996 (McClelland and Stewart, Canada) |
| **ISBN** | 0-7710-8422-6 (Hardcover) / 9780771085086 (Paperback) |
| **Pages** | 233 / 248 (different editions) |

### About the Author: From Evangelist to Skeptic

To understand this book, one must first appreciate the extraordinary background of its author, Charles Templeton:

- **A Former Evangelism Star**: In the 1950s, Charles Templeton was an enormously successful evangelist in North America, once as famous and a close associate of the renowned evangelist Billy Graham. His crusades could attract up to 30,000 people each night.
- **The Turning Point of a Crisis of Faith**: However, he began to develop deep-seated doubts about the historical authenticity of the Old Testament and the core doctrines of Christianity. Unable to find satisfactory answers to these questions, he ultimately resigned from the ministry in 1957, parted ways with Billy Graham, and embarked on a path of doubt and, eventually, rejection of faith.
- **A Multifaceted Career Transition**: After leaving the religious field, Templeton transitioned into media and literature, becoming the Managing Editor of *The Toronto Star*, the Editor-in-Chief of *Maclean's* magazine, and a prolific author.

### ✍️ Core Content and Themes

*Farewell to God* is Templeton's comprehensive summary of his transformation of faith. In clear and straightforward language, he systematically presents the multiple reasons for his rejection of the Christian faith. The book primarily explores the following themes:

- **Critique of the Bible**: He argues that the God depicted in the Old Testament is capricious, vengeful, jealous, and unjust—a stark contrast to the loving God many modern Christians profess to believe in. He also views the creation story in Genesis as a "myth," inconsistent with scientific facts.
- **Questioning the Church and Its Doctrines**: The book critiques the authority of the church, the role of the clergy, and what he saw as the secondary status of women within the church. He also grapples with the "theodicy" problem—the existence of evil and suffering in a world created by a good and all-powerful God—and argues that the efficacy of prayer is an illusion.
- **A Complex View of Jesus**: Despite abandoning theological faith, Templeton retained a profound respect for the historical figure of Jesus. In an interview late in his life (in his 80s) with author Lee Strobel, he still described Jesus as "the greatest human being who has ever lived," a "moral genius," and stated that everything good, decent, and pure he knew he had learned from Jesus. He even emotionally confessed, "I miss him."
- **Final Stance**: At the book's conclusion, Templeton summarizes his position with a positive personal statement—"I Believe"—outlining the values and life principles he holds as a non-believer.

The book sparked widespread discussion and controversy upon its publication. Some reviewers praised it for exhibiting "rare intellectual honesty" and considered it "the best layman's initial assessment of Christianity." Critics, however, argued that the book's arguments were overly simplistic and failed to engage seriously with complex theological defenses. From a Christian apologetics perspective, it was also viewed as the tragic testimony of an apostate.

If you are interested in this book, it is advisable to consult materials from different perspectives to gain a more comprehensive understanding of this profound exploration of faith.

As the search results provided limited details on the specific arguments within the book, do you have more specific questions? For instance, would you like to know his interpretation of a particular biblical story, or are you interested in learning about some theological responses that counter his points?
Is this AI answer?
 
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Some were quoting 1 John 2:19 to say he was never one of us.
Doesn't seem to be true. Seems very dismissive to me.

1 John 2:19 NIV
They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us.
For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
It is a two-way street.....

It is not a simple mathematical formula. He may have gone out from you, because once he matured enough to know what is going on, he realized that you were going nowhere, and left. Now you become the insulted.
 
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Bible scholars are leaving Christianity in droves. Why?
Not because they don't understand the Bible, obviously. (they're Bible scholars)

- Do you have to be Christian to believe in God?
- Do you have to agree with the institutional church's positions to believe in God?






Previous topic on this subject.
A few could leave; but really, they were never spiritually transformed. There are tens of thousands of Christian scholars just in the English language.
The Body of Christ is in tact with 2.7 billion believers. As Jesus said in the Parable of the Sower of Seed. Some seed always falls on shallow soil and never takes deep root. Some on Rocky soil and is stolen away quickly ... by Satan.

While listening to the first two of these scholars ( then that was enough - I stopped listening), I found some things in common. Neither one mentioned Jesus Christ once. They avoided His name. We are told that when Jesus' name is mentioned, the Devil flees.
The other common trait among many who do not have the Lord is they are not happy. Look at their faces, how they communicate, their disposition. They do not possess the real joy of the Lord ( which is obviously missing) and they are desperate to find it. It's elusive to them and confounds them. They will tell you otherwise; that they have more meaning and feeling of purpose in life than before, (which the podcast host claims now), but you can see his purpose ...desperate to seek others to justify his stance, confirm his belief. He needs a support group. He doesn't want to walk this path alone, so he searches for like-minded scholars - that will do it - they think. Birds of a feather flock together. No? it won't satisfy! Whether they will admit it or not, there will have this empty void they can't fill, that missing part of life - which is the source of life itself.
Wait and see, when the Great Tribulatuon finally comes and they are left behind. Fear will suddenly strike, a chill up their spine ... depression, then anger towards themselves or maybe they'll try to blame others or even God, now that they realize their error.
I remember the Jesus Seminar. These were so called Christian scholars who tried to distort the Bible and historical Jesus. Just because they have degrees, doesn't mean they can discern scripture. Without the Spirit, you can only get a superficial understanding - nonspiritual depth.
No one who is a Temple of the Holy Spirit and has an intimate relationship with Christ would ever walk away from that.

These so called scholars amd/or any who claim to have been Christians and left the faith are tares among the wheat. A tare was never wheat, it only temporarily blends in and may look like wheat, but it is a weed and in the end _ will be pulled out, gathered up and thrown into the fire.
Faith is a gift and those who really receive it, hold on tightly to it and cherish it forever.
 
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How can you make such a claim?
The Word of God answers that question.

1 Corinthians 2:14 - But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Ephesians 4:17-18 - This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;
 

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How can you make such a claim?
I love the Lord, value my salvation more than anything and would not nor could ever choose to reject it. When the Holy Spirit resides in you, He confirms His presense, loves you, guides you, answers prayers, communes with your spirit, etc., etc., etc. These people are lost and always have been! I am OSAS adherent. Faith is a gift and God makes no mistakes. He knows the beginning from the end. JESUS IS THE AUTHOR OF OUR FAITH. It is like implying the author of a story about a character he created and in the middle of the story, the fictional character just decides not to partake in his story and this takes the author by surprise and he just can't figure what happened.
Additionally, true Christians love Jesus and experience His love in return. You just don't abandon that love once you have it, it is precious. And to think that it doesn't really exist constitutes a void that was never really filled.
 
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