Why are Catholics so bad?

[epostle1]

I do have a very good case,

The Bible and the original Greek texts are the proof that catholics are wrong.
Where in the Bible are,
Purgatory.
Works for salvation.
Salvation by infant baptism.
Penance.
Works of satisfaction.
Mary, Ever sinless.
Mary, Ever virgin.
Mary, A co-redeemer.
Mary, A Co-interceeder.
Mary praying for us.
The departed saints praying for us.
Praying to Mary and the departed saints.
Pops.
priests.

Just to mention some of the eroneous catholic teachings.

This is not a question. However...

Welcome to ScriptureCatholic.com, one of the most comprehensive Catholic apologetics websites on the internet. ScriptureCatholic.com provides over 2,000 Scripture citations from the Old and New Testament that explain and defend the teachings of the Catholic Church.

This site also provides hundreds of excerpts from the writings of the early Church Fathers (1st through 8th centuries). These writings explain the Fathers' interpretation of Scripture and demonstrate that the early Church was unequivocally Catholic. Through the study of Scripture and the Church Fathers, we see that, not only is the Catholic faith biblical, Catholicism is Bible Christianity par excellence.

Because the Old and New Testament Scriptures are the divinely-revealed, written Word of God, Catholics venerate the Scriptures as they venerate the Lord's body. But Catholics do not believe that God has given us His divine Revelation in Christ exclusively through Scripture. Catholics also believe that God's Revelation comes to us through the Apostolic Tradition and teaching authority of the Church.

What Church? Scripture reveals this Church to be the one Jesus Christ built upon the rock of Saint Peter (Matt. 16:18). By giving Peter the keys of authority (Matt. 16:19), Jesus appointed Peter as the chief steward over His earthly kingdom (cf. Isaiah. 22:19-22). Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the apostles (Luke 22:32) and the earthly shepherd of Jesus' flock (John 21:15-17). Jesus further gave Peter, and the apostles and elders in union with him, the power to bind and loose in heaven what they bound and loosed on earth. (Matt. 16:19; 18:18). This teaching authority did not die with Peter and the apostles, but was transferred to future bishops through the laying on of hands (e.g., Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Tim. 4:14; 5:22; 2 Tim. 1:6).

By virtue of this divinely-appointed authority, the Catholic Church determined the canon of Scripture (what books belong in the Bible) at the end of the fourth century. We therefore believe in the Scriptures on the authority of the Catholic Church. After all, nothing in Scripture tells us what Scriptures are inspired, what books belong in the Bible, or that Scripture is the final authority on questions concerning the Christian faith. Instead, the Bible says that the Church, not the Scriptures, is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17). It is through the teaching authority and Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6; 1 Cor. 11:2) of this Church, who is guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,26; 16:13), that we know of the divine inspiration of the Scriptures, and the manifold wisdom of God. (cf. Ephesians 3:10).
I hope that this site gives Catholics the biblical and patristic knowledge they need to answer questions about their faith, and helps them rediscover the truth of their faith as taught by Sacred Scripture. I further pray that non-Catholics come to recognize that God's gift of salvation comes only through Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church. I also pray that each one of us grows more deeply in love with Jesus as we become better Bible Christians (or, rather, "Scripture Catholics").

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Alanforchrist has no case.

 

[Mungo]

Information about the Catholic Church is there for anyone who wants it.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Alanforchrist has no case.

AlanforChrist is also trying to impose an unbiblical and illogical format in the discussion, namely that of sola scriptura. This is a practice which is not taught in the Bible and therefore illogical to demand that it is followed.

It was not the practice of Jesus; it was not the practice of the apostles; it was not the practice of the early Church; it has not been the practice of the Catholic and Orthodox churches for 2,000 years.

It is my experience that people who produce lists such as AlanforChrist has done have no serious interest in dicussing any of the items, they are just Catholic bashing.

Their items normally fall into one or more of the following errors

1. Misunderstanding/distortion of Catholic teaching/practice (very common)

2. Misinterpretation of scripture and/or taking scripture out of context (also very common)

3. Logical fallacies

4. Ignorance of history

If they seriously wanted to discuss these points they could look at the links you provide and/or raise a thread, one issue at a time, explaining why they think something is wrong, with biblical support and asking for comments - and then be prepared to discuss it.

However that doesn't happen. AlanforChrist may prove me wrong in his case, but I doubt it.

 

[Alanforchrist]

This is not a question. However...

Welcome to ScriptureCatholic.com, one of the most comprehensive Catholic apologetics websites on the internet. ScriptureCatholic.com provides over 2,000 Scripture citations from the Old and New Testament that explain and defend the teachings of the Catholic Church.

This site also provides hundreds of excerpts from the writings of the early Church Fathers (1st through 8th centuries). These writings explain the Fathers' interpretation of Scripture and demonstrate that the early Church was unequivocally Catholic. Through the study of Scripture and the Church Fathers, we see that, not only is the Catholic faith biblical, Catholicism is Bible Christianity par excellence.

Because the Old and New Testament Scriptures are the divinely-revealed, written Word of God, Catholics venerate the Scriptures as they venerate the Lord's body. But Catholics do not believe that God has given us His divine Revelation in Christ exclusively through Scripture. Catholics also believe that God's Revelation comes to us through the Apostolic Tradition and teaching authority of the Church.

What Church? Scripture reveals this Church to be the one Jesus Christ built upon the rock of Saint Peter (Matt. 16:18). By giving Peter the keys of authority (Matt. 16:19), Jesus appointed Peter as the chief steward over His earthly kingdom (cf. Isaiah. 22:19-22). Jesus also charged Peter to be the source of strength for the rest of the apostles (Luke 22:32) and the earthly shepherd of Jesus' flock (John 21:15-17). Jesus further gave Peter, and the apostles and elders in union with him, the power to bind and loose in heaven what they bound and loosed on earth. (Matt. 16:19; 18:18). This teaching authority did not die with Peter and the apostles, but was transferred to future bishops through the laying on of hands (e.g., Acts 1:20; 6:6; 13:3; 8:18; 9:17; 1 Tim. 4:14; 5:22; 2 Tim. 1:6).

By virtue of this divinely-appointed authority, the Catholic Church determined the canon of Scripture (what books belong in the Bible) at the end of the fourth century. We therefore believe in the Scriptures on the authority of the Catholic Church. After all, nothing in Scripture tells us what Scriptures are inspired, what books belong in the Bible, or that Scripture is the final authority on questions concerning the Christian faith. Instead, the Bible says that the Church, not the Scriptures, is the pinnacle and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15) and the final arbiter on questions of the Christian faith (Matt. 18:17). It is through the teaching authority and Apostolic Tradition (2 Thess. 2:15; 3:6; 1 Cor. 11:2) of this Church, who is guided by the Holy Spirit (John 14:16,26; 16:13), that we know of the divine inspiration of the Scriptures, and the manifold wisdom of God. (cf. Ephesians 3:10).
I hope that this site gives Catholics the biblical and patristic knowledge they need to answer questions about their faith, and helps them rediscover the truth of their faith as taught by Sacred Scripture. I further pray that non-Catholics come to recognize that God's gift of salvation comes only through Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church. I also pray that each one of us grows more deeply in love with Jesus as we become better Bible Christians (or, rather, "Scripture Catholics").

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

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Information about the Catholic Church is there for anyone who wants it.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Alanforchrist has no case.

[1]There is no such thing as, Apostolic succession.
Acts 1: 20--26, Matthias suceded Judus to be an Apostle Who bare witness to the life, Ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus.
No one after them could be that kind of Apostles, Not even the Apostle Paul, And certainly there is no successor today.

Those who had hands laid on them in Acts 6: 1--6, were Deacons, Not Apostles, Philip became an Evangelist.

In Acts 13: 1--3, Paul and Barnabas were seperated to be Apostles, And they weren't successors to anyone.

Ananias in Acts 9: 17, Was just a normal disciple, V 10.
YOUR NOT DOING VERY WELL..ARE YOU??.

Of cause Minister can and should lay hands on people for impartating Ministries and gifts.



[2]Jesus never built His Church on Peter,
[A] Jesus never said, "Upon You Peter I will build My Church", DID HE??. NO..NO.., He said, "And upon THIS OTHER ROCK", I will build My Church.

If you read it in the Greek, It says,
"You are Peter, [Petros, A stone that is easily moved or shaken", And upon [PETRA, A solid foundation], I will build My Church.


[3]Jesus gave His Church the authority to bind and lose.

[4]catholics don't believe the scriptures has final authority, If they did, They wouldn't twist the scriptures Or add their own man made doctrines As I have shown.

AlanforChrist is also trying to impose an unbiblical and illogical format in the discussion, namely that of sola scriptura. This is a practice which is not taught in the Bible and therefore illogical to demand that it is followed.

It was not the practice of Jesus; it was not the practice of the apostles; it was not the practice of the early Church; it has not been the practice of the Catholic and Orthodox churches for 2,000 years.

It is my experience that people who produce lists such as AlanforChrist has done have no serious interest in dicussing any of the items, they are just Catholic bashing.

Their items normally fall into one or more of the following errors

1. Misunderstanding/distortion of Catholic teaching/practice (very common)

2. Misinterpretation of scripture and/or taking scripture out of context (also very common)

3. Logical fallacies

4. Ignorance of history

If they seriously wanted to discuss these points they could look at the links you provide and/or raise a thread, one issue at a time, explaining why they think something is wrong, with biblical support and asking for comments - and then be prepared to discuss it.

However that doesn't happen. AlanforChrist may prove me wrong in his case, but I doubt it.

The Bible does teach, Sola scriptura

God warns of the dangers of adding to His word, And God said if you add to his word ,Then you are a liar...


I know what the Bible teaches, And I know what the catholics teach, And I know they are not the same thing.
The reason catholics tell lies and say the Bible doesn't teach sola scriptura, WHICH IT DOES,, Is because they know their doctrines aren't in the Bible.

 

[Mungo]

[1]There is no such thing as, Apostolic succession.
Acts 1: 20--26, Matthias suceded Judus to be an Apostle Who bare witness to the life, Ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus.
No one after them could be that kind of Apostles, Not even the Apostle Paul, And certainly there is no successor today.

Those who had hands laid on them in Acts 6: 1--6, were Deacons, Not Apostles, Philip became an Evangelist.

In Acts 13: 1--3, Paul and Barnabas were seperated to be Apostles, And they weren't successors to anyone.

Ananias in Acts 9: 17, Was just a normal disciple, V 10.
YOUR NOT DOING VERY WELL..ARE YOU??.

Of cause Minister can and should lay hands on people for impartating Ministries and gifts.



[2]Jesus never built His Church on Peter,
[A] Jesus never said, "Upon You Peter I will build My Church", DID HE??. NO..NO.., He said, "And upon THIS OTHER ROCK", I will build My Church.

If you read it in the Greek, It says,
"You are Peter, [Petros, A stone that is easily moved or shaken", And upon [PETRA, A solid foundation], I will build My Church.


[3]Jesus gave His Church the authority to bind and lose.

[4]catholics don't believe the scriptures has final authority, If they did, They wouldn't twist the scriptures Or add their own man made doctrines As I have shown.





The Bible does teach, Sola scriptura

God warns of the dangers of adding to His word, And God said if you add to his word, Then you are a liar...[edited by the mod]


I know what the Bible teaches, And I know what the catholics teach, And I know they are not the same thing.
The reason catholics tell lies and say the Bible doesn't teach sola scriptura, WHICH IT DOES,, Is because they know their doctrines aren't in the Bible.

What a rant.

You have just demonstrated that you don't want to discuss anything.

P.S. Nowhere does the Bible teach sola scriptura. That practice wan't invented until the 16th century.

 

[Mungo]

This whole thread has been nothing but a denominational attack on Catholics from James Forthright's 83 "errors" via Axehead's 40 "errors" to Alanforchrist's somewhat smaller list (only 14)..

 

[Angelina]

This is the O/P

Why are Catholics bad? Everyone says they are, but I see no logical or scriptural reasoning behind it. Give me some instead of just saying that there a cult or something.

I believe that this poster's intention was to have reasonable discussion about why people perceive the Catholic Church to be bad or a cult or whatever they believe...
If there is nothing more constructive to be said however, then we need to agree to disagree and move on.
The other alternative is to lock this thread which would defeat the whole purpose of this opportunity to set things right [without attacking others personally]....

Blessings!!!

 

[epostle1]

CATHOLIC TEACHING ON SEX

Romance Without Regret

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=argCoLuUepo&feature=relmfu

 

[Alanforchrist]

What a rant.

You have just demonstrated that you don't want to discuss anything.

P.S. Nowhere does the Bible teach sola scriptura. That practice wan't invented until the 16th century. As I said Protestants are often ignorant of history

[1]What you mean is, I have just proved the catholics to be wrong.

[2]The scriptures does say "Not to add to God's word", To me that is "Sola scripotura",

And because catholics add to God's word, God says
catholics dispute and argue with God.

God judges ...And..they are in danger. As I have said, God warns of the dangers of adding to His word.

[Edited by the moderator]

 

[Angelina]

It is obvious that this thread is not going to get any better. Again, I would like to just re-iterate my belief that the O/Ps intention was not about judging another Church but inquiring why they were perceived in a certain way...This thread will be locked.

Perhaps readers may be able to glean something from these posts and decide for themselves... :huh:

Blessings!!!