Why are our ordained pastors so ignorant of Scripture?

[bbyrd009]

is it bc we all seek immortality, Death More Abundantly, so single mindedly?
I used to interview pastors, and I found that even among those who had figured it out, to a man they stated that they could never preach it in their "church."

 

[Willie T]

Now, that is going to take one heckuva lot more explaining.

 

[amadeus]

@bbyrd009
Perhaps first someone might clarify just what it means to ordain a person and what man, if any, is qualified to ordain another?

 

[Enoch111]

is it bc we all seek immortality, Death More Abundantly, so single mindedly?

Immortality is the EXACT OPPOSITE of "death more abundantly". So why would a pastor be ignorant if he failed to teach spiritual nonsense?

 

[bbyrd009]

Now, that is going to take one heckuva lot more explaining.

Um, roughly half of the pastors I talked to easily admitted that no one goes to heaven, Eternal is not Immortal, etc, even that Bible is not Word. I will confess that maybe 2 of the hundred or so had a plan to eventually bring their congregations to the knowledge, and seemed to be aware of the eventual consequences. This was like 30 years ago though, I imagine things have changed

 

[Willie T]

I think we first have to accept that "ordained" also means indoctrinated into a particular system of belief through which the usually fairly young and impressionable man has been both taught and hired as a representative of that particular denomination.

In other words, "You have been hired and are being paid by our money to tell it the way we say it is."

 

[amadeus]

I think we first have to accept that "ordained" also means indoctrinated into a particular system of belief through which the usually fairly young and impressionable man has been both taught and hired as a representative of that particular denomination.

In other words, "You have been hired and are being paid by our money to tell it the way we say it is."

And then thank God for the exceptions? That is those who refuse to be indoctrinated [brainwashed?]!

 

[Willie T]

And then thank God for the exceptions? That is those who refuse to be indoctrinated [brainwashed?]!

Unfortunately, in the "church system" we have cultivated, a young man cannot feed even himself, let alone a wife and future children unless he accepts selling ,to some degree, to that system.

 

[amadeus]

is it bc we all seek immortality, Death More Abundantly, so single mindedly?
I used to interview pastors, and I found that even among those who had figured it out, to a man they stated that they could never preach it in their "church."

I am glad you put 'their "church"' in quotation marks. Should you also have raised a question about what a pastor is these days? Is it the same as a shepherd of sheep? How many shepherd preach to their flock? How many of them are more concerned about keeping "their flock" for themselves than they are with getting God's message out to them?

 

[amadeus]

Unfortunately, in the "church system" we have cultivated, a young man cannot feed even himself, let alone a wife and future children unless he accepts selling out to some degree to that system.

What does it means to live by faith in God rather than by faith in men and what men can provide in the way of tithes or offerings or salaries? Do any of them really strive to live according to this?

"... It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matt 4:4

 

[bbyrd009]

I am glad you put 'their "church"' in quotation marks. Should you also have raised a question about what a pastor is these days? Is it the same as a shepherd of sheep? How many shepherd preach to their flock? How many of them are more concerned about keeping "their flock" for themselves than they are with getting God's message out to them?

Well, I wish I could say that about half did seem genuinely concerned, but then roughly half could not seem to find ten minutes more to even talk to me after I revealed my agenda. I was wearing suits then, drove a nice car, etc. but it was uniformly the more affluent pastors who had no time too

 

[Willie T]

Most Divinity students have a goal in mind of being hired by a church affiliated with the school they attend. Despite any high-sounding ideals, they are pursuing the same strategy any other college student seeks.... making themselves qualified to attain a successful position within a desired organization.

 

[amadeus]

Well, I wish I could say that about half did seem genuinely concerned, but then roughly half could not seem to find ten minutes more to even talk to me after I revealed my agenda. I was wearing suits then, drove a nice car, etc. but it was uniformly the more affluent pastors who had no time too

I have never gone around asking the questions you apparently were asking but I visited many and usually had a better response from the small or "hole in the wall" church groups than from larger "better" organized groups. [This period of visiting ended for me more than 15 years ago.]

In the past few months now being loose from any real connection with one assembly, I have begun visiting places again. Some of them like the idea of getting an old man to attend their services regularly and treated me well. However the number of "hole in the wall" church groups has seemingly diminished from what it once was or perhaps my perspective has changed over the intervening years.

 

[amadeus]

Most Divinity students have a goal in mind of being hired by a church affiliated with the school they attend. Despite any high-sounding ideals, they are pursuing the same strategy any other college student seeks.... making themselves qualified to attain a successful position within a desired organization.

How many of them, I wonder, would have a clear and sincere testimony of God calling them to the ministry?

 

[Stranger]

is it bc we all seek immortality, Death More Abundantly, so single mindedly?
I used to interview pastors, and I found that even among those who had figured it out, to a man they stated that they could never preach it in their "church."

Why are you so ignorant of Scripture? You have to know Scripture first to be able to claim pastors are ignorant of Scripture.

Stranger

 

[bbyrd009]

Why are you so ignorant of Scripture? You have to know Scripture first to be able to claim pastors are ignorant of Scripture.

Stranger

Oh, I was mostly piqued in the moment I guess, I know better than to go looking for that there anyway. I was reminded last night that 2 in 100 is actually pretty amazing, the ratio should be worse than 2 in a million but it's better?

But since I have your attention you might give me your def of Eternal, if you like :)
have a nice day Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Oh, I was mostly piqued in the moment I guess, I know better than to go looking for that there anyway. I was reminded last night that 2 in 100 is actually pretty amazing, the ratio should be worse than 2 in a million but it's better?

But since I have your attention you might give me your def of Eternal, if you like :)
have a nice day Stranger

Well, how can one as ignorant in, and denying much in the Scriptures as yourself, question the knowledge of others in the Scriptures. You better stick to the koran.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

is it bc we all seek immortality, Death More Abundantly, so single mindedly?
I used to interview pastors, and I found that even among those who had figured it out, to a man they stated that they could never preach it in their "church."

Hi,

You pose a very good question: Why are our ordained pastors so ignorant of Scripture?

My spouse's father built his own church (literally) and started preaching his version of Scripture. I never met him. He passed before we were married.

At the church my spouse and I used to go to the assistant pastor disagreed with some of the teachings (interpretation of Scripture) of the head pastor. Sooooo the assistant pastor started his own church. Which one was truly ignorant of Scripture? They both accused the other.

Who decides if who is ignorant of Scripture? What criteria is used?

Love the subject.....thank you.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

Um, roughly half of the pastors I talked to easily admitted that no one goes to heaven, Eternal is not Immortal, etc, even that Bible is not Word. I will confess that maybe 2 of the hundred or so had a plan to eventually bring their congregations to the knowledge, and seemed to be aware of the eventual consequences. This was like 30 years ago though, I imagine things have changed

Why were you interviewing so many pastors?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

And then thank God for the exceptions? That is those who refuse to be indoctrinated [brainwashed?]!

Hi Amadeus,

Can a person brainwash themselves into believing they know how to properly interpret Scripture so that they come to the truth of Scripture?

Curious Mary