All I had to demonstrate is that not all bowing is worship, something you failed to grasp. Using bold font didn't help.
No one is forbidden to marry in the Catholic Church, with exceptions such as to family members, coercion, living in common law, etc. Priests cannot marry because they choose not to, and have made solemn vows to God to remain single for the sake of the kingdom. You need to read the story of the rich young man.
If an atheist university professor chooses to remain single so he can dedicate his life to his work, the world admires his dedication. But if a Christian chooses to dedicate his entire life, including his sexuality to God, suddenly its demonic. Yea, I hear you.
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony" means the written word is equal with the spoken word, something you deny. This verse backfires on you. You also deny the importance of oral tradition in Judaism, because your man made cult is more removed from Judaism than is Protestantism.
2 Timothy 3:12-17
[12] Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
[13] while evil men and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived.
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition) knowing from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
[15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (Scriptures)
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Note verse 14. It admonishes Timothy to do three things:
1) Remember what you have learned and firmly believed (Tradition)
2) Know from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
3) Know you have the Scriptures
The Bible on St. Paul's list comes in third, not first. He actually gives here the traditional Catholic teaching on the three sources of sound teaching.
In verse 15 he goes into an excursus on the Bible. This brief excursus emphasizes the value of the Bible and recommends a fourfold method of exegesis. This verse was used in the pre-Deformation Church as a proof text for the Quadriga which was the standard Catholic approach to the Bible. The Quadriga method used the following four categories:
Literal/Literary (teaching) - the text as it is written
Analogical (reproof) - matters of faith
Anagogical (correction) - matters of hope/prophecy
Moral (training in righteousness) - matters of charity
The analogical, anagogical and moral senses of the Bible were known collectively as the spiritual senses.
The 'reformers' rejected the BIBLICAL fourfold method of exegesis in favor of a more literal approach, and ignored 2 Tim 3:12-17.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal." 83
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
(1) The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism. 84
(2) The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction". 85
(3) The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem. 86
118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny. 87
You can't expose something you have pre-invented.
I have to speak in general terms when discussing reformist heresies. Being specific is hard to do with thousands of conflicitng Protestant denoms all having the Holy Spirit leading them. Few in here want to reveal what set of doctrines they follow. It's even worse when you have individual non-denominationalists each with their own set of doctrines, most of which don't make any sense. The "me, the Bible and the Holy Spirit" mentality. But I had you pegged as a SDA a long time ago. Besides, if I am guilty of Protestant bashing, quote me or knock off the slander.
Seventh-Day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-Day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-Day Adventism. SDA exposed. If you find something inaccurate, let me know.
Ellen White was an occultist who wrote by channeling, known by both Protestant and Catholic counsellors as demonic activity.
No, that's not all you had to show me. If you have proof that bowing in front of statues is okay, give me it. Show me where in the Bible, God sanctioned they bowed in front of statues. Period.
No one is forbidden to marry in the Catholic Church, with exceptions such as to family members, coercion, living in common law, etc. Priests cannot marry because they choose not to, and have made solemn vows to God to remain single for the sake of the kingdom. You need to read the story of the rich young man.
If an atheist university professor chooses to remain single so he can dedicate his life to his work, the world admires his dedication. But if a Christian chooses to dedicate his entire life, including his sexuality to God, suddenly its demonic. Yea, I hear you.
You 100% just proved my point on the marriage. Did I ever say there was something wrong with a Christian deciding not to marry? Or did I say it would demonic to forbid them to marry? I have to be very exact here, right now. You cannot forbid priests to marry. They took the vows, because your church has it set up that they take the vow, so they are forbidden to marry. It's not going to be obvious. One day the Pope isn't going to come in and be like "Hey you guys can't marry!". No, it's set up that way, so that you don't marry. This subtlety is what makes it very dangerous. This is why I say, be very exact right now. Only absolute plainness of speech will ever point out this churches errors. The church may have all the rights, and vows it wants. But it forbade it's preachers to marry, by implementing the celibacy vow. Period.
Isaiah 8:20 "To the law and to the testimony" means the written word is equal with the spoken word, something you deny. This verse backfires on you. You also deny the importance of oral tradition in Judaism, because your man made cult is more removed from Judaism than is Protestantism.
The spoken word must come according to the Bible. If it contradicts the Bible, it is because there is no light within the speaker. For that reason alone, the Word of God succeeds any oral tradition. Oral tradition in Judaism? You know Christ rebuked their traditions, because they placed their traditions in place of God's Word. Sort of like, how Catholic "Tradition" allows you to bow in front of statues, and tries to whipe the guilt away by telling you all bowing isn't worship.
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:1-9 KJV)
In a similar manner, it is taught that Catholics can bow before statues of their supposed leaders. Why does the church transgress the commandment of God by that tradition? God said not to bow before idols, did he not? Okay so, why does the church say it's okay to do. Where does the Bible say it's okay to bow before statues.
2 Timothy 3:12-17
[12] Indeed all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,
[13] while evil men and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceivers and deceived.
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition) knowing from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
[15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (Scriptures)
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Note verse 14. It admonishes Timothy to do three things:
1) Remember what you have learned and firmly believed (Tradition)
2) Know from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
3) Know you have the Scriptures
The Bible on St. Paul's list comes in third, not first. He actually gives here the traditional Catholic teaching on the three sources of sound teaching.
In verse 15 he goes into an excursus on the Bible. This brief excursus emphasizes the value of the Bible and recommends a fourfold method of exegesis. This verse was used in the pre-Deformation Church as a proof text for the Quadriga which was the standard Catholic approach to the Bible. The Quadriga method used the following four categories:
Literal/Literary (teaching) - the text as it is written
Analogical (reproof) - matters of faith
Anagogical (correction) - matters of hope/prophecy
Moral (training in righteousness) - matters of charity
The analogical, anagogical and moral senses of the Bible were known collectively as the spiritual senses.
The 'reformers' rejected the BIBLICAL fourfold method of exegesis in favor of a more literal approach, and ignored 2 Tim 3:12-17.
Catechism of the Catholic Church:
CCC115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal." 83
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
(1) The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism. 84
(2) The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction". 85
(3) The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem. 86
118 A medieval couplet summarizes the significance of the four senses:
The Letter speaks of deeds; Allegory to faith; The Moral how to act; Anagogy our destiny. 87
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:12-17 KJV)
The insertions you made, are simply man-made. The things that Timothy has learned do not come from some "oral tradition" as the Roman Catholic Doctrine would like to interject. The things which he has learned, all come from scripture. Just like the bereans who searched the scriptures daily, to see if the things brought to them were true. Now yes, someone does have to literally open their mouth and speak when teaching the Word of God. But this speaking, does not automatically make something an oral tradition. Those who accepted Jesus, accepted Him because they believed the scriptures, which testified of Him. As for whom he has learned them from, Paul is simply indicating the trustworthiness of what he has heard, and whom he has heard it from. Again, this "hearing" does not all of a sudden make something an oral tradition. Also, as you are putting it, Paul did list them, yes, but he was not listing something in order of importance. He later lists what scripture is important for - does he list it in an order of importance? Is doctrine more important than reproof? Is reproof more important than correction? Is correction more important than instructing in righteousness? No. Okay, so why is it an assumed list in a specified order there, but not so much down here?
As for the Literal approach, not every Protestant does that. There are many Protestants who will say one verse has completely literal, there will others who will say it's spiritual. We just do not take the same approach to something maybe a Roman Catholic would.
You can't expose something you have pre-invented.
I'm sure I did not come up with Catholic Dogma.
I have to speak in general terms when discussing reformist heresies. Being specific is hard to do with thousands of conflicitng Protestant denoms all having the Holy Spirit leading them. Few in here want to reveal what set of doctrines they follow. It's even worse when you have individual non-denominationalists each with their own set of doctrines, most of which don't make any sense. The "me, the Bible and the Holy Spirit" mentality. But I had you pegged as a SDA a long time ago. Besides, if I am guilty of Protestant bashing, quote me or knock off the slander.
Slander? Where have I slandered. Last time I checked, after my first post you alluded to me being filled with pride and then you said I was unteachable, and that I would run off to some "Anti-Catholic" site. So, if anyone out here is slandering, you are. I tried to come in peaceably, to have a good discussion. I tried to show my care for my human family, and it backfires, because the very next second, all i'm getting are these completely ridiculous accusations. So, you need to take your own advice on this subject, right now.
If Protestants do not want to reveal what doctrines they believe, I am sorry. I too have encountered certain problems where doctrines will not be laid out for me, and I am verbally assaulted, for questioning them, because I do not agree with the building up a prophecy, without a sure solid foundation.
You may have had me pegged as an SDA, but i'm sorry to inform you, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, who sometime recently had some of their churches just be called "Adventist". I am not part of a church that runs around in blatant apostasy, and pretends it's okay. And no, i'm not an "Adventist" either.
Seventh-Day Adventism cannot change its views on the Catholic Church being the Whore of Babylon without admitting that it was wrong on Sunday worship. It cannot admit that Sunday worship is not the mark of the beast without changing its views on the Jewish Sabbath. Seventh-Day Adventism cannot cease to be anti-Catholic without ceasing to be Seventh-Day Adventism. SDA exposed. If you find something inaccurate, let me know.
Ellen White was an occultist who wrote by channeling, known by both Protestant and Catholic counsellors as demonic activity.
Seventh Day Adventism actually does think they can change their views on the Catholic Church being the whore of Babylon. Surprised? So am I. One of their articles asserted that Jesus Christ hasn't come yet, so maybe the Catholic Church is "off the hook", and that maybe sometime another enitity will arise to fit all those prophecies.
However, it is not only Seventh Day Adventists that know because of the Roman Catholic Church, people worship on Sunday. Seriously, even the Roman Catholic Church admits there is no Biblical Foundation for Sunday. It is a purely Catholoc institution, which can be guarded by not the scriptures, but by Catholic rites.
Ellen White did not channel. Please, I would not believe that garbage if it came giftwrapped to me, in a sweet smelling box. It's still complete garbage.
I believe you would know what I mean though, I'm sure someone has brought up the Jesuit Oath to you. If you've seen it, you'd believe it's garbage. Now you understand where I'm coming from when I tell you, about Ellen White channeling, is pure garbage.
I've only looked at your page of encyclocils (spelling?) rather briefly. Still need to look at it more.